# Hello - Pheromones for Getting Closer to a Woman I Like? M/60/UK **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [November 9, 2017, 11:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478 "2017-11-09T11:24:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![evander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/2bfe46/32.png) [@evander](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evander)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 11:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/1 "2017-11-09T11:24:06Z")
I live in the UK, a ?young? 60 year old widower, recovering well after treatment for prostate cancer. Had more or less given up on the opposite sex but in recent months things have changed. I work in a small office, just 3 people and this lovely lady, single and 50 has started working here last year and we get on really well. Lots of humorous banter. I would like to take it a stage further. I feel really comfortable with her and want to be close because we are on the same wave length. I have been out of the dating scene for many years but do lead an active social life with plenty of friends and colleagues from various social clubs. I seem to have a lot more friends and acquaintances in their 30s and 40s than people in their 60s ? however I am just not that interested in younger women, other than as friends, they probably are not likely to be interested in me anyway, so don’t really want to hit on them. Many young women see me as a safe trusted figure and will often confide in me about things that bother them- I like that trust and would not want to jeopardise these very special relationships because they are great kids and I am the reliable guy to turn to when life sucks. My goal is to get close to my work colleague - Having read some of the posts I thought maybe A314, TUTH and IH ? I realise you may think she has put me in the friend slot and this is a possibility, but I hope not. ---
**Author:** ![Gracious](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gracious/32/2247_2.png) [@Gracious](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gracious)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/2 "2017-11-09T15:33:28Z")
> [@evander](#): > > I live in the UK, a ?young? 60 year old widower, recovering well after treatment for prostate cancer. Had more or less given up on the opposite sex but in recent months things have changed. I work in a small office, just 3 people and this lovely lady, single and 50 has started working here last year and we get on really well. Lots of humorous banter. I would like to take it a stage further. I feel really comfortable with her and want to be close because we are on the same wave length. > > I have been out of the dating scene for many years but do lead an active social life with plenty of friends and colleagues from various social clubs. I seem to have a lot more friends and acquaintances in their 30s and 40s than people in their 60s ? however I am just not that interested in younger women, other than as friends, they probably are not likely to be interested in me anyway, so don’t really want to hit on them. Many young women see me as a safe trusted figure and will often confide in me about things that bother them- I like that trust and would not want to jeopardise these very special relationships because they are great kids and I am the reliable guy to turn to when life sucks. > > My goal is to get close to my work colleague - Having read some of the posts I thought maybe A314, TUTH and IH ? I realise you may think she has put me in the friend slot and this is a possibility, but I hope not. A very warm welcome to the forum . Thanks for posting here & sharing your story with us. Congratulations for your courage an spirit. Your story is very inspiring and lovable. I am impressed. You already must be having the vibe A 314 creates. And IH is the one which makes deeper bonds and makes the wearer a known person of long times. So start with IO, so she open up with you and feels comfortable in conversation and go on to IH gradually. Use TUTH as a stand alone or mix with any of above to build sexual attraction. AMMO and TUTH will also make a great mix. And IS is celebrity status, so use this one around your lady love. she will think of you as special one. Once you get hold of how they work for you, you may start mixing on your own based on your goals and situations. Pls do tell us how it goes for you. I am here to read your posts. Ask us anything more you would like yo be answered. I am sure many male members will help you more then you can think. Keep us posted. Thanks once again and happy moning. ---
**Author:** ![kryha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e79b87/32.png) [@kryha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kryha23)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/3 "2017-11-09T21:47:37Z")
Hi. Start with instant Shine as solo. See how she reacts. After that start to add one by one of the recommend products by Gracious. It all will depend from what would be for you a “next stage”… 😎 ---
**Author:** ![evander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/2bfe46/32.png) [@evander](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evander)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 11:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/4 "2017-11-09T23:31:00Z")
Thank you Gracious and Kryha for your suggestions - I haven’t ordered anything yet - because I did not want to get the wrong/unsuitable item that might end up with a negative result and spoil the relationship- after a long time she is like sunshine in my life - don’t want to turn it to cloudy and rain - if you see what I mean. Do you think maybe I should buy the newbie pack of Ultimate [Pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) Introduction Pack for Men (UPIP)- it gives a good variety and once I have figured out the combination that works best I can get a larger bottle? If yes and the pack is made up of the below items,- then which combinations and quantities should I start with and how would I vary and mix them? Sorry for appearing very ignorant, but this is a bit like rocket science for an out of touch oldie! UPIP is made up of : A314 Spray, Ammo,Turn up the Heat,Shine 2X, Gentleman,Openness, Honesty 2X, MX297 Thank you once again for your advice. ---
**Author:** ![datadragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/datadragon/32/1252_2.png) [@datadragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/datadragon)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 12:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/5 "2017-11-10T00:48:37Z")
Hello Evander, So you are… Back in the saddle again! so to speak… As we age our pheromone levels drop and we can handle higher amounts of them. As women age they also respond to higher levels as well… The Men’s pack has togo sizes with 40 sprays of each, and does give everything to test out to see what works so that is of course one option. As a new user in a day or two someone from Androtics is going to post and send you a $25 gift card you can use for your first order as well so that will certainly help. Ammo Cologne (not Summer) is an all around general attraction product that has social, status, and sexual properties, but usable pretty much anywhere. At your age the 2x will be the one to get. The cologne also is strong and this will put more pheromones and less cologne per spray so you dont become ‘the cologne guy’. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) adds self confidence, puts you and everyone in a great mood, some energy, and a nice healthy young glow.. This can be added on to the ammo at the same time to enhance the attraction. Tuth is a sexual enhancer, and can be added when the date is going well or after comfort is established to ‘turn up the heat’ and get her more sexually interested. This should be effective at your age to ignite libidos, Possibly turning those friends into something more… It sounded like you are a larger guy and therefore have some of the social nols already being produced at higher rates and just more trouble seeing you sexually. If that is the case, the above three is probably good choices… ---
**Author:** ![kryha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e79b87/32.png) [@kryha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kryha23)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 10:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/6 "2017-11-10T10:42:38Z")
> [@evander](#): > > Thank you Gracious and Kryha for your suggestions - I haven’t ordered anything yet - because I did not want to get the wrong/unsuitable item that might end up with a negative result and spoil the relationship- after a long time she is like sunshine in my life - don’t want to turn it > to cloudy and rain - if you see what I mean. > > Do you think maybe I should buy the newbie pack of Ultimate Pheromone Introduction Pack for Men (UPIP)- it gives a good variety and once I have figured out the combination that works best I can get a larger bottle? > > If yes and the pack is made up of the below items,- then which combinations and quantities should I start with and how would I vary and mix them? Sorry for appearing very ignorant, but this is a bit like rocket science for an out of touch oldie! > > UPIP is made up of : A314 Spray, Ammo,Turn up the Heat,Shine 2X, Gentleman,Openness, Honesty 2X, MX297 > > Thank you once again for your advice. Hi, When I tested some small to go bottles I noticed that I required more juice to actually find out what it does. But you are right, the pack might be better for you cost wise. Better than buying full bottles and finding out it is not for you. Goodluck! ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 11:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/7 "2017-11-10T11:50:59Z")
Welcome to PheromoneTalk, evander. Your intro GC is now in your email. 🙂 Your initial choice of mones are perfect, considering your age. I have to recommend the IShine in addition to those. Happy Pheroing! 🙂 ================== _ **Disclosure:** I’ve edited your thread title from **“Hello - older guy could do with your expertise”** to **“Hello - [Pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) for Getting Closer to a Woman I Like? M/60/UK”** for topic clarity and forum readability. It’ll also generate more “reads” to your thread. If you want to opt-out simply let me know. Thank you!_ ---
**Author:** ![Gracious](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gracious/32/2247_2.png) [@Gracious](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gracious)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/8 "2017-11-10T15:40:47Z")
> [@evander](#): > > Thank you Gracious and Kryha for your suggestions - I haven’t ordered anything yet - because I did not want to get the wrong/unsuitable item that might end up with a negative result and spoil the relationship- after a long time she is like sunshine in my life - don’t want to turn it > to cloudy and rain - if you see what I mean. > > Do you think maybe I should buy the newbie pack of Ultimate Pheromone Introduction Pack for Men (UPIP)- it gives a good variety and once I have figured out the combination that works best I can get a larger bottle? > > If yes and the pack is made up of the below items,- then which combinations and quantities should I start with and how would I vary and mix them? Sorry for appearing very ignorant, but this is a bit like rocket science for an out of touch oldie! > > UPIP is made up of : A314 Spray, Ammo,Turn up the Heat,Shine 2X, Gentleman,Openness, Honesty 2X, MX297 > > Thank you once again for your advice. Hi Evander, Answering some of your concerns here. Start: You should start with one spray of one product at a time. Be aware and see what it does to your mood feeling and thoughts. You can start at home of any social place. Then after an hour or so add another spray. Application spots: Good spots are the same you use your perfumes on. Neck, sides of neck, behind ear, throat, chest, wrists, inner elbows. basically pulse points or where your skin is naturally warmer then rest of body skin to help diffusion. Finding sweet spot: This means how many sprays of a products works well for you. This in other words means finding your own dose of a product you are using. There are general guidelines for each products ideal no of sprays , one should use but you better find your own dose. EX- Use I Shine. it works good from 2 - 4 sprays, So for me 2 sprays are good but for you 3 or 4 could work best. my sweet spot is 2 sprays and yoor could be your number of sprays. MIXING: Mixing is nothing but wearing 2 or more products at a time. You need not to mix in a bottle or something. when you are through your initial stage of testing each product’s effects for you and know your sweet spot, you can easily go mixing. Again this for easy understanding -You can wear Ishine- on neck sides and IO on wrists and [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) on chest. So this will make your signature( cloud around you) of these three products. This is simply mixing the products you want to wear together and done on the skin. Hope i have answered. and other members have already answered your other concerns already. Happy moning . Do share your results. ---
**Author:** ![evander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/2bfe46/32.png) [@evander](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evander)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/9 "2017-11-10T16:44:41Z")
Thank you all and especially Gracious for a detailed explanation - I have received my GC and also been informed of a hiccup in the supply chain as Androtics are moving labs so there will be a delay of a few weeks in supply. Will order in the few days and wait for delivery and let you know how I get on. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/10 "2017-11-10T20:35:12Z")
At sixty, you won’t need to be too coy with your dosing and you should certainly consider at least the 2x or 5.0mcg versions of Ammo and TUTH. IMO the Ammo “[World Edition](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/world-edition/)” or FF22 scent is more mature-friendly than standard for Ammo. Stick to standard 6% Neroli for TUTH and invest in a good cologne and ditch any phero-destroying cheap skoosh/shower gel. Mature women do tend to tune-in to A314 on an attraction level a lot more strongly than younger women and as they age, they become much responsive to higher and more overt sexual (Androstenone) products. The more gentle social stuff gets lost in the middle, although its still useful. Personally I’d avoid using A314 and IO together like the plague - They very effectively confuse/counteract each other IME. IH is a much better companion for A314 and A314/IH is a superb combo in the workplace, for both professional and emotional status/engagement. If you want to make it more pleasantly conversational, add-in some IS to help steer the mix into feelgood/sharing territory. You can also get Honesty and Shine in oil now - which makes for a good complement to A314 in the workplace as the sprays of both last significantly less than A314 oil. And in relationship-building/professional situations, I’d rate A314 oil well above the sprays - Sprays are useful for try-out, the /b version is dosed so the sprays are similar to a drop of oil but none of them match the subtlety or longevity on the skin of an oil - which will be important in workplace exposure. Sprays are most useful where you need the maximum impact in the minimum time and hang the long-term effects. 🙂 I’d also suggest some P96 as an alternative to IH - it has a strong bonding/connecting quality and strange property of making women much more comfortable with emotional/arousal feelings and its “reset” qualities have also been the subject of much discussion here before. It is available in oil too but it lasts well enough as a spray - 10-12.5mcg is a good starting concentration to get testing with. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 12:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/11 "2017-11-11T12:19:53Z")
Welcome evander! You have a lot of suggestions and some good ones at that! I would look at the **Men’s Kit** like you mentioned so that there would not be any guesswork at all and this would be the best option economically to. This way you can see if which ones you like and work best for you and then reorder those in the bigger bottles down the road. I would start with the A314 and use this mainly for just about everything. At 60 I would actually consider using this for dating as well! This should be your main one without a doubt and should go over well for just about everything. So I would test at work and see how others react including this special women and see where it goes. Ammo is good for general attraction as well. Personally I have found for me and I am 38 that A314 seems to hit women 40+ really well over the Ammo. I would then consider IShine as it goes very well for work and dating to. Will give you a youthful vibrant glow and will boost your confidence and put everyone in a great mood. Also should help with this special women because she will view you as more youthful and like a man that still has got it especially when used with the A314. TUTH is also a must have. This one is highly sexual and a little goes a long way. Normally best used for bedroom use. I am only 38 and my favorite is to use a very small amount of this with the A314 and women over the 40+ range really love this! So the TUTH is a must have and what I would do is use your A314 and then try introducing the TUTH later on when you are with a woman and see where it goes. With you being 60 and her being 50 this should go well. I normally would never suggest something like this, but with your age and hers I think it would be ok as long as you keep the TUTH low in dose. Good luck and if you have any questions at all please post and good luck!!! ---
**Author:** ![evander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/2bfe46/32.png) [@evander](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evander)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 7:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/12 "2017-11-11T19:30:07Z")
You guys are awesome - thank you mobocaster and justintime for reading and replying to my post - your suggestions noted and I am placing an order today - hope there is not too long a wait for delivery - and will let you know how I get on ---
**Author:** ![evander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/2bfe46/32.png) [@evander](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evander)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2017, 11:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/13 "2017-11-12T11:16:33Z")
Bummer - after all that, they are out of stock of the UPIP Introduction pack and as it is only available to first timers and because I do not know when it will be back in stock, I have placed an order for the following- A314, TUTH, Ammo, IS double strength, and IH - not knowing how this phero thingy will work out, and also the high cost, I did not go for anymore as a first order. I see they have thrown in a freebie of P131 - don’t know what it is or how, when and what combination to use it with but hopefully some you kind people on the forum will enlighten me. Thanks again guys for all the info, I shall wait for the goodies to arrive and let you know, in due course, how I get on. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2017, 11:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/14 "2017-11-12T11:53:21Z")
You will still be able to get the UPIP at some other time - They are pretty sensible about applying their offers. That’s a good range of products for a mature man to start with, so I wouldn’t worry to much. P131 is an experimental product that AD hope you will test and report back-on without any reference to other people - That way they get the best data on its properties. ---
**Author:** ![evander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/2bfe46/32.png) [@evander](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evander)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/15 "2017-11-12T13:50:30Z")
Thanks for the info mobocaster - will post an update in due course ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 8:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/16 "2017-11-13T08:35:35Z")
P131 is on of my favorites and will go very well with what you have ordered. The whole idea behind the freebie is to test and report back as that is what drives the research for new things. P131 is more social and has many sides to it and I have found 5-15MCG is all that is needed, but test everything with it. ---
**Author:** ![evander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/2bfe46/32.png) [@evander](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evander)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2017, 1:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/17 "2017-11-18T13:02:36Z")
Ordered these a week ago and still in processing? How long does it usually take to despatch, I was under the impression orders are sent out straightaway. ---
**Author:** ![datadragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/datadragon/32/1252_2.png) [@datadragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/datadragon)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2017, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/18 "2017-11-18T13:54:45Z")
> [@evander](#): > > Ordered these a week ago and still in processing? > How long does it usually take to despatch, I was under the > impression orders are sent out straightaway. On the androtics store, click Secure Login link on the left side under LOGIN. Then after logging in, on the right side click Orders & Tracking. Just click search button on the dates page to see all your orders. See if the order is there and processing. If so the order was received ok. If not you should contact them to open a support ticket. In North America, 1-800-671-6464 Internationally, +01 425-786-2001 It mentions they are short of customer support so there may be delay in answering, as well as backlogged on getting orders out since they had to remake products… Hopefully they will get things back together very soon and keep us updated as I did receive my orders timely just prior to them moving a few weeks ago. This is just related to moving problems they didnt anticipate it seems. ---
**Author:** ![evander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/2bfe46/32.png) [@evander](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evander)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/19 "2017-11-19T23:01:00Z")
Thanks, I have checked and the order has been received and they have taken the money. I posted on here because I also logged on to the website and posted a ticket, which was acknowledged as received on the website, but shown as a bounce in my email- I submitted a second ticket and that also went through in the same way and then appeared as a bounce - so it seems you cannot email them. I’ll wait a day or so - perhaps Dee will pick up on this thread. ---
**Author:** ![evander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/2bfe46/32.png) [@evander](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evander)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 11:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-pheromones-for-getting-closer-to-a-woman-i-like-m-60-uk/67478/20 "2017-11-20T23:19:09Z")
Yep, as anticipated the good guys at Androtics have indeed responded - just received an email from Dee - all in hand - they have a huge backlog and trying to get orders filled - hope they despatch soon.