# Hello: Kind of a long post...:D **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [July 22, 2011, 5:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-kind-of-a-long-post-d/51350 "2011-07-22T05:25:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![EVMDisciple](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f04885/32.png) [@EVMDisciple](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EVMDisciple)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 5:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-kind-of-a-long-post-d/51350/1 "2011-07-22T05:25:08Z")
\*\*Its the 21st but I became a member on the 10th I think so I dont know if Im still a “new” member but here goes, plus its my first post. "When introducing yourself please include: a) Your age, or general range b) Sex (male, female), c) General location (don’t worry, nobody wants to stalk you), and d) Most importantly, tell us a bit about yourself, your personality, why you’re here, and what you hope [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) will do for you.?" –SteveO 22 Male Mpls, MN Hello all, I attend a community college so I suppose thats where my target range is in regards to ideal pheromonal influence. Im an African American born and raised in the Midwest, 6 feet, not particularly muscular probably 150-160 Ibs, Im not sure. Im in the process of developing a more muscular body…well when I obtain the motivation to continue on a daily basis, at the moment Im settling for 10 pushups day and night lol. My physique is one of my many insecurities, well now that I think about it, its consciously one of two: my size and my less than perfect teeth, gapped, not sure if its genetic among African Americans but when I see another person with this condition 9x out of 10 its one of us. Personality wise Im open and friendly with my current and future social circle, my approach anxiety comes not from talking to people in general its from talking to strangers(particularly women). A person rarely feels anxious or at least I dont when it comes to being in a classroom with people for months at a time so Im more comfortable to socialize in that setting, same environment at school though but a woman is sitting by herself in the cafeteria and Im stuck in my tracks speechless. From the above I suppose you can reason that interpersonal relationships from the opposite sex is the primary reason why Im on a site such as this but general socialization with both genders is a bonus as well. Moreso the first instance since thats more difficult than the second considering that Im taking steps to become more sociable in general. Im aware of the seduction community so their advice is useful to me as well, although I havent used the methods to gear things to a more sexual nature, Im making more friends so thats good. My involvement in the seduction community began in '07, senior year of high school(well technically '04, freshman or sophomore I think, unbeknowst to me when I signed up for the newsletter of [SoSuave.com](http://SoSuave.com)) when I saw VH1’s The pickup artist. Thats where my login name came from: Erik Von Markovik. I sort of have an bizarre admiration for Mystery to the extent that if I believed the Messiah has or will return in a human body…you catch my drift lol. I bought his book, read and re-read and to this day its still one of my most prized possessions lol, its practically my bible, no dust no wear or tear, perfect condition , sad I know. I even read The Game by Neil Strauss, didnt care much for it since its principally about the SC and Im not that involved in it. For a time I left the SC alone and went about my business but never forgetting about Mystery Method. During my absence Ive told a few people of the community but because of my hesitance, or laziness, Ive heard it both ways, theyve surpassed me in their skills with women while Im still in the same situation while I was in high school. In Aug of '09 the thought of SC occurred to me once again and I googled Mystery and came across FastSeduction(Even though the site was a reference in The Game but I didnt acknowledge any references.) Like this site I read alot of posts before joining, finally did but lost interest a few months later, although occasionally Ill read a post or two, mostly the LRs(Lay Reports) The one thing I did take from FS was Mysterys archive of course plus 60 years of challenge’s “Anti-Manifesto” and Vin DiCarlos escalation ladder. Id say that of all methods Ive used, the AM and the EL is what I used the most, primarily because 60 promotes being silent and letting the woman qualify herself and build sexual tension with your body language and VinD promotes kino escalation; and any method that promotes not doing that much talking or for that matter anything at all I support 100% LOL. The result of these methods led to two (pseudo)sexual experiences. Theyre not 10’s or anything like that, theyre the average woman I suppose, a little extra weight on the bones Id say. One on my 19th birthday and the other during the winter of '10. The one on my 19th kind of just fell in my lap but I suppose the methods apply because she said she was attracted to me because I didnt give her much attention during our interpersonal communication class in Spring '09, to be honest with you I didnt even know she existed until I worked with her during Work Study as librarian assistants, shes Kenyan by the way if that matters. I wanted sexual experience and she was there so I took the opportunity, that was the thought in my mind but reality fared differently. Fast forward summer break of '09 while we’re in Chipotle she blatantly states she wants us to be intimate, and obviously I dont reject so we’re in her car getting busy of sorts. Kissing is always weird for me I dont know, maybe because Im inexperienced…so we do everything “normally” except actual coitus and cunnilingus but I dont ejaculate from her giving me fellatio. Well after this incident she still wants to have sex so we plan this engagement at my house a few times, all of them unsuccessful. The first time, we do everything again except coitus, I ate her out this time as well but we stop because I thought a family member was home, most likely and I think she knew it too, was because of my hesitance. Question: Was it wrong that I brushed my teeth right after eating her out while she was still in my house? I was unprepared for the taste, everytime I penetrated my tongue in her vagina I had a gag reflex. The last time we tried this similar results but a bit embarrassing and humorous. Same situation as last time but while she was giving fellatio I tried to force myself to ejaculate but ended up urinating while she was still in the act. Before this moment though we’re both nude and shes begging me to put my penis in her, but I couldnt, that moment was practically the most scared I was arguably ever in my life. Suffice to say that was the last time we did anything. My second experience didnt get far enough for anything like the above to happen but I think I could have gone through it that time, I think because she was resisting and I was persistent in the mission so to speak, this one’s Caucasian by the way if that matters. Well I came across this one on Facebook, during my era of requesting people that have many mutual friends in common, summer '10 I think. I dont use facebook as much now as I used to in the past, I was an avid fb user like addiction/obsession avid. Well we became friends and for a time she was interested in meeting me face to face, shes the type that is primarily interested in black men, but again my hesistance preventing anything from happening so I just made multitudes of excuses. Winter came and I propositioned a meet up and she agreed. She picked me up and we went to her place, she had four or five different roommates, I dont remember the exact number but they were all women and oddly enough were all extraordinarily attractive, all white as well, the one I was with was the odd one out. I dont get out much so it was kind of awkward for me and two of her neighbors joined in the festivities(A bf/gf and even she was beautiful), Im thinking there was a party brewing but since it was early it was kind of dead. We’re all watching Stepbrothers I think, my focus was on all the attractive women around me, at this time though I think a few more guys came in as well. The movies over and we head to her room. She puts on Couples Retreat and we’re watching for 10-15 min. I start making moves on her with no rejection, Im not adept at taking off bras so I tell her to do it, some hesitance at first but shes hot from the heater so she takes off her clothes and puts on sweatpants. We’re doing things but I want to speed this up so put my penis up to her mouth, she just rubs against her lips and lets go. I think I was visibly frustrated, I dont know, but I continue even still but everytime she rejects my hand from going in between her legs, eventually I prevail and shes liking it but I still couldnt take her pants off, a size to small I think and she wouldnt take them off herself. After this I give up especially considering the VinD EL says more often than not when youre fingering a girl her impulses reigns over her logic so coitus should be inevitable. After that I just rest, while still caressing her breasts and nipples, they became stiff so easily which I enjoyed thoroughly lol. Nothing after that I suppose. I told my best friend, he’s Kenyan as well, both of these stories and he jokingly concludes that I may be a latent homosexual. His rationale is that when a man sees a nude woman, he naturally/instinctively goes to consummate. He also says in the first case that I may not have been attracted to her and thats why I didnt have sex with her, I think there could be validity to both answers, Im not sure. Ive never thought about the homosexual aspect before, I am more comfortable around men but I never took that leap, hell some people including my mother suggests that he and I are a gay couple ourselves much to his chagrin, I just play it off and dont think much of it, a lesbian friend of mine once said that at most I was a bisexual. So I dont know lol. Fast forward June '11, he introduced me to a coworker/friend of his, we’ve been introduced previously but I didnt care much for him, I overestimated my abilities in the beginning, I more sociable than my bff 😛 and therefore have quite a few more friends(I dont know why but I tend to not merge social circles, then again neither does he.) but Im still quite anti-social. So we start interacting more, his friend and I, and I find out hes into the SC as well, he was never as involved as I was but he took the basic templates and applied them to his social life and now hes like a lightning bolt, he has women for every day of the week, Ive seen his “Friday” girl LOL. Well we pretty much talk pua everytime we interact and one day we kinda had a heart to heart of sorts, the reasons why we’re engaged in the pua lifestyle, me in mind and him in practice. During this discussion he tells me about ThePlayer, one of the gurus he listens to occasionally, and one of the hyperlinks on the page is about pheromones. We talk about them and he says he believes theyre legitimate but prefers to be natural with is game, I scoff at the idea that theyre legit and we continue talking pua. A few weeks after this Im bored on the computer so I look up pheromones, I read the wiki page and thought there might be some legitimacy to it since its a natural phenomenon in the animal world and we afterall are animals. Then I came across The Pheromone Authority(One of the top links on google search for pheromones I think after the wiki page)Kyle Macrannell and read his reviews on pheromones. From there I was set on Scent of Eros and Max Attraction Gold/Primal Instinct for a while, continued research and came across LoveScent. From there I read negative reviews of MAG so I shot that off my list and from continued reading and put NPA on number one of phero priority list since I hear nothing but rave reviews. I google NPA OD and NPA results and came across posts from both LoveScent and PheroTalk. From there Ive just been reading but PT has a restriction on the number of posts you can read while guest so I signed up on the 10th and Ive still been reading. So its only been a few weeks that Ive known of this site and LS and here I am on the 22nd at midnight writing this post. I dont know if this is relevant but these are the pheros Im interested in, in order of importance: NPA/Scent of Eros/NPAw/PCC/EoW/PI from LS and TUTH from PT, your “Instant” series seems so much like Scent of Eros and Im going for economy so Ill probably stick with SOE, plus I dont really know who makes your products and I have an mp3 of James V Kohl and I like what he says, and hes a scientist so that gives him quite a bit of legitimacy, no offense. Your “Ammo” and “Raw Power” seems like TUTH with its A-none pheros and TUTH appears to be more popular than the others lol. I read alot about the MX series but you guys dont sell anymore, Im perplexed? Although I am interested in the Panty Scorcher product LOL, mostly because of the badass name haha, Id buy it just for that 😛. Thank you for listening/reading, EVMDisciple \*\* ---
**Author:** ![extraballislit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/extraballislit/32/712_2.png) [@extraballislit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/extraballislit)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 5:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-kind-of-a-long-post-d/51350/2 "2011-07-22T05:28:43Z")
Hi EVMDisciple! Welcome on board. That´s a long post indeed. You talk a bout many products I have never tiried. There are some threads about NPA around the forum. It seems to be a heavy androstenone product, maybe too smuch for someone your age, but can´t tell, as i have never used it. If i were you, i would get me some IG. It is a very nice respect formula, but more chilled and cool than A314. Right now it´s out of stock, but It will be back soon. I had my first noticeable hits with IG+IS combo. Nothing unreal, but very good. Also a big relief, as i had been using mones for about two weeks and eas not seeing results, which was making me a bit anxious. If you don´t want to wait for it to be re stocked, you can get one of the new test packs [https://a314.com/](https://a314.com/) Maybe an A314/B spray will be good too: [https://a314.com/](https://a314.com/) I gues you can´t go wrong with A314. It also helps with motivation, or at least it does for me, so that´s another good reason for using it. IS is also a good product. Can´t tell about other socials, as i hava almost no experience with them. As far as i know, there´s many people aroung who likes scent of eros, but have never tried. There are many more experienced users around that can give you better advice than me in that regard. Hope this helps. Talk to you soon. ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 5:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-kind-of-a-long-post-d/51350/3 "2011-07-22T05:56:13Z")
Hey EVMD… welcome to the forum… though you have a few days registered, but, you got an excellent post there! Thanks for the extensive and awesome intro post! You know, JV Kohl is a great researcher into mones and you do well in listening to his reports on mones. He has a great product line at pheromones . com. He’s also an active member in this forum… Check out one of his latest posts: > [@Avian ‘Axe effect’ attracts attention of females and males](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/avian-axe-effect-attracts-attention-of-females-and-males/51324): > > Avian ‘Axe effect’ attracts attention of females and males Today 9:51 AM July 19th, 2011 in Biology / Plants & Animals In a case of life imitating art, avian scents given off by male songbirds have the females (and males) flocking in. A Michigan State University researcher revealed the process of how males draw attention to themselves through chemical communication in the current issue of Behavioral Ecology. Scents are used in all organisms for many purposes, such as finding, attracting a… This forum is supported by Androtic Direct for the research into mones. Take a look at the following post by MHarris… on the reason why AD does mones by precise mcg and application to the skin. > [@Your Skin is a Pheromone Mixing Canvas](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-skin-is-a-pheromone-mixing-canvas/34388): > > July 24th, 2009, 02:01 PM In the late 90s, with Erox advertising heavily on the radio, I first tried these products. I had always written off pheromones as much as I would astrology (bad astrology from carnies, anyway), but I figured if they were spending so much to advertise such a product, it might be worth a shot. And hey, it’s even available in normal department stores. I don’t have to call a 900# or go to a strange, smelly sex shop or anything fishy. So I tried the product. Did smashingly… For you to start, I’d suggest you do AMMO and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) to start with. It’s really a sexy man confident vibe, with IS feeling relaxed around me… Welcome again to Pherotalk!!! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boudicca/32/5171_2.png) [@Boudicca](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Boudicca)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 6:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-kind-of-a-long-post-d/51350/4 "2011-07-22T06:06:20Z")
Welcome to the board! I can say as a scientist who isn’t employed by AD but who HAS experimented with their products, that pheromones are real and they do work. Now for you… I’d strongly recommend picking up [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) on your first order. It’s a social and it really helps social interactions generally. I love the stuff. It’s a great self-pick-me-up, too! (Yes, mones can have fx on you as much as on other people!) Whenever I’m feeling a little down or blue, a shot of IS and I perk up and get cheerful and confident again. I think that IG and Ammo both would be good stuff for you. But at your age you’re already putting off a lot of natural mones, so you need to be careful not to overdo the ones with none in them. You can OD yourself and the people around you on that; it’s a little bit like roid rage, kinda. Grumpy, depressed, stand-offish, irritable, you know. So I’d say (since IG is out of stock at the moment) go for the IS and Ammo, and pick up some IG when it comes back in stock. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 11:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-kind-of-a-long-post-d/51350/5 "2011-07-22T11:14:26Z")
**A few weeks after this Im bored on the computer so I look up pheromones, I read the wiki page and thought there might be some legitimacy to it since its a natural phenomenon in the animal world and we afterall are animals. Then I came across The Pheromone Authority(One of the top links on google search for pheromones I think after the wiki page)Kyle Macrannell and read his reviews on pheromones. From there I was set on Scent of Eros and Max Attraction Gold/Primal Instinct for a while, continued research and came across LoveScent. From there I read negative reviews of MAG so I shot that off my list and from continued reading and put NPA on number one of phero priority list since I hear nothing but rave reviews. I google NPA OD and NPA results and came across posts from both LoveScent and PheroTalk. From there Ive just been reading but PT has a restriction on the number of posts you can read while guest so I signed up on the 10th and Ive still been reading. So its only been a few weeks that Ive known of this site and LS and here I am on the 22nd at midnight writing this post.** **I dont know if this is relevant but these are the pheros Im interested in, in order of importance: NPA/Scent of Eros/NPAw/PCC/EoW/PI from LS and TUTH from PT, your “Instant” series seems so much like Scent of Eros and Im going for economy so Ill probably stick with SOE, plus I dont really know who makes your products and I have an mp3 of James V Kohl and I like what he says, and hes a scientist so that gives him quite a bit of legitimacy, no offense. Your “Ammo” and “Raw Power” seems like TUTH with its A-none pheros and TUTH appears to be more popular than the others lol. I read alot about the MX series but you guys dont sell anymore, Im perplexed? Although I am interested in the Panty Scorcher product LOL, mostly because of the badass name haha, Id buy it just for that 😛.** **Thank you for listening/reading,** **EVMDiscinple** **We have to thank you Dude for sharing your experiences …** **Many young guys think that those kinda mistakes only happen to them and to no other guys ..** **but that´s simply not true ..** **I have to thank you again for having the balls to write all this down here in your intro post … great one BTW .** **You say you´re doing a lot of sports and PUA and therefore i´m convinced that the basics are layed out ..** **I´m into PU as well since several years ..and my first books about Body Language and Human behaviour .. face reading .. and conversational skills i´ve bought 18 years back now …** **Into Pheromones i´m since 13 years and i think i have tried out the most products available …of course only that ones that looked promising and whose websites were not too shady** **I do not think that Kyle is a real authority for Pheromones even if he want´s to come over like he is …** **He´s simply running a review site which´s intent is to provide him with some money he get´s from afiliate programs … if you´re going to a site .. let it be Max Attraction by clicking the link on his site ..and you buy there something … he get´s a percentual part of the money you´ve spent buying products .. – that´s marketing !!** **I advise you to do not start with NPA because it´s a real tricky one and you should have at least a few months of mone experience to benefit from it** **ANDROTICS MAKES THEIR PRODUCTS THEMSELVES !** **Mx´s are some experimental stuff … they come and go .. they are primarily made to test out things and gather knowledge .. – there were and are some that are real winners … i know** **Raw power is long gone … some liked it .some hated it … i´d get headaches from it … was it bit strong one .. hehe** **Panty Scorcher was a MX by a member from AD .. but his formulation did not made it real far …** **I think you have not purchased any products yet and i´m sure that you´ve read the post about the 25$ GC ..** **take this money and the 5$ you get when you register at the store and grab a few togos … this way you can try out some mones without of risk ..** **i suggest you to get the following ones ..** **Ammo … the thing for younger guys … it´s the perfect tool for a PUA as it brings you loads of IOI´s and guys give you some respect needed without fearing you … with women you get great attraction and with guys you get a buddy buddy vibe …** **Instant Honesty … good to get some rapport and you can dig into deeper conversations like storytelling … eliciting values or you run some patterns …this one will keep you in the conversations as it makes people trust you .. Dose it higher and it´s easy to open up some sets as it works like a perfect Icebreaker** **[Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) … the fun and playful thing … good for friendly chit chat and some younger girls really dig A-nol which is the main component in it … If you´re after younger girls you should definately get this one** **TUTH is for the moments when you´ve broken the ice … it´s for girls you´re already sleeping with i think …** **… one note..** **not the overly sexual products will get your girls .. the social and bonding stuff combined with good kino will get you some** **Go get the girls …** **Pago** ---
**Author:** ![EVMDisciple](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f04885/32.png) [@EVMDisciple](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EVMDisciple)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-kind-of-a-long-post-d/51350/6 "2011-07-22T16:56:35Z")
Thank you for the warm welcomes, “No risk”, thats an opportunity I cant afford to turn down 😛. Alright, Ill try out the “Instant” products and Ammo and see how they go. To the pheromone production based on age aspect: youve all inquired that Im producing plenty of pheromones already and should become conservative with my usage, but I was under the assumption that lack of physical activity reduces the phero levels. When I was younger I heard that if I wasnt physically active, itd be pretty much a waste of testosterone. So I figured my hormone/phero production drained substantially to the point of basic necessity. From the readings I fathom that A-none is the killer phero and its most high in produce in youth, but Ive never experienced any of the effects people say are normal such as DIHL looks or a sexual vibe. I know I have to put in the work but still not even the initial encounter did anything, people are making it as if A-none is mesmerizing. To Pago: I suppose youre correct in that -nol/-rone would be better over -none to get things progressing to a more intimate nature. I even just thought about getting SOE for awhile and using 60’s/VinD’s methods for gaming until I found out about NPA. I figure with NPA Id kill two birds with one stone and get to where Im going faster. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-kind-of-a-long-post-d/51350/7 "2011-07-22T17:57:00Z")
> [@EVMDisciple](#): > > Thank you for the warm welcomes, > > “No risk”, thats an opportunity I cant afford to turn down 😛. Alright, Ill try out the “Instant” products and Ammo and see how they go. > > To Pago: I suppose youre correct in that -nol/-rone would be better over -none to get things progressing to a more intimate nature. I even just thought about getting SOE for awhile and using 60’s/VinD’s methods for gaming until I found out about NPA. I figure with NPA Id kill two birds with one stone and get to where Im going faster. Well right … NPA is a killer thing … but i´m not suggesting it usually to young guys .. and especially newbees … if you can afford it .. why not .. it won´t go bad over the years 😃 you need to do some serious sweet spot testing … it´s like some of those super hot Chilli Sauces … a bit to much and the hell breaks open … if you´ve got the dosage right .. YEAH … it burns burns burns … Had some great hits with it but nothing consistent ..and that´s the big problem … With socials i had more success as i consider my Game to be quite decent … Pago ---
**Author:** ![EVMDisciple](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f04885/32.png) [@EVMDisciple](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EVMDisciple)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-kind-of-a-long-post-d/51350/8 "2011-07-22T19:21:31Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > Well right … NPA is a killer thing … but i´m not suggesting it usually to young guys .. and especially newbees … > > if you can afford it .. why not .. it won´t go bad over the years 😃 > > you need to do some serious sweet spot testing … it´s like some of those super hot Chilli Sauces … > > a bit to much and the hell breaks open … if you´ve got the dosage right .. YEAH … it burns burns burns … > > Had some great hits with it but nothing consistent ..and that´s the big problem … > > With socials i had more success as i consider my Game to be quite decent … > > Pago To Pago: Thank you once again for the advice, thats the one thing that waries me, ODing on pheros. I dont mind the people avoiding me aspect, Im used to people not talking to me, its the aggression from others and the BO scent that interests me. Im around the black community quite often and I wont say that we’re a violent bunch, but generally speaking we are more apt to defensively/offensively voice our opinions and possess rather irrational short tempers. In that regard I rather not experience this “fabled” aggression from -none lol. As to the BO situation, I dont really know where my thoughts lean, I dont wear cologne, I just shower with soap and use deodorant. I sweat often, most likely from wearing multi-layered clothing and walking everywhere(To broke for a car lol), so Im sure I give off a certain scent. Thats why BO doesnt really register to me, Im probably already used to it. With that said, the scent of these products are still pheromones and should work fairly well shouldnt it, some people should have a tolerance for mones? To the hit and miss situation you brought up from -none, am I correct to assume that younger women are put off from the mone while older women revel and “bask in the ambiance”? Thats the general consensus I fathom from pasts posts. Personally I dont really have a preference between my peers and pumas/cougars/jaguars, whatever the terms are, Im open to think outside the box lol, the only thing that kind of weirds me out is that older women would be closer to my mothers age and Im sure thats a hangup thats not easy to overcome…hits are hits though and Im sure to take advantage. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-kind-of-a-long-post-d/51350/9 "2011-07-22T19:32:17Z")
\*\*To Pago: Thank you once again for the advice, thats the one thing that waries me, ODing on pheros. I dont mind the people avoiding me aspect, Im used to people not talking to me, its the aggression from others and the BO scent that interests me. Im around the black community quite often and I wont say that we’re a violent bunch, but generally speaking we are more apt to defensively/offensively voice our opinions and possess rather irrational short tempers. In that regard I rather not experience this “fabled” aggression from -none lol. As to the BO situation, I dont really know where my thoughts lean, I dont wear cologne, I just shower with soap and use deodorant. I sweat often, most likely from wearing multi-layered clothing and walking everywhere(To broke for a car lol), so Im sure I give off a certain scent. Thats why BO doesnt really register to me, Im probably already used to it. With that said, the scent of these products are still pheromones and should work fairly well shouldnt it, some people should have a tolerance for mones? \*\* **Don´t worry dude… with Ammo there won´t be some overdosing at 2 Sprays .. it´s well buffered and comes with a very nice clear scent …** **To the hit and miss situation you brought up from -none, am I correct to assume that younger women are put off from the mone while older women revel and “bask in the ambiance”? Thats the general consensus I fathom from pasts posts. Personally I dont really have a preference between my peers and pumas/cougars/jaguars, whatever the terms are, Im open to think outside the box lol, the only thing that kind of weirds me out is that older women would be closer to my mothers age and Im sure thats a hangup thats not easy to overcome…hits are hits though and Im sure to take advantage.** **I think you´re referring to NPA as None … but NPA is not only None …it´s the 3 extra secret mones that make the sound …** **I´ve had fantastic hits with None based Products with younger women and same night lays …** **But if you have some good Game … Prouducts on the playful social site like Ammo will take you further** **JAGUARS … that´s funny … the women in the 35+ crowd ad usually called Cougars …** **If they look good … why not .. think about it ..** **Pago** ---
**Author:** ![EVMDisciple](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f04885/32.png) [@EVMDisciple](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EVMDisciple)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-kind-of-a-long-post-d/51350/10 "2011-07-22T20:51:21Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > **Don´t worry dude… with Ammo there won´t be some overdosing at 2 Sprays .. > it´s well buffered and comes with a very nice clear scent …** > > **I think you´re referring to NPA as None … but NPA is not only None …it´s the 3 extra secret mones that make the sound …** > > **I´ve had fantastic hits with None based Products with younger women and same night lays …** > > **But if you have some good Game … Prouducts on the playful social site like Ammo will take you further** > > **JAGUARS … that´s funny … the women in the 35+ crowd ad usually called Cougars …** > > **If they look good … why not .. think about it ..** > > **Pago** To Pago: Thats my plan for the first batch, Ammo and some “Instants” primarily [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/). Ive been reading some of the products and Im interested in some Instant Jerk, if nothing else Im intrigued by the humorous effects, how is your experience with that product? Yeah, the 3 secret ingrediants are killer lol, nobody knows what they are. I just have to watch out for the -none is all, start small and build up to find the right dose. I agree, game will take you further with socials, Im so impatient though, thats why I was looking into -none in the first place. Yeah, Ive heard that theyre called cougars, but Tisha and them are preferring the term jaguar so I used it as well. Question though, seems you have experience in these matters, where would you find a cougar, your ideal environment? There are some at my college and from research came across gyms/bars/k-12 schools. Just interested in your thoughts is all, if youve found a haven or anything like that lol. ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 7:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-kind-of-a-long-post-d/51350/11 "2011-07-24T19:09:56Z")
Welcome to Evm! You seem to be very analytical and want to consider everything before ordering. I suggest you close your eyes and take the plunge, you won’t regret it. **Your gc was issued! 🙂** ---
**Author:** ![EVMDisciple](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f04885/32.png) [@EVMDisciple](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EVMDisciple)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-kind-of-a-long-post-d/51350/12 "2011-07-27T01:15:37Z")
> [@kelsey](#): > > Welcome to Evm! > > You seem to be very analytical and want to consider everything before ordering. > > I suggest you close your eyes and take the plunge, you won’t regret it. > > **Your gc was issued! 🙂** To Mickaelia: Thank you for the welcome, It would appear so wouldnt it lol, Im just trying to make a compromise between LS and AD. I wouldnt mind staying here but Im trying to figure out whats a good comparative item to NPA, my reasoning settled on TUTH and/or A314, and on SOE I figure the “Instant” products are a decent substitute. The gift card lol, I had a little ulterior motive to writing my intro like that, not to say that I wouldnt have said any of that anyway, but a small proportion of my motivation was reading Steve’s intro guide post and he mentioned that sometimes the mod’s issue a higher gc amount to those who post intros that are a step above normal 😛 its alright though, thats what I get for getting greedy, especially in the beginning LOL. Side note related to gc: The products were delivered today, swift if you ask me lol, Im not sure if I received the express delivery but this was fast 😃. The scent is pleasant to say the least, and in that case even if the pheros themselves dont work, the scent alone is worth it 😛 ---
**Author:** ![EVMDisciple](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f04885/32.png) [@EVMDisciple](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EVMDisciple)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 2:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-kind-of-a-long-post-d/51350/13 "2011-08-03T02:56:55Z")
Update on [pheromone](https://a314.com/) possession: I havent tested anything yet but as of right now I have everything Ive ordered; Ammo with TUTH from AD since last week and the SOE/A7 combo with the beginners set which included an atomizer/musk fragrance+nol/The Edge for men/instruction sheet from LS that delivered today. The size of these things are incredibly small, I dont know why but they look larger in their photos lol. P.S. I was under the impression that none products have a strong odor resembling natural body odor; but I dont sense a “musty” smell in either Edge or A7, how bizarre. Im going to test the AD products in the neighborhood and see what happens, like the local grocer and mcdonalds and the like. I read though that none products have more of an effect on older women and black/african/hispanic women so Ill check out the barber shops/beauty salons as well and hope for the best with less problems of ODing although I dont know where to go to find older women other than schools, most likely though Ill go to a higher end neighborhood for that, I presume theyre better kept with presentation