# Hello Newbie and somewhat Sceptic here :) **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [April 12, 2012, 5:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-newbie-and-somewhat-sceptic-here/55229 "2012-04-12T05:03:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![xtatik81](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/dc4da7/32.png) [@xtatik81](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xtatik81)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 5:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-newbie-and-somewhat-sceptic-here/55229/1 "2012-04-12T05:03:02Z")
Hello all I’ve been lurking around in this forum reading up on what pheromones are, what effects it has and which situations they are beneficial in. I must say quiet an interesting read!! Do I believe that they work? Well, yes and no. But I have an open mind and definitely willing to give them a go. I guess the only way to know for sure is to test them out yourself. A little intro about myself. Im 30 years old, 190cms muscular build, asian and personality wise im quite confident when it comes to the ladies. What sparked my interest was quite simply curiosity. Do they really work?? If so i could have so much more fun in different situations! I found this site by googling pheromones and big congrats to all the senior members and administrators for maintaining such an informative forum. Well onto what I hope to achieve. First and foremost I want to know if they work. Secondly, if they work I hope to have some serious fun with it. My aim is not to get as much sex as possible. I want to use them to see what kind of responses I get from girls and people in various situations. Of course as a guy any extra attention from the ladies will be fun and appreciated. My understanding is pheromones alone won’t get girls falling over for you but if I can use it to give me an extra edge or boost then it’s well worth the money spent. I am considering purchasing AMMO, TUTH and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). As this will be my first time using pheromones my plan of attack is to use them in 2 common situations - club / bar scene & casual lunch, dinner or a day out somewhere (shopping?). Do you guys think these 3 products will be enough to do the job or should I include anything else? I’m considering using these mixes - 2 x TUTH on chest / 3 or 4 x Instant Shine on sides of neck and hair - Club or bar 1 x TUTH on chest / 1 x AMMO on collar bone area / 3 or 4 x Instant Shine on sides of neck and hair - Club or bar 2 x AMMO / 3 x Instant Shine for casual lunch dinner or day out As i described earlier, im 30 very active, muscular build, work out 5 -6 days a week. Do you guys think those combinations will result in OD’ing? I know you will never know until you try but just based on general experiences is that too much? Also, I’ve read that some of the pheromones can smell like cats piss (something stinky i guess, never smelt cats piss). why is that? Is it because one puts on too much or when it becomes mixed with other pheromones or sweat. Can you guys tell me which ones have the potential to smell bad? What is the general rule in regards to using cologne with pheromones. Do I have to wait before I spray the cologne and should I avoid spraying direct onto where ive used the pheromones? SO many questions i know…any advice would be very appreciated!!! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Marihino](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marihino/32/1286_2.png) [@Marihino](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marihino)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-newbie-and-somewhat-sceptic-here/55229/2 "2012-04-12T06:12:28Z")
hey Xtatik, it’s ok to be sceptical, most of us were. You know, people once didn’t believe in magnetic energy od radio waves. Some of them still don’t, or think that it’s some satanic invention. I can see you’ve done some reading. Do some more 🙂 Don’t get too fixed on application points or particular number of sprays. You have to see in practice how it works for you. We are all different. And people around you will respond very differently. In some environments I can wear 8 drops of A314 and be loved, while with some other people 2 drops is too much and I get avoided. You may want to be careful with mixing Ammo and TUTH together. They both contain androstenone, which is a [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) that’s particularly easy to OD. To answer your other question, it is also the one that is most often reported to smell bad. I haven’t tried TUTH, but I use Ammo very often, and I do get a hint of urine-y smell from it sometimes. Not too often. And I don’t worry about it, as if I get any comments on the way I smell, it’s only compliments. Androsterone also has a recognizable smell - but this one I genuinely love. I can imagine though that it could be a bit too _sweaty_ in really high dosages. Welcome to the Pheromone Talk 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-newbie-and-somewhat-sceptic-here/55229/3 "2012-04-12T06:38:49Z")
Hey there and welcome! Glad you found this place for research and mones! Sounds like you’ve read quite a bit already 🙂 The 3 you’re thinking of buying are a great bunch to start with. personally I keep TUTH locked up until I KNOW I’m going be going to sleep with a girl, up until then I’ll generally use AMMO as the sexual/attracting force. AMMO + IS is an AMAZING combination that gives off the fun sexual attracting mix of AMMO along with IS giving off a fun playful youthful vibe that people love to be around. If you use a product with none like tuth or ammo make sure you don’t sweat TOO much with it on (like dont work out with it on) or it can get a bit smelly sometimes. there are other ingredients ( i forget which at the moment) that actually turn INTO none when you get too hot/sweaty, which could lead to an OD. I have personally never smelled a mone that smelled like cat piss. The cover scents on these are top rate and cover any bad smell that mones could have. I’ve had some unscented too that didn’t seem to smell all that bad. For the few people that can smell the cat pee scent I think it’s usually the none products, but like I said these are mixed with other mones and scents that effectively diminish that scent. The scents are such that you can usually mix them with other colognes if you like your scents better. This can however change the diffusion/ range / effectiveness of the mones you’re wearing as the mones are kind of transported through the scent, if you will. So the properties can change. It’s good when writing reports for us here that you not use the cover scent, as it can change results sometimes, but it is possible, and the scents that are used with the mones are good for mixing with others. Let us know how things go! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-newbie-and-somewhat-sceptic-here/55229/4 "2012-04-12T06:45:56Z")
Good advice above - so i won’t repeat it. I will say that you need to be careful with none and it is best to start low and build-up slowly till you find your effective dose, so diving int the sort of fairly overt mixes you suggest is maybe not the best way. Have a look at this thread and particularly the “Sweet Spot” post: > [@An Introduction to Mones: Names, Size, Strength, Use, Effects & Duration](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43003): > > Welcome to an exciting world of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). By joining our community you have taken a HUGE step in progressing a science that is cutting edge and still in its infancy. This community is globally important in recognizing pheromones, and Neuroinfluence Technology ? and their impact on human communication. There are thousands of posts here and thousands more users. Each one of us, including you, adds a unique dynamic to the community from our individual perspectives, experiences and our research an… TUTH in social environments is a fickle one at best - clubs and more overtly sexual situations are often the places you will get the best out of it. Moderating it with something like IS or better still IO will help a lot. Smell - Well, yes that can happen ant does depend a lot on the bacterial comtent of your skin and sweating, heat humidity etc. Pheros diffuse/break down fastest in warm humid places. You should still have a good four hours or so before needing a freshen-up, with more like six hours in a cooler place. Also remember that scent response varies widely with pheros and whilst you might smell nothing, others might detect a strong scent at tiny doses no matter what cover you use, whilst others will smell nothing at all - So don’t be put-off by the odd negative reaction, the vast majority won’t be troubled. Cologne - yes, you can spray over alcohol-base pheros or use different points but do leave a couple of minutes to let the solvent evaporate first. You only need to keep your application points strictly apart when using oil-base, spraying over can wreck diffusion. Another thing to remember is that there is a known issue with Asians and none sensitivity - Asian women can be responsive to far lower levels of none compared to other races and a dose that would be fine around western women might well be into OD for them - Again, a little time finding your sweet spot is well worth the effort. You should also look at IG as well as it also appears that Asian women can be very responsive to Androsterone and maybe you should consider using that in conjunction with the IS and a reduced dose of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). IG’s light smart/smooth/charming, status effects will do you no harm anyway. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![xtatik81](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/dc4da7/32.png) [@xtatik81](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xtatik81)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 12:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-newbie-and-somewhat-sceptic-here/55229/5 "2012-04-13T00:21:47Z")
Guys thanks for the tips. I’ve got a few questions to ask.. 1. Very generally speaking, which products work best on asian girls / women?? 2. How long after I spray AMMO, TUTH etc. before it completely disappears from my body? 3. I read that the nols such as [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) are pretty much impossible to OD on even with many sprays. Is this true?? 4. Which products would be best for just going to the mall, or lunch, just casual day activities? 5. What are the main signs to look for that I have OD’ed?? ---
**Author:** ![xtatik81](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/dc4da7/32.png) [@xtatik81](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xtatik81)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 12:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-newbie-and-somewhat-sceptic-here/55229/6 "2012-04-13T00:34:37Z")
Oh and also.. I am going to purchase AMMO, TUTH, [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), Instant Jerk (to go), A314. What shouldnt I use together? e.g. high chance of OD, not a good mix etc. What are good combinations that have worked well for other users. Trying to get a general feel of where I should start. Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 4:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-newbie-and-somewhat-sceptic-here/55229/7 "2012-04-13T04:37:20Z")
Edit, DP ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 4:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-newbie-and-somewhat-sceptic-here/55229/8 "2012-04-13T04:38:58Z")
> [@xtatik81](#): > > 1. Very generally speaking, which products work best on asian girls / women?? > > 2. How long after I spray AMMO, TUTH etc. before it completely disappears from my body? > > 3. I read that the nols such as Instant Shine are pretty much impossible to OD on even with many sprays. Is this true?? > > 4. Which products would be best for just going to the mall, or lunch, just casual day activities? > > 5. What are the main signs to look for that I have OD’ed?? 1 - Several good threads on this with much more detail if you search but very generally, a more social/rone signature with small amounts of none. Look to IG, A314, IO, IH or IS as primary components 2 - When you have a shower the next day. Pheros don’t vanish completely, they degrade to other pheros (mostly none) and other breakdown products. This is why a regular freshen-up as you go along helps keep breakdown in check. 3 - Not quite true. Overdoing the socials is not the same as a none OD but with high doses/topups and after a few hours, you can end-up feeling a bit burned out/tired/drained and emotionally flat, esp if you are drinking apace. There are various strategies to offset this. 4 - A lighter, more social/socially engaging signature - socials again, with less overt none. Increase the none as you move into night time/more sexual environments, clubs etc. 5 - Mostly you just get ignored and/or avoided, sometimes women can get argumentative and testy but a none OD can trigger aggressive, challenging and competitive behaviour, particularly in other guys. Avoid using the none-based pheros (Ammo, TUTH, IJ) together until you have a better idea of your effective doses and what each does for you. IJ is more or less an intentional OD and is highly up to the way you work it. I get about 50/50 between great results or facing down someone who wants to fight me - Goes well with a hefty dose of A314 though. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 5:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-newbie-and-somewhat-sceptic-here/55229/9 "2012-04-13T05:48:29Z")
Like others have said, Tuth and Ammo may not work all too well together and you may want to buy just one of them to start with and spend the extra cash on something else. I’d go for Ammo, as it’s versatile. Works for me in any surrounding and as a standalone if need be, although I like to add some other stuff. I’d recommend IH if it didn’t come at such a steep price nowadays. IO is extremely expensive too, so while new users usually are recommended to stick to the Instant line to begin with, I’d check what P74 costs and give it a thought. I really don’t know the price right now but it could be worth a shot. ---
**Author:** ![xtatik81](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/dc4da7/32.png) [@xtatik81](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xtatik81)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 6:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-newbie-and-somewhat-sceptic-here/55229/10 "2012-04-13T06:47:28Z")
Thanks guy for your input. All very helpful and appreciated!! I guess all that’s left to do is wait for my package to arrive. I spent close to $200 on my first batch…I’m thinking maybe I over did it lol…slight regrets haha After reading through the endless threads (addictive) I’ve got some more questions. 1. How does wearing AMMO, TUTH, IJ around your homeboys make them feel?? e.g. will they get upset / angry?? what are the common reactions?? 2. Can A314 be worn everyday to work? Or should I take rest days so I dont OD. 3. I can understand the difference between AMMO and TUTH but its hard for TUTH and IJ. Can anyone explain? 4. Will the effects on people be stronger if I’m in a smaller closed space such as a room or a car compared to a large area like a club? That’s using the same amount and same products for both situations. 5. With None’s is it better to use it on exposed skin such as neck, arms, behind wrists or on tummy / chest where its covered by a shirt (unexposed)?? ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 6:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-newbie-and-somewhat-sceptic-here/55229/11 "2012-04-13T06:56:35Z")
> [@xtatik81](#): > > Guys thanks for the tips. > > I’ve got a few questions to ask.. > > 1. Very generally speaking, which products work best on asian girls / women?? > I don’t know personally which specific mix will work on asian women. I seem to remember an mx that seemed to work well on asian women, maybe mx200? search in the forum from the search tools and you should find some info 🙂 > > 2. How long after I spray AMMO, TUTH etc. before it completely disappears from my body? > It depends on diffusion rate which can change on the weather outside, how hot you are (temperature, sweating, etc.) if it’s dry or humid out? Usually 3-5 hours. if it’s cold and dry I find that the mones don’t reach as far, but they last longer, and if its hot and humid i find that they reach further and seem to have more effect, but don’t last as long. > > 3. I read that the nols such as Instant Shine are pretty much impossible to OD on even with many sprays. Is this true?? > Yeah I’ve never had an incident where I wore too much IS… only thing I’ve ODd on is none, like ammo or tuth. Either people get more annoyed than anything, or you just get ghosted, as in you don’t get any response whatsoever, especially the responses or hits you’re looking for. > > 4. Which products would be best for just going to the mall, or lunch, just casual day activities? > Casual day activities I personally love A314 with a bit of shine. If you’re just going out IS is always a good bet. Maybe one spray ammo if you’re feeling frisky 🙂 > > 5. What are the main signs to look for that I have OD’ed?? Like above, if you get negative hits, or if you just get ghosted… everyone will just walk right by and you certainly wont get the hits you’re looking for. Just start with one spray and move it up one spray a day until you find your ‘sweet spot’… some people spray a whole bunch their first time just to see what it is like to OD from the get go. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-newbie-and-somewhat-sceptic-here/55229/12 "2012-04-13T16:45:24Z")
> [@xtatik81](#): > > 1. How does wearing AMMO, TUTH, IJ around your homeboys make them feel?? e.g. will they get upset / angry?? what are the common reactions?? > > 2. Can A314 be worn everyday to work? Or should I take rest days so I dont OD. > > 3. I can understand the difference between AMMO and TUTH but its hard for TUTH and IJ. Can anyone explain? > > 4. Will the effects on people be stronger if I’m in a smaller closed space such as a room or a car compared to a large area like a club? That’s using the same amount and same products for both situations. > > 5. With None’s is it better to use it on exposed skin such as neck, arms, behind wrists or on tummy / chest where its covered by a shirt (unexposed)?? 1 - At 30, Ammo should be fine - Its well balanced and social enough not to cause too much disturbance to them if they are similar age. Younger guys seem to have stronger responses. TUTH however is more overt, so can make them draw breath. IJ is the most unpredictable and most likely to produce challenging behaviour. 2 - Yes, once you have your effective dose, it should be fine. More generally, it is a good idea to have regular phero free days anyway. Just to keep in tune with yourself. 3 - IJ has **five times** the none content of standard TUTH or Ammo and its steering not as determinedly sexual as TUTH. IJ seems to try and replicate aspects of an all-round assertive/abrasive personality. 4 - Yes. Mones hit hardest in confined situations. Cars are excellent and you may even want to reduce your doses if you are going any ddistance with someone (personally I love oils for their slowburn effect in cars! 😉 ). If in a club-type space, just look to the couple of meters around you for effects. 5 - Depends. Younger guys using TUTH seem to benefit from it being under a light bit of clothing but for most others, I’d look for the best blood flow and open skin for maximum diffusion. This may help: > [@Application points 101: a guide to where on the body to apply pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/53343): > > Originally found here: [Application points 101: chest, neck and ears, and taming -none products under a shirt](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/52170) Application Points 101 You gesture your hand with precision, moving across the audiences olfactory senses, with every calculated move, you enhance their senses and draw them in. You smile as you move around the room, trailing behind you the scent, people look around and spot you, from the corner of your eye, you spot a women, possibly of your dreams for that night. You draw her in wit… ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-newbie-and-somewhat-sceptic-here/55229/13 "2012-04-17T15:05:05Z")
Welcome to pherotalk X! As usual my team did an excellent job in answering all your questions I know you got loads of questions but don’t overwhelm yourself, start slow and take your testing and further search for knowledge to the men section so you can benefit more and others can benefit from your threads as well. **Your gc was issued!**