# Hello -Is this site being bias ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [July 26, 2009, 6:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004 "2009-07-26T06:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![iceprincess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e495f1/32.png) [@iceprincess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/iceprincess)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 6:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/1 "2009-07-26T06:32:19Z")
Hello there im from S.E.Asia…im a female 25 this year and just got to know about [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/)…it sounds goood. and would really like to try it. but once i google it i became confused…there are 1001 sites leading to 1001 stories..i really dont know which one to try… then i found this site…i was so happy that it is actually a forum which means it is independant. however later i found that it connected to [Smartmones.com](http://Smartmones.com)…?? isnt it a bit bias??? (sorry) Is smartmones product really work compare to other products ??if it really works…well hey!!! im gonna buy it with the $25. at the same time could anybody here help me …this is a little bit about myself…i need a product or probably any help there is to help me… i dont have many friends and no best friends. people tend to hate me even before knowing me.but then again it is probably im quite blunt and dont really care about my appearance… it was only when i was 24 when i have my first boyfriend. i really dont know why he is still with me (as many people around him thinks that he shouldnt) but i am really greatfull to have him and would really hope i could be with him forever. I dont have confident and would always think that im ugly…its a natural thing for me. i show the world that i dont care if im ugly and happy with myself…but the truth is im not and would really like to change. i want to be loved…i want to have lots of friends. i want to have a good social life..i want to have a good career and be trusted by many. P/s :one more thing…would really like to get a product that can helps in one bottle. as i dont think so i can afford for now …and i dont really like strong scent…it will make me puke!! ---
**Author:** ![ray\_b](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ray_b/32/171_2.png) [@ray\_b](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ray_b)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 6:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/2 "2009-07-26T06:49:27Z")
Hi Iceprincess; I share your concerns but I have done a lot of reading here and found many independent users. You made a comment in your introduction that “people tend to hate me even before knowing me.” and I have experienced similar problems. I hope that [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) give you the confidence that you deserve. ---
**Author:** ![iceprincess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e495f1/32.png) [@iceprincess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/iceprincess)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 7:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/3 "2009-07-26T07:02:37Z")
> [@ray\_b](#): > > Hi Iceprincess; > > I share your concerns but I have done a lot of reading here and found many independent users. You made a comment in your introduction that “people tend to hate me even before knowing me.” and I have experienced similar problems. I hope that pheromones give you the confidence that you deserve. thank you so much ray\_b. so sweet of you…i really hope it works for you too!!! would like to add here…from where i am from…people tend to use aura drops. bought it but nothing happen. what a waste!!! i have high hope in this kind thing…the alternative way to healing i think. i really want to be liked… ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 7:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/4 "2009-07-26T07:18:17Z")
HI iceprincess, Welcome to the forum. I am also from SE Asia. You are right, this forum belongs to Androtics but the posts here are by real users beside a few moderators around. To have a good social life, try the [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/). IO will open up people and make them want to talk to you. People will feel you are approachable. It makes you the center of attraction too. IH will make them closer to you. They will talk to you more personal and deeper. Shine will make you and the people around you in good mood. It is a feel-good phero. It can also boost confident too. As for your bf, I suggest you try Instant Sexiness. It can make him feel you are attractive and sexy. IS A is more towards tougher and dominant vibe. IS B more towards feminie and softer vibe. Try them. GOod luck ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 7:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/5 "2009-07-26T07:27:24Z")
Hello, welcome to the forum. I’m glad you’re giving us a chance, I was also new to this site and their pheromones not too long ago but now I love this place and am still here for a reason (because I know they help.) You can even search for my posts and see my first intro thread I also posted a year ago, so I was once a new curious user as yourself. Now even though pheromones do work, I highly suggest you also try to get in the right mindset. It sounds like you’re pretty negative about yourself, it’s good though that you don’t care what people say about you but you should think highly of yourself. Pheromones will really help you 100% better if you’re at the right mindset, as pheromones _need_ your help to work to the best of their ability. So with that said, I may suggest IS A or IS B depending on how you want to come off as. IS A gives you more of a confident sexy vibe, while IS B gives you more of a playful sexy vibe. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) will really help with your confidence while also making you feel good, and a little IO won’t hurt to help you in your social situations. Hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![iceprincess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e495f1/32.png) [@iceprincess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/iceprincess)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 7:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/6 "2009-07-26T07:56:07Z")
thank you so much to both of you !!! i was browsing and i can only see [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) for Men…really am interested in that product however its for men only??? another thing if i would like to get more bottles as suggested …can i spray on together at the same time..at the same spot?? i realised that we can add on strengh… if i choose not to add will that makes it less powerful?? ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 8:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/7 "2009-07-26T08:00:31Z")
Yes, IS for men can also be used for women. It’s basically the same molecule for both genders. And as far as strength goes, you don’t have to. All you can do is just apply more to equal the double strength, but you’ll run out of product faster that way. So in a way even though it’s more expensive for double strength in a way it’ll save you more money in the end. > [@iceprincess](#): > > thank you so much to both of you !!! > > i was browsing and i can only see Instant Shine for Men…really am interested in that product however its for men only??? > > another thing if i would like to get more bottles as suggested …can i spray on together at the same time..at the same spot?? > > i realised that we can add on strengh… if i choose not to add will that makes it less powerful?? ---
**Author:** ![AlexanderG](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alexanderg/32/891_2.png) [@AlexanderG](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AlexanderG)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 8:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/8 "2009-07-26T08:09:55Z")
Welcome iceprincess - be sure to hang out in the official womens forum - you will learn a lot from the ladies in there 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 12:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/9 "2009-07-26T12:36:26Z")
Hi Iceprincess: Pheromones won’t make up for a lack of social skills. Regarding your comment “people hate me before getting to know me” – you need to figure out if you are indeed making poor first impressions on people (and if so correct it) or if you just perceive the situation to be so (and again, correct the underlying source). However, if you are interested in developing more social skills that will allow you to interact with people, pheros can help a little. The instant openness, instant shine and [instant sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) are all good basic products to try first. But to me it sounds like if you just continue with your current behavior and attitude but expect pheros to make you popular, you are just setting yourself up for a big disappointment. ---
**Author:** ![iceprincess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e495f1/32.png) [@iceprincess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/iceprincess)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 8:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/10 "2009-07-27T08:51:44Z")
thanks…will keep tat in mind…was wondering y i havent got my gift cert…?? ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 8:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/11 "2009-07-27T08:56:22Z")
You’ll get it soon, the moderators can only do so much in so little time with having to welcome the new members and give them their GC’s as well, and also other duties this place requires (plus time for their personal life) makes it take just a tiny bit to get to each new member but you will get it. At the moment if I’m not mistaken we just have two mods taking care of the intro section so it’s kind of hard for them to get to you ASAP. However, they do. 🙂 > [@iceprincess](#): > > thanks…will keep tat in mind…was wondering y i havent got my gift cert…?? ---
**Author:** ![moonwhisper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/moonwhisper/32/1735_2.png) [@moonwhisper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/moonwhisper)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 5:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/12 "2009-07-27T17:16:37Z")
Keep in mind the weekend, as well. That will affect how long it takes for the mods to get to you. Nobody should work _all_ the time. About whether this site is biased, well that may or may not be true. I would assume the vast majority of users registered on this forum are customers of Androtics. So we would likely be more voluble about the products and more complimentary than non customers. But likewise, that also gives us qualifications that non-users don’t have. I think you’re getting a good cross-section of opinions. When people come here and state their doubts, or the fact that they’re not getting the results they were looking for, no one censors that. Instead, we rally together to figure out what’s gone wrong, and how to help the situation be the best it can become. Many users are very experienced and can help newbies figure out the correct dosage, application point, etc to get the results they want. Sometimes critical comments are made, but they are often the product of too little knowledge and experience. I have personally been more than satisfied with the results I’ve gotten from Androtics pheromones. In some cases I’ve been overwhelmed (in a good way). You can read my experiences here if you wish. [Observations and Reactions](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/observations-and-reactions/28955) The best way to know for yourself is to try it out. Go here [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934)and make sure you’ve satisfied all the requirements. Then a mod will issue you a GC. You’ll be able to try out at least two products at virtually no cost to you. Then see what you think. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/13 "2009-07-27T23:00:44Z")
> [@iceprincess](#): > > thanks…will keep tat in mind…was wondering y i havent got my gift cert…?? Hi there iceprincess and welcome to PheroTalk forum. Yes this forum is owned and operated by Androtics Direct but the members of the forum are pretty much free to say whatever opinion they might have. There are some guidelines in place to protect Androtics Direct, but for the most part you can think of the forum like a fun party. With that said I welcome you here and hope you find that we are a big family and everyone is willing to help. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) just like IO and IH are unisex products and can be worn by either a man or a woman. I think something like Ishine would be very beneficial to helping those around you see you in a more happy way, but I also agree that you need to figure out the core reason behind the poor first-judgment. Most likely its easily fixable. I didn’t send out the gift certificate this weekend because I don’t work on the weekend, but I am sending it out in a little while to your email. ---
**Author:** ![iceprincess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e495f1/32.png) [@iceprincess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/iceprincess)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 3:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/14 "2009-07-28T03:21:28Z")
> [@moonwhisper](#): > > Keep in mind the weekend, as well. That will affect how long it takes for the mods to get to you. Nobody should work _all_ the time. > > About whether this site is biased, well that may or may not be true. I would assume the vast majority of users registered on this forum are customers of Androtics. So we would likely be more voluble about the products and more complimentary than non customers. But likewise, that also gives us qualifications that non-users don’t have. I think you’re getting a good cross-section of opinions. > > When people come here and state their doubts, or the fact that they’re not getting the results they were looking for, no one censors that. Instead, we rally together to figure out what’s gone wrong, and how to help the situation be the best it can become. Many users are very experienced and can help newbies figure out the correct dosage, application point, etc to get the results they want. Sometimes critical comments are made, but they are often the product of too little knowledge and experience. > > I have personally been more than satisfied with the results I’ve gotten from Androtics pheromones. In some cases I’ve been overwhelmed (in a good way). You can read my experiences here if you wish. [Observations and Reactions](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/observations-and-reactions/28955) > > The best way to know for yourself is to try it out. Go here [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934)and make sure you’ve satisfied all the requirements. Then a mod will issue you a GC. You’ll be able to try out at least two products at virtually no cost to you. Then see what you think. thanks !!! n thank u steve!! u said tat i can try to product at about no cost at all??? hmmm i tot of buying the small to-go pack…but im afraid i cant as i can only use it for normal size product..and most of the product are way more than $25…will top up though. another q bfore i purchase…u guys sure sure i need just instant shine…???or there are other product suits me better…?? tq ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/15 "2009-07-28T16:15:58Z")
To go size of everything I mentioned is available. You must be looking in the wrong place: [Pheromones To Go ™ (Portable / Travel Size) :: Androtics Direct](https://a314.com/) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SCoupe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scoupe/32/2101_2.png) [@SCoupe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SCoupe)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/16 "2009-07-30T01:20:53Z")
Princess . . . . can I add my .02 ? IMO - A change in attitude is appropriate and absolutely necessary. Re-read your self description and you will probably be able to answer your own questions. 1st things 1st by line item : > [@iceprincess](#): > > im from S.E.Asia…im a female 25 this year and just got to know about pheromone…it sounds goood. and would really like to try it. but once i google it i became confused…there are 1001 sites leading to 1001 stories..i really dont know which one to try… try to get yourself some mx138 right off the bat. I know that strategy isn’t recommended for noobs but damn girl you gotta find a way to see the good parts of yourself. That one should help in that department. Look for the self effects and go with it. If it cheers you up a little - which I think it will - try to notice how much more relaxed and fun you are. > > then i found this site…i was so happy that it is actually a forum which means it is independant. however later i found that it connected to [Smartmones.com](http://Smartmones.com)…?? isnt it a bit bias??? (sorry) There is no need to apologize. As a matter of fact, you will find quite a few posts from folks who say they’ve had no luck from using the products at all + there are quite a few comments about the benefit of competitor’s products. > > at the same time could anybody here help me …this is a little bit about myself…i need a product or probably any help there is to help me… > > i dont have many friends and no best friends. people tend to hate me even before knowing me.but then again it is probably im quite blunt and dont really care about my appearance… Choose socials like the mx138 I mentioned - Instant Shine or Instant Openness in an effort to try to be not only more friendly with yourself but others for sure. + you have got to care about your appearance. You are where it starts - over time others will follow you just have to help them along a lil. > > it was only when i was 24 when i have my first boyfriend. i really dont know why he is still with me (as many people around him thinks that he shouldnt) but i am really greatfull to have him and would really hope i could be with him forever. > > I dont have confident and would always think that im ugly…its a natural thing for me. i show the world that i dont care if im ugly and happy with myself … but the truth is im not and would really like to change. NOW you are getting somewhere. As expected, what you’re frontin isn’t the REAL you. So, as the song goes _(mildly modified)_ change your mind and your azz will follow. Another way to look @ it is change your look, appreciate it change your attitude about yourself slowly but surely and your MIND will follow.. > > i want to be loved…i want to have lots of friends. i want to have a good social life..i want to have a good career and be trusted by many. > > P/s :one more thing…would really like to get a product that can helps in one bottle. as i dont think so i can afford for now …and i dont really like strong scent…it will make me puke!! Nope - you aren’t going to find a miracle in a single bottle. It doesn’t exist. You are a process, so try the MX or read thru other recommendations & try those. I CAN tell you where to find the single ‘product’ that will start all this tho. _Come a little closer - gonna whisper in your ear so not everyone can hear . . . . . . . ._ find a mirror. There’s the miracle product you seek. ---
**Author:** ![iceprincess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e495f1/32.png) [@iceprincess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/iceprincess)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2010, 7:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/17 "2010-12-04T07:53:28Z")
> [@SCoupe](#): > > Princess . . . . can I add my .02 ? > > IMO - A change in attitude is appropriate and absolutely necessary. > Re-read your self description and you will probably be able to answer your own questions. > > 1st things 1st by line item : > > Nope - you aren’t going to find a miracle in a single bottle. It doesn’t exist. You are a process, so try the MX or read thru other recommendations & try those. I CAN tell you where to find the single ‘product’ that will start all this tho. _Come a little closer - gonna whisper in your ear so not everyone can hear . . . . . . . ._ > find a mirror. There’s the miracle product you seek. hi ALL… I have not visited the forum for ages… until my friend mistakenly click on the favorite! Haha.. i didnt even read SCoupe’s msg for me… if only i read this a year ago, i wouldnt be at place where I am now. work sucks ,love life sucks… im ugly as before… and IM FAT! never feel so low than I am now. i think it is about time for me to buy some some .. need to read and research again what i need… anyway its good to see you all again. love always… ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2010, 10:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-is-this-site-being-bias/31004/18 "2010-12-04T10:44:24Z")
> [@](#): > > Haha.. i didnt even read SCoupe’s msg for me… if only i read this a year ago, i wouldnt be at place where I am now. work sucks ,love life sucks… im ugly as before… and IM FAT! I am glad you decided to try pheromones. I am sure if you cant find your GC that Steve sent you they will look it up for you so give the office a call or click on \>\>\>\> ticket and they will help you out. If you need any help we are all here to support you. I know your a little skeptical because this forum is hooked to the smartmones store but believe me the people here are only bias because the pheromones are that good. We tried them all and most of us prefer smartmones. You will come across those who like other products as well. You will come across people who have no luck with mones at all. But everyone is real and we all try to help each other improve our lives. That being said… SCoupe gave you some good advice back then but you didnt hear it. Things will only get better when you love you. Your concentrating only on what is wrong and in doing so your missing all that is right. There are things that are right because its scientific law of polarity. This law states there is no bad without good. One can not exist without the other even in you. Work sucks… You can always change your work but at least you have a job right now. A lot of people dont and wish they had a sucky job to go to. Love life sucks… maybe right now but that doesn’t mean it will forever. People tend to love people who love them themselves. I’m Ugly… To who ??? Ugly is just a perception. What is ugly to you may be beautiful to someone else. I dont think Brad Pitt or Paris Hilton are “good looking” in appearance. Seriously I really dont but the key thing here is they think they are and that is why other people think it. Beauty comes from the inside and you project it outward. What are you projecting by saying your ugly ? I’m Fat… That’s actually the easy one to fix. You can lose weight. Just love yourself enough to do it. Change the way your think and you will change the way you are. Nothing outside of you can do that for you. Start by saying this… I am a intelligent beautiful person with unlimited potential. Keep saying it. Now tell me something good about you. 😉 Tisha