# Hello! Pheromone to Help Mature Married Man To Spark Wife's Bed Manners :) 53/M **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [February 12, 2015, 7:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839 "2015-02-12T19:03:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bdeknock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@bdeknock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bdeknock)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 7:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/1 "2015-02-12T19:03:59Z")
Hello everyone I’m a 53 year old man who is happily married and a father of 2 adult children. One is done with college and the other is away at college. We find ourselves as empty nesters but my wife doesn’t have the same passion she used to have regarding sex. Once things get started she is totally into it, but is now more reserved than she used to be. I am hoping to help things along with [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) and recently purchased TUTH, which is scheduled to be delivered today. I am looking for any tips, tricks, application advice that could be helpful. Should I apply it and build up over the course of several days? Looking for advice. Also, we have a planned weekend away at our daughters college which involves a 2.5 hr car trip, should I put it on before the drive? ---
**Author:** ![Fiddler17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ea5d25/32.png) [@Fiddler17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Fiddler17)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/2 "2015-02-12T20:13:38Z")
Hello! I haven’t used TUTH yet, but from what I’ve heard, the big thing is to not overdo it. You can always start slow and work your way up from there. Someone else more knowledgeable then I am will surely arrive soon and give some better advice, but in the meantime, good luck! ---
**Author:** ![mrseeker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mrseeker/32/5177_2.png) [@mrseeker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mrseeker)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 9:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/3 "2015-02-12T21:06:47Z")
Hey there, Welcome to the forums. You got the regular version or the 2X version? At your age, its best to have twice the dosage that the regular users use since at your age you are not going to be so sexually active anymore (and therefore emit less pheromones). I am giving advice here for regular users (who are usually in their 20’s) so best to double the dosage I am giving here if you use the regular version. TUTH is best applied on the chest and most likely an hour before you go to bed or have some private moment together. In the car will most likely result in her getting annoyed or even pulled over, unless you both like to have sex on a parking lot 😛 Usually 2-4 sprays of the regular TUTH version is enough to get the average woman horny. More and she will get very bitchy and angry. Less and there won’t be any fun in the bedroom. Note that she should be flirty beforehand, if she is not interested in you at all, then pheromones wont help… It takes 2 to tango you know. 😉 You can try the spray a couple of days, and up the dosage if you have the feeling that she is not into the mood. Eventually you are going to hit the sweetspot, but that varies from person to person. If you try more than 4 sprays and still don’t see any changes, then I think its time to rethink about the way you apply your spray or have a good social talk. Most likely she has something hidden from you or is just not interested in sex anymore (it happens when you reach 55-60 years). In those cases, its best to think about other ways to keep each other happy… There is more than just sex you know 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bdeknock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@bdeknock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bdeknock)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 9:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/4 "2015-02-12T21:36:49Z")
Thanks for the info. I purchased the regular not the X2. So if I heard right I will try 2-4 on the chest to begin. Avoid the car. My wife gets going once started so I hope this just loosens her up a little. ---
**Author:** ![mrseeker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mrseeker/32/5177_2.png) [@mrseeker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mrseeker)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2015, 12:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/5 "2015-02-13T12:08:03Z")
Yes. Woman at an older age get a more heavy reaction for the androstenone in TUTH. I think at 2-4 sprays you will see enough of an effect to get the train going, more and it just turns into a hot and sexual party. I do know that mobocaster (who is around your age) really gets woman turned on with just 2 sprays, sometimes uses a bit more to literally “turn on the heat” in the room 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2015, 12:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/6 "2015-02-13T12:23:21Z")
Hello knock! Welcome to PheromoneTalk! 🙂 TUTH is a surefire on bed with wifey. Inhibitions will never be an issue because of your relationship. And because of her age (Im assuming you are in the same age range) you need to apply more than the usual to light her up. On the build-up you mentioned though, I think A314 can help you. It can make your wife remember the young, dominant, and confident you. You can use some IO or IH too if you think you need some good convo first before going in for the kill, you know, lovemaking is ever sweet after an issue or concern was ironed by you two. 😃 Anyway, I just dropped your $25 Intro GC in your email. This should help you in getting additional pheromones mentioned by mrseeker and yours truly, if you think you want to try it. 😃 Happy pheroing! 🙂 =============== _ **Disclosure:** I’ve edited your thread title from **“new to site and pheromones in general”** to **“Hello! Pheromone to Help Mature Married Man To Spark Wife’s Bed Manners 🙂 53/M”** for topic clarity and forum readability. It’ll also generate more “reads” to your thread. If you want to opt-out simply let me know. Thank you!_ ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2015, 6:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/7 "2015-02-13T18:15:07Z")
Buildup is a bit of a more advanced trick of phero use - Suggest you get to grips with the basics of using and dosing first. It can also turn smelly - so again, a bit of experience in judging topups/freshenups with a daily reapplication also helps. Personally I don’t do buildup unless its something like a festival/“three-day-weekend” type thing where you are going to be in close proximity to your subject in an out of the ordinary environment. Cars are superb for phero use but impact goes away-up, so you might well need to dose down for the journey or even a mature woman might go into OD - Which all depends on your knowing your dose range first or you can end-up with a woman who will be begging you to “pull-over and do things” one trip but be a snarling hellcat the next. If she has some issues with getting-going, you may need to buffer/steer the TUTH in order to help her with that. If she’s not in the mood, TUTH alone can go badly. IH/[Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) together is a good trusting/bonding/feelgood/adventurous combo that helps get through issues. TAC at 20mcg and over is a good playful/relaxing/releasing phero and p96 helps with the expression of arousal. Any of these will help steer your TUTH nicely. I’d also agree that A314 could be very useful here - on its own or in combo. Its not so much an attraction product, more a well-rounded expression of mature masculinity - the sort of product that often reminds a partner of what they found attractive in you to begin with and once they get past their 30s, women do tend to gravitate towards the sort of mature status/sexual mixes that are based on A314/TUTH. Personally I prefer the oil for a lot of reasons and it can be worn most discretely but the /b spray is a reasonable try-out and closest in dose, spray for drop. On Androstenone dose - you are going to have to do a bit of testing/varying to see what suits you/her. Broadly, as a woman ages, she tends to like a higher dose best, sometimes a lot higher and as we age, we tend to produce less of the stuff. So for a mature woman, you can end-up using a very high dose indeed. I’m still using the 2x TUTH for most things but now I’ve passed 50, I’ve noticed a fair increase in dose over the last couple of years and I have now got a bottle of 7.5mcg (3x) TUTH to start experimenting with. So if you are not getting responses at 2-4 sprays 1x, don’t be afraid to go much higher. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bdeknock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@bdeknock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bdeknock)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/8 "2015-02-13T20:09:37Z")
So I tried 2 chest sprays of 1X TUTH last night and was observing for any reaction and got none. She was a bit more cuddly this morning (residual effects?). What do you think? Boost to 4 sprays, 2 on chest and 1 on each wrist or elsewhere? Thanks for great advice BTW. I used GC and got 2X IH, which has yet to be shipped. I would love to try A314! Are there samples? ---
**Author:** ![mrseeker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mrseeker/32/5177_2.png) [@mrseeker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mrseeker)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/9 "2015-02-13T20:34:07Z")
The cuddly effect sounds like she had a great night. Could indeed to try to push it to 4 and see how she reacts to it 😉 Thats the fun of experimentation: See how far you can go before she starts to get annoyed 😉 Just a question: Did you smell TUTH in the morning? If so, then yes its the residual 😉 The togo sprays are basically “samples”, got the boxes to prove it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bdeknock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@bdeknock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bdeknock)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/10 "2015-02-13T21:52:05Z")
> [@mrseeker](#): > > The cuddly effect sounds like she had a great night. Could indeed to try to push it to 4 and see how she reacts to it 😉 Thats the fun of experimentation: See how far you can go before she starts to get annoyed 😉 > > Just a question: Did you smell TUTH in the morning? If so, then yes its the residual 😉 > > The togo sprays are basically “samples”, got the boxes to prove it 🙂 I did smell it in the morning! I don’t want her pissed off 😠 which is why I want to creep up on it. ---
**Author:** ![bdeknock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@bdeknock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bdeknock)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2015, 4:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/11 "2015-02-16T16:59:03Z")
So I have applied TUTH 1X on 3 separate times (2 sprays, 4 sprays and 3 sprays) and my wife definitely notices the smell every time. She doesn’t seem to have positive reaction and comments “what’s that smell”. Nothing really changed on the sexual front. Just her noticing the smell. Any suggestions? ---
**Author:** ![buyit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/65b543/32.png) [@buyit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/buyit)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2015, 6:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/12 "2015-02-16T18:31:22Z")
I would try some high strength p83 and perhaps mx353 if TUTH does not work. Read some threads about these, and good luck! ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2015, 11:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/13 "2015-02-16T23:35:30Z")
buyit’s advice is good. But I want to dwell on your experience more. What did you do? Did you just spray TUTH and wait for her to do the ninja moves to you? Did you do something before you sprayed TUTH that’ll make her smile? Because TUTH will only tell your wife that you are a big horny husband at the moment, it will not influence her will though. A little massage maybe, some sweet nothing talks, you know, something that’ll demand all her attention towards you, not just that sense of smell, which is working very well by the way – if she smelled it, mones did hit her, it’s just that its not much, which brings us to mobo’s post earlier : “So if you are not getting responses at 2-4 sprays 1x, don’t be afraid to go much higher.” Let’s see what’ll happen when you up dosage. ---
**Author:** ![bdeknock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@bdeknock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bdeknock)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2015, 5:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/14 "2015-02-17T17:42:25Z")
Actually, I always give her daily neck and shoulder massages. I had taken her out to a nice dinner, we had drinks, I had just given her fresh flowers for the table (I do that weekly) and she was laughing. I put on the TUTH. We were in bed, I was massaging her and she keep saying the smell was gagging her and she got kind of bitchy. I didn’t tell her I had put it on. That is why I thought TOO MUCH, but maybe not enough? I wasn’t acting different and I was being observant for changes. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2015, 7:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/15 "2015-02-17T19:10:25Z")
Building-up to four sprays is all good so far and it will help overall because its not quite like hitting her with a blunt force dose of TUTH. If its any help, at my age, 50 - 51 in two months (gawd, where did that last year go! 😮😃 ), 4 sprays TUTH is about my basic/daytime dose - I could easily go much higher on a more wild/pasionate night. This is why I suggested the 2x as its also a good scent control measure as well - the scent strength remains the same across the versions, so you need less sprays overall. However, it could be she is particularly sensitive to the scent of Androstenone itself and is getting that over the Neroli - has she given you any reason she is finding it really unpleasant, pissy/sweaty/body-fluid type unpleasant or is it just the orange scent that gets her? I’m also wondering if some steering might help - Getting bitchy suggests she might be at her upper limit for TUTH and something to relax/round-out the TUTH with some more pleasurable feelings might be useful. TAC or [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) would leap to mind here but IH will also help steer it in a deeper more bonding/trusting way, so I would try some of that as you have it already - You won’t need so much, maybe 1-2 sprays for starters. P83 could help but if she’s getting bitchy/OD responses, it could go either way. P96 might be better instead, or save the P83 till you have some IS in the mix. You are also extremely considerate - So I’m still wondering about the shake-up effect of some TUTH/A314 to remind her why you are important. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bdeknock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@bdeknock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bdeknock)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2015, 8:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/16 "2015-02-17T20:02:16Z")
she keeps describing the scent as “a heavy soap smell”? I just got IH 2X delivered today with my GC. I put some TUTH on last night before bed (2 sprays at bottom of ribcage) and she did not comment at all on the smell and was more cuddly this morning, but nothing overtly sexual. I am thinking 1 spray IH after dinner and wait 2 hrs and then put on 4 sprays TUTH just before we settle into bed. We usually watch a sitcom in bed before sleeping. I also should add that I’m 53 and she will be 58 in April, if that matters. One other big factor that I didn’t think was in play but could have been that night is her mom lives with us (86) and has dementia. We are both caregiving and it does stress us out. However, I didn’t sense anything in play that night she was “bitchy” but I suppose something could have been bothering her that she didn’t discuss. She seemed in a good mood. We have a getaway planned this weekend and MIL will not be around. I would like to “dial in” the mones so we both can have a great, much needed, break. ---
**Author:** ![bdeknock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@bdeknock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bdeknock)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/17 "2015-02-19T17:43:03Z")
quick update. Last night everything changed! 2 sprays IH 2X. 1 hour later after dinner, some wine a good TV show and laughs, some cuddling change to comfortable clothes etc, I went and put on 3 sprays of TUTH 1X. My wife immediately commented on “heavy soap smell” again and said it kinda went right down her throat. So since she had already been exposed to the smell, I went and added 3 more for a total of 6. WOW!! I got back into bed and started kissing her. She got out of bed and took all her clothes off and got back into bed. That NEVER happens. I usually have to suggest she do it etc. I was the hottest sex we have ever had! She was completely open to things she is normally reserved about. WOW!!! ---
**Author:** ![mrseeker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mrseeker/32/5177_2.png) [@mrseeker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mrseeker)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/18 "2015-02-19T18:56:08Z")
I read your last post, couldn’t resist to laugh a lot! Seems that you need to have faith in yourself, and don’t hesistate to change the mood a bit. Well, hope that you make a journal and give us the best read ever 😉 I love it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 11:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/19 "2015-02-19T23:26:12Z")
another reason not to be afraid going 50. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 11:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839/20 "2015-02-19T23:47:46Z")
> [@bdeknock](#): > > quick update. Last night everything changed! 2 sprays IH 2X. 1 hour later after dinner, some wine a good TV show and laughs, some cuddling change to comfortable clothes etc, I went and put on 3 sprays of TUTH 1X. My wife immediately commented on “heavy soap smell” again and said it kinda went right down her throat. So since she had already been exposed to the smell, I went and added 3 more for a total of 6. WOW!! I got back into bed and started kissing her. She got out of bed and took all her clothes off and got back into bed. That NEVER happens. I usually have to suggest she do it etc. I was the hottest sex we have ever had! She was completely open to things she is normally reserved about. WOW!!! Excellent - Steering for closeness and a hefty dose of TUTH! 😃 Now get some IS or TAC into the mix. 😉 [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromone-to-help-mature-married-man-to-spark-wifes-bed-manners-53-m/63839.md?page=2)