# Hello - Poet Looking for Pheromones to Get out of Friendzone, & for Attraction. M/36 **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [March 16, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-poet-looking-for-pheromones-to-get-out-of-friendzone-for-attraction-m-36/65768 "2016-03-16T22:51:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ThePoet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@ThePoet](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePoet)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-poet-looking-for-pheromones-to-get-out-of-friendzone-for-attraction-m-36/65768/1 "2016-03-16T22:51:55Z")
Hi everyone: I’m ThePoet. I just bought some Ammo and TUTH. I also have P122 as a free gift. Anyway, I think Ammo was working yesterday. I went to a poetry show and a woman in her 50s really chatted me up. This was 2 shots of Ammo to the neck and a shot of TUTH to the chest. I also had on 2 drops of PherX. She kept playing with her (she did this a lot) and talking to me for a half hour. I barely got to talk. I’m 36 and 5’7"…a lot shorter than her I might add. Today I wore 2 shots of Ammo to work (again on neck) and no TUTH. No women at work seemed to notice. No one on the train either. People talked to me, but not much. One of my flirty coworker’s flirted with me but she always does that a bit everyday anyway. So I think if I was being ghosted she would not have flirted today. I’m a pretty well known poet in these parts. I’m very social, but I am always seen as a friend by most women. I could stand to lose about thirty lbs, but I figured [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) might help me. I’ve gone out with a 29 yo nurse about three times now and we still haven’t kissed. She let me keep my arm around her last time, but it never went any farther. I’m fairly shy when it comes to dating. I just don’t know how to read the signals. Unless a woman makes the first move I’m usually just taking my time. Any suggestions? I think my natural mone production is dysfunctional, so I don’t see how I OD’d on Ammo with two sprays. This is Ammo 1x. I’m thinking of buying some A314 and IS. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-poet-looking-for-pheromones-to-get-out-of-friendzone-for-attraction-m-36/65768/2 "2016-03-16T23:00:13Z")
Hi Poet friend, Welcome to this forum. It is recommended you try each product solo first to get acquainted with its effects. Then, find your optimal dose for each products. After that, it’s time to perform some basic two-components mixes. You should stick to AD products in the beginning. If you use third-party product now, it will be difficult for us to help you tune up. It seems you got indicators of interest, which is nice. Pheromones are not magic, you have to play your part for them to work to the fullest. On the train or at work, be approachable, be outgoing. Look at the ladies. Smile. Have you been ghosted, I wouldn’t think so. How old are you? You should get IS to boost your mood an other people’s as well. Get Instant gentleman to help part with the shyness / introvert thing. IG will also help the lady see you as someone wise and reliable, which might be a boost for an artist. For that special lady, get IH to establish a deeper relation conversationwise. And keep hititng her with a consistant signature of Ammo. You will be eligible to a 25$ gift certificate for your next buy if you haven’t had one yet. Please consider starting a journal in the men’s section where you can compile your experiences and receive direct advice from experienced users of this friendly community. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@ThePoet](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePoet)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-poet-looking-for-pheromones-to-get-out-of-friendzone-for-attraction-m-36/65768/3 "2016-03-16T23:42:48Z")
I am 36. I’ve had a history of low testosterone, but I’ve finally gotten it up to 475, which is not high but is in the normal range. I’m sure the low testosterone had an effect on my mone production. I’ve had much better luck with women since I raised it with Mucuna Pruriens and DIM. Now that I’m doing better in that area I’m hoping the Androtics mones can help me out. Thanks for the suggestions, Conjurator. I can’t wait to get my gift certificate and place another order. Poet ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 12:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-poet-looking-for-pheromones-to-get-out-of-friendzone-for-attraction-m-36/65768/4 "2016-03-17T00:29:24Z")
The gift certificate will be sent in your email by one of the forum moderators. It usually takes a day or two. Good luck 🙂. I’ll be on the lookout for that future journal of yours. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 2:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-poet-looking-for-pheromones-to-get-out-of-friendzone-for-attraction-m-36/65768/5 "2016-03-17T02:39:21Z")
Hey Poet, Conjurator took good care of you there. I wanted to say hello and let you know that I’m glad to see a fellow poet here. I’m not actually a poet, but I enjoy reading and reciting poetry. I agree with Conjurator that you didn’t get ghosted. Given your testosterone levels, I think you didn’t have enough androstenone during the second episode. TUTH will definitely augment the androstenone in Ammo. So definitely consider using TUTH in conjunction with Ammo. I’ve also used PherX. I think I’ve used it twice. I didn’t notice anything significant compared to AD’s products. I also agree with Conjurator’s recommendation of [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/). It might have match your overall persona, especially if you’re the sort that likes to take your time with women. Use it with Ammo and TUTH, and you’ll probably be melting women’s hearts when you recite you poems to them. Anyway, consider starting a journal of your experiences. It’ll be a good way to figure out what worked and what didn’t. You can also get feedback from other users to figure out what you could do differently, depending on the situation. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-poet-looking-for-pheromones-to-get-out-of-friendzone-for-attraction-m-36/65768/6 "2016-03-17T14:48:27Z")
Welcome to PheromoneTalk, Poet! 🙂 I have a PM or you. Kindly check it out. 🙂 Happy Pheroing! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ThePoet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@ThePoet](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePoet)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-poet-looking-for-pheromones-to-get-out-of-friendzone-for-attraction-m-36/65768/7 "2016-03-17T15:46:55Z")
Do you think I should wear more than one spray of TUTH? Or would that be too much? (especially if I’m also wearing [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)?) > [@HankBuddy](#): > > Hey Poet, > > Conjurator took good care of you there. I wanted to say hello and let you know that I’m glad to see a fellow poet here. I’m not actually a poet, but I enjoy reading and reciting poetry. > > I agree with Conjurator that you didn’t get ghosted. Given your testosterone levels, I think you didn’t have enough androstenone during the second episode. TUTH will definitely augment the androstenone in Ammo. So definitely consider using TUTH in conjunction with Ammo. > > I’ve also used PherX. I think I’ve used it twice. I didn’t notice anything significant compared to AD’s products. > > I also agree with Conjurator’s recommendation of Instant Gentleman. It might have match your overall persona, especially if you’re the sort that likes to take your time with women. Use it with Ammo and TUTH, and you’ll probably be melting women’s hearts when you recite you poems to them. > > Anyway, consider starting a journal of your experiences. It’ll be a good way to figure out what worked and what didn’t. You can also get feedback from other users to figure out what you could do differently, depending on the situation. > > Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-poet-looking-for-pheromones-to-get-out-of-friendzone-for-attraction-m-36/65768/8 "2016-03-17T16:07:05Z")
IMO, the best bet is to always start low with TUTH and increase if need be. There is a risk of coming out too strong with that one. At 36, 2 sprays of TUTH should not be out of your reach, but proceed gradually, it’s better. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2016, 1:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-poet-looking-for-pheromones-to-get-out-of-friendzone-for-attraction-m-36/65768/9 "2016-03-19T01:04:43Z")
Welcome Poet, The older woman responded really well because as women age them respond better to stronger sexual mixes they call this being overt and you used more a sexually overt signature. That is why you got the response you did and I am 36 and have worn the same amount of None as the mix you used and got the same results, so no worries this is about right. Now that mix would be to strong for a 25-30 year old woman. At 30 women start changing where they respond better to sexually overt signatures. So what happened here is they were probably a little intimidated and you got ghosted. What I would do is wear 1 at a time for now and I would go with Ammo. For 20-30 1-3 sprays should be about right and would experiment with that. I think Ammo is the easiest to use and you should do fine. I would try 2 sprays and go out with the nurse lady again and see what happens. I will be the first to admit it took me a long time to get a grasp on this as I use to wear way to much None also when first starting out and got those same results. Just try the 1-3 sprays of Ammo over a week and you will see. ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-poet-looking-for-pheromones-to-get-out-of-friendzone-for-attraction-m-36/65768/10 "2016-03-20T16:34:36Z")
Hello Poet. 🙂 Thank you for responding to my PM. Your GC is now in your inbox. 🙂 Cool recommendations you have here by the way 🙂 Happy Pheroing! 🙂 ========== _ **Disclosure:** I’ve edited your thread title from **“Hello - not sure if I’m using Ammo right”** to **“Hello - Poet Looking for Pheromones to Get out of Friendzone, & for Attraction. M/36”** for topic clarity and forum readability. It’ll also generate more “reads” to your thread. If you want to opt-out simply let me know. Thank you!_ ---
**Author:** ![ThePoet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@ThePoet](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePoet)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-poet-looking-for-pheromones-to-get-out-of-friendzone-for-attraction-m-36/65768/11 "2016-03-20T17:39:01Z")
I have tried wearing just 1-4 sprays of AMMO and I get no results from Ammo. I think Ammo may not work for me which makes me sad because I bought 2 bottles. I just bought some A314, Instant Shine, and [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) to see if I get better results. I won’t wear them all at once. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 12:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-poet-looking-for-pheromones-to-get-out-of-friendzone-for-attraction-m-36/65768/12 "2016-03-21T12:48:48Z")
Hi ThePoet, It’s a little early to call it quits with Ammo 🙂. I suggest you start a journal in the men’s section about your experiences so that we can follow your progress and provide continuous advice, for Ammo and other products you have ordered. For each try, indicate the number of sprays of which product and the point of application. Plus tell a bit a the day’s experience If you haven’t read it yet, I suggest you have a look at this thread about IOIs (indicators of interest), it will show you what to look for to assess effects. > [@How to Tell a Woman is Interested In You -- The Master "Indicators of Interest List"](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-tell-a-woman-is-interested-in-you-the-master-indicators-of-interest-list/8333): > > Multiple looks. Women have much better If you catch us looking at you more than once, it’s probably becuse we’re attracted and we can’t help it. You catching us looking at all. Women look at you fast. If you catch us looking at you, this may be because we’re attracted. Not always (I get horrified when I see someone catching me looking when I’m not actually interested), but often. You guys have muscle, but we have social muscles. WHen you catch us being less than discreet, we often mean it and/… Does Ammo make you feel some self-effects? If so, which ones? Hope to read your journal soon. ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-poet-looking-for-pheromones-to-get-out-of-friendzone-for-attraction-m-36/65768/13 "2016-11-19T01:06:00Z")
Hi! I see you’ve already placed an order and used your GC. Hope you received it all fine. 🙂 Don’t forget to share your test results my friend. You can create your own journal [here](https://pheromonetalk.com/c/men-s-journals/22) to keep notes of your dosages and usages, plus its different effects, including those you consider a “failure”. Journal helps a lot. It’s your own phero time machine. For further questions, you can also create your own help-seeking thread [here](https://pheromonetalk.com/c/men-s-pheromone-advice-tricks-and-tips/45). Expert [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) users usually browse this area. 🙂 Also, you should drop some feedback about your p\_\_ usage. We would love to hear how those precious molecules worked out for you. 🙂 You must send your feedback at [feedback@androtics.com](mailto:feedback@androtics.com) (Always enter p# in Subject Line). **You might just qualify for a Reporting User status by doing so. 🙂** Also, please drop a feedback here or via PM about how the shipping goes for you. Thanks! Chat soon!