# Hello! **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 9:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117 "2012-04-01T21:20:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![WhoRU56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e79b87/32.png) [@WhoRU56](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WhoRU56)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 9:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117/1 "2012-04-01T21:20:45Z")
My name’s Andrew. I’m 23 Years old and I live in Massachusetts. There’s a gal that I’ve fallen for and I want some help, lets say, breaking through her barriers. She has had a tough life (some not so nice boyfriends) and I want her to trust me a little more. I know I can show her that guys can be good, i just need help getting through her initial barriers to give me that chance to show her. I’m wondering if anyone here can give me a bit of good advice. Obviously the “instant openness” pheromone could help me here, but can anyone give me advice on how much to use, when to use it (what social situation is best?) and if there are other [pheromones](https://a314.com/) I might want to consider combining it with? Also, I’d love that $25 gift certificate to help me out. 😉 Thanks in advance to anyone that wants to give me some advice! ---
**Author:** ![looifookmeng](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8baadc/32.png) [@looifookmeng](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/looifookmeng)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 9:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117/2 "2012-04-01T21:30:08Z")
Hi there Andrew, Thats cool that youve found a girl that you like.Would be difficult to break through her barriers if she had a hard life before.If your ready to make the effort,then i think instant gentleman and instant honesty would probably be the best ones for you.The instant gentleman would give her an impression that your a reliable and trustworthy guy and the instant honesty would make her feel more comfortable around you and she will be more likely to open up to you.Still will be mostly you helping her to open up though,the pheromones just help make it easier(^\_^) Instant openness is pretty good too but its more for when your hanging out with friends to get them to become more chatty and talk more.Could be useful in this case but i think the above combo is usually better for breaking down barriers if she is already on speaking terms with you.If she isnt,you can start with instant gentleman+instant openness and transition to instant gentleman+instant honesty when she is a bit more comfortable talking to you.As for how much to use for them,it actually depends on your own body chemistry so you would have to try and see.2 sprays is usually a good starting point though.Youll have to wait for mickaelia to check your thread in a couple of days to issue your gift certificate so would do some reading in the meantime.Dont hesitate to ask if you want to know anything. All the best and hope things go well for you(^\_^) ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 9:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117/3 "2012-04-01T21:39:27Z")
Welcome to the forum, andy. Glad you could stop in and start up an intro thread. Many people come by window shopping but never come in and just talk. Good thing you did. You got some great help from looifookmeng. See? If you hadn’t had posted, he couldn’t have provided such insight. I do like the IH in the equation along with IG to get a cool, leader, can be respected vibe. The IH to get intimate convo’s like have a feeling of a long time friend. Sometimes, if you’ve known the person a long time, you may get some VERY Direct Responses from the IH, like a brutal openness that you have to adjust to… It can be done, just keep in mind that it MAY happen. Thanks again for stopping in. I ask that you start up a journal to get more familiar with your mones and see how they work out. Great tool to understand their power and what they may not be able to do. ---
**Author:** ![redlion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8491ac/32.png) [@redlion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/redlion)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 10:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117/4 "2012-04-01T22:06:36Z")
Hey there Andrew! Welcome to the forums! What exactly do you mean by break through her initial barriers? Have you spoken with her? More than once? Or do you speak every day? It helps us to know exactly what you’re looking to do. If you’ve never been in a conversation past “hey, cool shoes” then yeah, IO would be a great starting point. On the other hand, if you have talked to her every day for the past month and you’re not getting there, a [social pheromone](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) like IO or IH might not be what you are looking for. If you’re somewhere in between (she knows who you are and you’ve spoken a couple of times) I would consider IH paired with a androstenone or androsterone product, such as IG or Ammo. Both are slightly sexually attractive without being strait up sexual (like TUTH) or overbearing (A314). As always, remember to test each product individually before combining them. And welcome to the forums once again! ---
**Author:** ![WhoRU56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e79b87/32.png) [@WhoRU56](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WhoRU56)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117/5 "2012-04-02T00:30:07Z")
Thanks for the responses guys! Yeah, we are very much on speaking terms. We are neighbors and talk on a daily basis. The problem is that she doesn’t want to open up to me, although she has (after she had a few shots of Whiskey) admitted that she likes me. She said she’s afraid to let people in because of her past. I really want that chance to show her we aren’t all bad, you know? To be clear, I don’t care that much about the sexual aspect of a relationship, that can wait… I just want her to be more comfortable around me to build trust and caring. ---
**Author:** ![looifookmeng](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8baadc/32.png) [@looifookmeng](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/looifookmeng)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117/6 "2012-04-02T00:49:31Z")
> [@andywho56](#): > > Thanks for the responses guys! Yeah, we are very much on speaking terms. We are neighbors and talk on a daily basis. The problem is that she doesn’t want to open up to me, although she has (after she had a few shots of Whiskey) admitted that she likes me. She said she’s afraid to let people in because of her past. I really want that chance to show her we aren’t all bad, you know? To be clear, I don’t care that much about the sexual aspect of a relationship, that can wait… I just want her to be more comfortable around me to build trust and caring. Hi again, If thats the case,i would definitely go with the instant gentleman+instant honesty combo.It will make her more comfortable around you and help to build trust,whether it transitions to a relationship or not would be up to you though.Although it will make her consider it,it will still depend on how you act and interact with her whether it becomes something more.Its always difficult to overcome the past though and will probably not be an easy road for you.I wish you the best of luck(^\_^) ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 5:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117/7 "2012-04-02T05:15:09Z")
I agree with the IG and IH. IG will give you a calm smooth alpha at rest kind of vibe. Non-threatening. Non blatantly sexual. It kind of gives off a Mr. Dependable, Mr. Provider feel. IH helps create feelings of connection and as a result often leads to deeper conversations. The two of these together sound like just what you need. Take your time with the sexual side. ---
**Author:** ![WhoRU56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e79b87/32.png) [@WhoRU56](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WhoRU56)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117/8 "2012-04-02T15:49:54Z")
This is really an awesome forum, guys! You’re very quick and helpful in your responses! I’ll try the combo of instant gentleman+instant honesty like you guys suggested. Time to wait for that gift certificate before I buy! 😉 You guys have been super helpful, feel free to add any more advice you have, I’ll be sure to post back my results! ---
**Author:** ![WhoRU56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e79b87/32.png) [@WhoRU56](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WhoRU56)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117/9 "2012-04-02T21:06:23Z")
I placed my order, but they’re sending it to the wrong address! I specified a different billing address and shipping address and payed the remainder of the money (after the gift cert.) with Paypal. Now they’re shipping it to my Paypal billing address! I sent them an e-mail and hopefully they will fix it. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![looifookmeng](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8baadc/32.png) [@looifookmeng](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/looifookmeng)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 9:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117/10 "2012-04-02T21:10:45Z")
> [@andywho56](#): > > I placed my order, but they’re sending it to the wrong address! I specified a different billing address and shipping address and payed the remainder of the money (after the gift cert.) with Paypal. Now they’re shipping it to my Paypal billing address! > > I sent them an e-mail and hopefully they will fix it. 😕 Thats a bit weird.They usually send it to the shipping address you specify for your account.Wouldnt worry too much,the customer service here is awesome and they should have you covered pretty quickly.If your worried that your stuff might be shipped before they get the email,might be a good idea to give them a call though. ---
**Author:** ![WhoRU56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e79b87/32.png) [@WhoRU56](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WhoRU56)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 9:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117/11 "2012-04-02T21:21:04Z")
I e-mailed them and called and left a message. I REALLY don’t want it shipped to my Paypal Billing Address, as my Ex’s dad lives in that apartment now… Speaking of that, when they ship, does it say anything like, “Androtics Direct” on the label or are they more discreet than that? ---
**Author:** ![looifookmeng](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8baadc/32.png) [@looifookmeng](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/looifookmeng)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 9:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117/12 "2012-04-02T21:28:24Z")
> [@andywho56](#): > > I e-mailed them and called and left a message. I REALLY don’t want it shipped to my Paypal Billing Address, as my Ex’s dad lives in that apartment now… Speaking of that, when they ship, does it say anything like, “Androtics Direct” on the label or are they more discreet than that? Hmm,k.Guess they might have closed the office for the day already.They usually answer the phone during business hours.That would suck if it gets shipped there if your ex’s dad is living there.Im sure they will get it sorted out though.Mickaelia and steve are awesome for customer service.Nah,it says APR and its in a pretty non-descript brown envelope.Nothing that would make them think your [buying pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117/13 "2012-04-03T16:16:28Z")
Welcome to pherotalk Andy! I received your voice mail message and your email and replied. I am not sure why you thought we were shipping it to the wrong address as we don’t change shipping addresses after it was entered by the client unless authorized by that client. I know exactly how she feels as this is my story only everyone who came along said they wanted to show me a different type of guy but did even worse and sometimes a girl just gets fed up. Once you get her to open up allow her to express her fears and certain things you may do that may make her feel this time is the same. This is not going to be easy and anytime you disappoint her during this period may result in her closing herself of. I also suggest that if you are 100% sure about this don’t find some reason to dump her as soon as she lets her guard down and you realize you got what you wanted as most men do. Good luck _ **Your gc was issued!** _ ---
**Author:** ![WhoRU56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e79b87/32.png) [@WhoRU56](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WhoRU56)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117/14 "2012-04-03T17:13:26Z")
Thank you Mickaelia, I got an e-mail from [service@paypal.com](mailto:service@paypal.com) saying: This charge will appear on your credit card statement as payment to PAYPAL \*ANDROTICS. **Merchant information** Androtics [support@androticsdirect.com](mailto:support@androticsdirect.com) [https://a314.com/](https://a314.com/) 800-671-6464 **Instructions to merchant** None provided **Shipping information** Andrew \*\*\*\*\* 25 \*\*\*\*\*\* Street \*\*\*\*, MA 01\*\*0 United States This address is wrong. It is my billing address, but not my shipping address. Did you ship it to the address with the house number 25 or 65? No worries and thank you for the advice about the girl. I have, believe it or not, never really cared about the sex in a relationship that much so no worries about getting what I want and dumping her. I refused to have sex with my last girlfriend for over a year because I wanted to be sure I loved her (she was my first, so I’m not likely to hold out that long again, but still). When I finally broke up with my ex after 4 years together I told her to stay living with me as long as she needed to before she moved out and did everything I could to make it go as easy on her as possible. I am still friends with both her and her sisters… I’m not your average guy. ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/55117/15 "2012-04-09T14:33:21Z")
Hey Andy… for order questions, you’ll get MUCH faster support by sending Androtics an email at [aprshipping@gmail.com](mailto:aprshipping@gmail.com). Check it out: [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/please-do-not-use-the-forum-or-pms-for-customer-service/36299/3](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/please-do-not-use-the-forum-or-pms-for-customer-service/36299/3) 🙂