# Hello - just divorced and need some help! **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [June 6, 2009, 9:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638 "2009-06-06T09:40:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bill123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7993a0/32.png) [@bill123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bill123)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2009, 9:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/1 "2009-06-06T09:40:27Z")
Hi, Wanted to introduce myself. I’m a 39-year-old male from the UK. Got divorced last year after a 10-year relationship, during which my ex wife went off me sexually. Since then I have been out with a 25-year-old hottie (a serious drop-dead 9+) who suddenly left me for someone else after a few months. I had a fling with a 34-year-old married woman for a week, and went out with a 33-year-old for two months (I ended that because she was too clingy). In the last few months I have had no action at all, but have been getting a ton of attention from women who all fall into the same category: they’re in their 20s, they have some emotional problems, and they’re involved with someone else - four of them so far. Because of their involvement with others, I have stopped pushing things and therefore have stopped “closing” with any of these girls, beyond a few kisses. I’m starting to feel inhibited around women, especially in the light of the years of rejection from my ex. So I’m looking for a boost, in terms of my self esteem, and the confidence to make the moves. Think [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) might help… Do you ship to the UK? Physically, I look about 5 or 6 years younger than I am; I do a lot of walking and cycling so while I’m not built, I’m relatively fit though could lose about 7 lbs; I’m 5’5" - all but one of the women I’ve been with in the last twelve years towered over me. I’m taking a single girl for a date next week, and am getting nervy about it, which isn’t a good start. Too late to get any products from here, though there’s a store near me that sells Climax X Factor, but I gather that might not contain any pheromones. Advice appreciated! ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2009, 9:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/2 "2009-06-06T09:59:02Z")
Hi bill, Welcome to the forum. Sorry to hear about your divorce. It is not too late to get some pheromones from Androtics as it will arrived at UK in 3 or 4 days. I would recommend AMMO and SHine. AMMO will get the girl attracted to you. It is well buffered and can be used at almost all social occasions. Shine is to give you the confident. While it boosts confidence, it will lighten your mood too. Good luck ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2009, 10:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/3 "2009-06-06T10:51:00Z")
Hello and welcome to the forum. You need to look up posts by Diamond. He also has a journal. He is about your age - a little younger, lives in te UK and has been throguh a similar experience. After that the advice JB gave you is pretty good. ammo and Ishine are two great products. After that I would add in IO. It will help with the conversations. You may still have toinitiate and be your witty self, but the alpha nols will help get the ladies talking. Look up Diamond, do a little reading, and ask any questions. We are happy to help. ---
**Author:** ![bill123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7993a0/32.png) [@bill123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bill123)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2009, 11:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/4 "2009-06-06T11:18:01Z")
Thanks for the welcome! The divorce was all for the best, to be honest. Now I want to have some fun! This will make you laugh - earlier I went to that store and bought a bottle of Climax X Factor. I just sprayed some on myself. It’s pretty damn sickly. But within ten seconds of spraying, my cat ran over to me, started meowing, jumped up on my lap and sniffed the spray intently. She now won’t leave my side - following me wherever I go, purring. So I guess there might be something in it. And in fact, despite an earlier report on the forum saying it has no pheromones in it, the bottle I have lists androstadienone on the ingredients. I will have to wait and see what effect it has on my (female) roomie when she gets home… If I order products, they won’t be here soon enough for my date, sadly. Still interested in having a try though. Question: when the products ship, do they do so under plain cover? ---
**Author:** ![AlexanderG](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alexanderg/32/891_2.png) [@AlexanderG](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AlexanderG)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2009, 11:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/5 "2009-06-06T11:18:48Z")
Hey Bill, I agree Diamonds threads are great. Check out his journal. One of the best things about this forum is there are guys (and girls) from all over the world that experience similar issues and share them here, along with their gains from using pheromones. Also, yes, the DHL post is very discrete, nobody will know what you have had delivered. To get started, I suggest you have a good read of [The Mens Guide](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mens-pheromone-guide-revised-6-15/12168)and pay close attention to Ammo, Instant Shine, [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) - great starter products for lads in your situation. Good luck and be sure to return and let us know about your results 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/6 "2009-06-08T18:41:08Z")
Welcome to Pherotalk Bill123! We certainly do ship the the UK, we have a great deal of UK clients. 🙂 Diamond, who was mentioned to you is sweetheart full of experiences that can assist you with your situation and other areas of your life. A314 is a favourite among the men. This product is a trust and respect pheromones that will give you the confidence boost you need. Remember when using this pheromone you have to let the shy personality of you take a back seat to see some great results. Ammunition is sexually arousing to women but it is subtle so you can use it daily. If you want to come on stronger and get the point across I will suggest Turn up the Heat. Instant Honesty allows for a deeper level of community with others and Instant shine is the feel good pheromone that make you and those around you feel awesomely good. [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) is not in stock at the moment. The forum is a great place to keep updating yourself on when products like these will be back in stock. **Your GC is on it’s way!** ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 7:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/7 "2009-06-08T19:28:47Z")
Who remembers the film Beetlejuice. My name was mentioned 3 times and up I pop! Hi Bill, welcome to the madhouse, as the guys have said, I’m in the same boat as you, with the same reasons for the divorce. Anything I can do to help from the phero side, I will. Having said that, you’ve already been given some great advice. Androstedienone ( in the climax) is the base ingredient for IFM, one of the best things Androtics have ever made, unfortunately A1 has been shown to cause mild depressive effects in men so keep an eye out for it. As a result AD aren’t currently selling IFM, those of us who have it are hoarding it for emergencies. You won’t find anything worth using in the shops or on ebay, save your money and order from here. If you’re that desperate for some products before your date, drop me a PM with your address and we’ll sort something out through Royal Mail. In the meantime, the products are sent under plain DHL package, you have to sign for them and you won’t be sorry you came here. Have fun! Diamond ---
**Author:** ![bill123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7993a0/32.png) [@bill123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bill123)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 10:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/8 "2009-06-09T22:13:48Z")
Hiya, and thanks for the info - and especially the offer of your own stash, Diamond! The date is tomorrow - she seems pretty keen on text. Alas, nothing will arrive before then so I’ll have to work on my charm and calm the nerves. I’ve ordered Ammo, Instant Shine, and [Turn Up the Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/). I have a healthy (I think) skepticism about the whole thing, but am prepared to lay down £100 to prove it one way or the other… But this other chick I’ve had the hots for for years is having a party on Friday, and has invited me to stay the night - and to my surprise emailed today to say that there aren’t any other beds free, so I can sleep with her in her bed. I joked back “that’s fine as long as you don’t try anything”. I’m wondering if, if it arrives in time, a drop or two of Turn Up The Heat might make that joke into a self-fulfilling prophecy..? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![moonwhisper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/moonwhisper/32/1735_2.png) [@moonwhisper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/moonwhisper)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/9 "2009-06-10T03:50:26Z")
Hi Bill and welcome. Now for the life of me I’m not sure why you’re here. The girl you’ve been eyeing for years has just invited you to spend the night, in her bed…why do you need pheromones again?? 🙄 This is a great community, full of people who are transparent and honest about their experiences, and Androtics is great too. The stuff they make really works, and works well. Everyone has given you great advice about products, so I just wanted to say welcome. ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 12:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/10 "2009-06-10T12:38:15Z")
> [@bill123](#): > > Hiya, and thanks for the info - and especially the offer of your own stash, Diamond! > > The date is tomorrow - she seems pretty keen on text. Alas, nothing will arrive before then so I’ll have to work on my charm and calm the nerves. > > I’ve ordered Ammo, Instant Shine, and Turn Up the Heat. I have a healthy (I think) skepticism about the whole thing, but am prepared to lay down £100 to prove it one way or the other… > > But this other chick I’ve had the hots for for years is having a party on Friday, and has invited me to stay the night - and to my surprise emailed today to say that there aren’t any other beds free, so I can sleep with her in her bed. I joked back “that’s fine as long as you don’t try anything”. I’m wondering if, if it arrives in time, a drop or two of Turn Up The Heat might make that joke into a self-fulfilling prophecy..? 😉 Ha ha, not sure you need assistance here. TUTH is awesome, but the advice is always the same, build trust and rapport with the socials, then go for the jugular with the TUTH, it worked a treat for me last night at my first attempt to get back on the horse, there have also been recent reports from Lowtek where he did the same thing and scored a Brazilian swimwear model and her friend! Go get them, I’m off to the beach! ---
**Author:** ![bill123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7993a0/32.png) [@bill123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bill123)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/11 "2009-06-10T22:57:53Z")
No, I really do need help. So I went out with the girl, and she was cute and funny and interesting, and everything seemed fine, and we started talking about sexual topics, which is always a good sign - but I don’t know what happened but after about two hours her body language changed for the worse. I took her to another bar and just after we’d finished our first drink she decided it was time to leave - and she jumped on the first available bus. I am fairly certain it’s that I am so “polite” (read underconfident) that I never push anything; I didn’t feel able to try anything on, though I wanted to. I really do need help and I hope the pheromones can provide it, even if they just provide a placebo. Oh, and the girl who invited me to stay in her bed - that’s the bed she shares with her boyfriend. If she’s intimating anything at all with me, then she’d be #5 on the list of girls in their 20s with boyfriends, who are coming on to me in an ambiguous fashion, in the past year. Ridiculous. Well done for last night, Diamond! ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 11:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/12 "2009-06-10T23:13:13Z")
Sounds to me that what you need is a bit of confidence and dare I say arrogance. There’s a principle that many PUAs use where they just assume that the answer is yes, that then changes their whole body language, confidence etc. ;Now, if this girl has offered to share the bed with you and her boyfriend, are you sure she isn’t up for some serious fun, don’t discount the possibility, that’s negative thinking 😉 Phero wise, A314, definitely TUTH for closing, ammo, shine and IH for rapport building. Have a look at my journal entry for last night and you will see how easy it can be, my first date in 6 years. I’ve PM’d you a link that may be of some use. ---
**Author:** ![bill123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7993a0/32.png) [@bill123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bill123)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 11:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/13 "2009-06-10T23:23:15Z")
Thanks for the PM Diamond. I forgot to mention that the girl’s boyfriend is away for the night. ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 11:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/14 "2009-06-10T23:34:03Z")
> [@bill123](#): > > Thanks for the PM Diamond. > > I forgot to mention that the girl’s boyfriend is away for the night. So, she’s invited you to share her bed and told you that her boyfriend is away for the night, I say push your luck. If you aren’t living on the edge, you’re taking up too much space 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bill123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7993a0/32.png) [@bill123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bill123)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/15 "2009-06-11T00:00:39Z")
OK so the date has been texting me since she got home. I said next time I’d cook her a meal and she responded positively (she knows I’m a good cook) - she said she wants me to make her egg and chips, so I said only if I make it with pate de foie gras and truffles. I just remembered that my date told me that there was this 20-year-old at work who had a crush on me and “our names were linked”. Well I liked the 20-year-old, and thought she was hot, but never considered she liked me in the least. She invited me to her 21st party, and I went, and that night she asked how old I was and I said “I’m old enough to be your dad” and she never spoke to me again. I think, again, I might have screwed up my chances by not realising a woman was attracted to me. Man, do I need help. ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/16 "2009-06-11T00:08:56Z")
text the date, tell her that you felt you needed to be a gentleman the first time and that the second time will be a different matter! That starts her mindset towards where you want her to be. You’ve said that you will cook for her, she has shown that she is more than willing to ‘come back to your place’ Grab some mones and make sure you’ve got plenty of condoms, you’re going to need them. ---
**Author:** ![CD1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/35a633/32.png) [@CD1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CD1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/17 "2009-06-11T00:12:04Z")
I am looking for something to increase our love life. I would love it if my wife was just a little clingy. She is going through menopause and I don’t know how patient I can be. It’s going on 4 years now and she won’t take anything for it because she’s afraid of the treatments. I’ve heard _ **"I’m** _ _ **Hot, I’m Cold, I’m Too Tired, I’m in Pain, I’m to Fat, Don’t Touch Me. You don’t understand, I have no desire to have sex with you"** _ so many times I my self am becoming bitter and I know that won’t help. She need all the love and understanding she can get and I doing my best. I have tried _ **Turn up the Heat, Female Majic and Honesty** _ to no avail. I could understand it if I were butt ugly and smelt like an old goat but that’s not the case. I am fit, just finished my third time around with P90X and I love dancing, especially salsa. I have my own thriving business and I’m easy to look at. In fact I have women 20 years younger eyeing me but I can hardly get my wife to give me the time of day. She says she loves me but not in love with me and for now I’ll have to live with that until she changes. I want something to _ **turn her on** because I’m in need of some, if you know what I mean. Going outside of the marriage is not an option. That’s it for now. Do you think_ [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/)\*\* will help? ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/18 "2009-06-11T00:23:03Z")
CD1, You would get more responses if you posted this as a new thread up in the new users introduction area. However, have a search for bosshank and find his married guys thread, then, for the other extreme, look at my journal. ---
**Author:** ![bill123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7993a0/32.png) [@bill123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bill123)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/19 "2009-06-11T23:32:54Z")
Wow, the products arrived today - I can’t believe how fast the order was. Monday night order, Thursday AM delivery - to the UK. DHL rock, and fast processing time at source too. And a freebie to-go of Instant Honesty (and a teeny Toblerone!) - nice touches. So at first I put on one spray of Instant Shine. It didn’t really affect me in the way people have led me to belive it would from this forum. I then tried one of Ammo, and didn’t feel anything either, though about 10 minutes later, I did think I might have been sitting up straighter. The sprays were more perfumed than I’d like - a bit cheap smelling (I normally wear Giorgio Armani Attitude). My roomie came home just after I’d put them on and started blowing her nose and her eyes welled up. I said “did that just happen when you walked in the door?” and she said yes. So I blamed the cat. Then I sprayed Armani over the top of it. I was seriously worried that I smelled like a whore’s handbag. In fact, reading the guys here who report spraying 8 sprays of X and 6 of Y, surely you must smell incredibly strongly of perfume products, regardless of the pheromones?! Or are they the “raw” stuff? Anyway, went to a bar to meet an old friend, and my ex wife. After an hour in the bar, my ex suddenly said “are you wearing a new aftershave?” and I said “yes”. She asked what it was and I hadn’t prepared an answer, so lamely said “I can’t remember” and may have blushed, thinking shit, my secret’s outed already. But she then said “it smells amazing”, then grabbed me and sniffed my neck really intently. “That’s really, really lovely”. Got home and thought I’d try [Turn Up the Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) just for the hell of it. First thing I’ll say about this - compared to the other two, it is a really great smell, much more like an expensive aftershave. I hugged my roomie to see what kind of effect there might be, but there wasn’t any difference to her behaviour - though no more sniffing and sneezing. But then my cat started acting weird. She came over to me, and suddenly sprayed musk all over the floor. She never does this. So I looked it up, and apparently female cat spraying is an indication of sexual availability. So at least if I don’t have any success with women with this stuff, my cat can get off on it - and ruin my furnishings at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-just-divorced-and-need-some-help/29638/20 "2009-06-11T23:51:19Z")
Bill, you are supposed to test one product at a time, starting with one spray and working up. Don’t forget, when we talk about 6 or 8 sprays, a lot of the time, we are using the double or quadruple strength bottles. I use IHx4 and double ammo, hence even with a mix of 8 Honesty and 4 ammo, I’m actually only spraying 3 times. So you got no self effect from the shine, you didn’t even feel the urge to crack a smile, giggle or laugh? Test two sprays tomorrow, then 3 and so on, when you get to sweetspot, you’ll know it.