# Hello! **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [March 3, 2012, 12:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/54789 "2012-03-03T12:55:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![needsomehelp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@needsomehelp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/needsomehelp)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2012, 12:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/54789/1 "2012-03-03T12:55:51Z")
Middle aged guy in need of some help!!! LOL!!! From the midwest, average looking guy, no trouble with the ladies once they get to know me, but that is the stumbling block! :o Came here looking for the edge I need! ---
**Author:** ![MikeMan22](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikeman22/32/332_2.png) [@MikeMan22](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MikeMan22)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2012, 1:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/54789/2 "2012-03-03T13:02:58Z")
Hello and welcome to the forum!! Tell us a bit about yourself, your personality etc. Tell us how you learned about [pheromones](https://a314.com/), and how you found this site. Some different ideas for you are Ammo, for attraction. Instant shine helps with good moods and confidence, IO helps people open up, and IH is great for deep conversation. If you are looking for trust and loyalty, look into A314 or IG. Hope this helps ---
**Author:** ![needsomehelp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@needsomehelp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/needsomehelp)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2012, 1:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/54789/3 "2012-03-03T13:13:34Z")
OK, here it goes! This one might blow your minds a little bit! Ready?.. My girlfriend and I belong to a swingers club. You say “then what the hell does this guy need with Pheros for?” Not the case! This environment is highly competitive for the guys, and the woman are in control of what happens, when it happens, IF it happens! Yes, just like the clubs and bars! LOL! While the atmosphere is highly charged and highly sexual, it is not a free ticket to play. My problem is I am newer to it by far than my girlfriend, and am competing against old pros at it. They are comfortable being very aggressive while I am not at that point yet. I have been going to this club with her for about 2 months, (about 5 visits) without success. Hell, I have had much better success in a regular club! lol! About me: Normal mid 40’s guy, not in bad shape (average, not a muscleman but not a fat guy either) a little on the shy side (biggest problem there!) and thought I would do some research on here to see if it would help! ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/54789/4 "2012-03-03T13:43:29Z")
Hello and welcome to the forum. This is kind of a first - and I am glad that you got a little more specific as my recommendations based on your first post. OK - highly charged environment with a lot of aggressive guys. This is something I normally do not do but you need to go with TUTH and IO. I would try for double strength with both. TUTH gives off a very raw sexual vibe. Very strong. sometimes a turn-off for women even going clubbing but int his case it will work. IO helps with those intial chatty conversations. It will not do the work for you but it will help if you get the conversations going. It will make the TUTH seem a little friendlier but not less weak. It will make you come across as strong but not frightening. ---
**Author:** ![MikeMan22](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikeman22/32/332_2.png) [@MikeMan22](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MikeMan22)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/54789/5 "2012-03-03T13:43:29Z")
I am thinking some instant shine will help with the confidence, and maybe due to the sexually charged environment, maybe you can try out some TUTH. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) would work also. ---
**Author:** ![needsomehelp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@needsomehelp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/needsomehelp)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 10:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/54789/6 "2012-03-05T10:32:07Z")
Thanks for the comments guys! Did not respond this weekend because i was at the swing club all weekend and did not have internet access! I will read up more about the TUTH and instant shine, and will probably start a new thread in the regular forum section about it as well just to get some more feedback. ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/54789/7 "2012-03-06T14:40:54Z")
Welcome to pherotalk Needsomehelp! That is the first for real and very interesting. I have to admit I am not sure if I would partake in anything like that but i’d sure like to be a spectator to see what goes on in stuff like that. I definitely feel that in a highly sexual environment like that were you need more aggression. Products like tuth , jerk and some socials should do the trick. Oh my goodness, open up a very detailed, delicious diary about it…lol _ **Your gc was issued!** _