# Hello **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [November 21, 2007, 8:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808 "2007-11-21T08:57:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Checkmate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Checkmate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Checkmate)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 8:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/1 "2007-11-21T08:57:51Z")
Hi everyone I’m in late 20. And I’m a loser!!! Totally! 100% loser, and keep losing! No GF, not even ever holding a girl’s hand. I can’t exactly understand the reason behind the losses, but I’m not stupid, honest person. The only problems are that I’m quite silent, but friendly person, opening too… I have just known about [Pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) actually from a link on thepiratebay torrents site. The Pheroline (Pheroline ®) And, I have ordered them without a second thoughts Continue to dig in further, I ordered another pack of Pherlure ([www.phelure.com](http://www.phelure.com)), just a few hours ago. Now I have found this forum, discovering 2 main points of the 2 products: Pheroline: Does have little effective Phelure: Strong Smell, but more like hit-n-run tactics, sometimes works, sometime don’t I’m just asking for a little advice in choosing the right product for a totally beginner (which is less than 24 hours). I have read many post and threads regarding the differences of pheromones, and its effect. But I just want to know which will works good for all every day situation (in school, in works, general public places etc…) from your experience. I’m thinking on pushing the order button now is: Ammunition, instant shine, instant female magicm instant openess. Can you suggest me which to try first (which you mostly use, and you feel most effective based on your experience) I have also awared of the spray or oil, I live in Montreal, which is cold and low humid, I think spray will do better. Thank you very much, and I really need your help!!! P.S If your advice really works, I won’t forgetm and I give you something special to say thank you, since I’m really desperated for my current situation now. (I also have been trying DoubleYourDating program, but didn’t help much though) ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 10:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/2 "2007-11-21T10:18:42Z")
Hello Checkmate Welcome to the forum 🙂 First off, you need to get rid of the loser attitude. I am a firm believer in “you are what you think” and if you keep thinking that it is all you will attract to yourself. That being said… Pherlure is hit or miss with alot of people. Most people dont see much results with it but there have been those who do so you really wont know how it works for you until you try it. I think [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) would be a very good start for you. Its a sexy mix that attracts attention. If you are quiet then get some IO. Most people get self effects from mones so this should help you as well as get people around your talking more. Ishine is also a great product and one of the highly recommended ones. Its a mood enhancer and just makes people feel really good when exposed to it. It also gos very well with ammo. If you have any questions please just ask. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 10:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/3 "2007-11-21T10:47:20Z")
Welcome. I think you’ll find a lot of interest here on the forum. Keep reading. Start with the sticky posts at the top of the men’s forum. A few questions. What race and culture are you? What would you like to get from [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) use? Are there aspects of yourself and the way you relate to people you want to change? What are they? Being silent does not have to be a problem. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 1:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/4 "2007-11-21T13:34:51Z")
Hey Checkmate, WELCOME! I will ditto Tisha on everything she said - The lady has an awesome understanding and comprehension of Androtics products, and even before getting to her reply, I was thinking along the same lines. The David D Double Your Dating e-book **WILL DEFINITELY HELP YOU IF YOU APPLY THE TECHNIQUES!** You might also look at his Inner Game series. You do also need to work on your self confidence too, as the only way you’re a loser is if you believe tht you are. Albert Einstien was a high school dropout and ridiculed by other scientists, until his theorys proved right! Anyway, we’ll all help make you feel better about yourself, and start WINNING with the girls! As far as whether to go with the sprays or oils, you are correct in thinking that sprays are better in low heat/humidity environments. Another difference is that sprays diffuse faster and don’t have quite the staying power of oils. Again, welcome to the forum, anything we can help you with, just ask. And Tisha, nice new avatar, but are we going less PG-13 now? Mark ---
**Author:** ![arney6273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c5a1d2/32.png) [@arney6273](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/arney6273)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 2:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/5 "2007-11-21T14:25:59Z")
in texas weather, does the sprays work well, or do i need to go with the oils ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 2:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/6 "2007-11-21T14:51:04Z")
Scott, this time of year the sprays will be fine, but come May or so, when we start creeping toward 100 degrees and 100% humidity and we’re all miserable, then you’re gonna want to look toward the oils ---
**Author:** ![Checkmate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Checkmate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Checkmate)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/7 "2007-11-21T18:24:34Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Hello Checkmate Welcome to the forum 🙂 > First off, you need to get rid of the loser attitude. I am a firm believer in “you are what you think” and if you keep thinking that it is all you will attract to yourself. I also believe that, however, changing my thought doesn’t change the story at all. I know I have to do something about that. > [@tisha23](#): > > That being said… Pherlure is hit or miss with alot of people. Most people dont see much results with it but there have been those who do so you really wont know how it works for you until you try it. I’ll try it, and will make a report > [@tisha23](#): > > I think Ammo would be a very good start for you. Its a sexy mix that attracts attention. If you are quiet then get some Instant Openness. Most people get self effects from pheromones so this should help you as well as get people around your talking more. Instant Shine is also a great product and one of the highly recommended ones. Its a mood enhancer and just makes people feel really good when exposed to it. It also gos very well with ammo. I think I’ll order Ammo, Instant Openess, and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) > [@tisha23](#): > > If you have any questions please just ask. I’ll need to try them all before asking more, thank you tisha > [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](#): > > Welcome. > I think you’ll find a lot of interest here on the forum. > Keep reading. Start with the sticky posts at the top of the men’s forum. > [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](#): > > A few questions. > > What race and culture are you? > > What would you like to get from pheromone use? Are there aspects of yourself and the way you relate to people you want to change? What are they? > > Being silent does not have to be a problem. I’m French Canadian, living in Montreal, QC Well, I’m hoping it will help me to get more eye contact, more conversation, and those will give me a chance to have a GF, or atleast give me a chance to find more about how to have one. 😃 Not a big problem, I’m just trying to find the real problem behind the whole matter Thank you Gone With The Wind > [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > Hey Checkmate, WELCOME! I will ditto Tisha on everything she said - The lady has an awesome understanding and comprehension of Androtics products, and even before getting to her reply, I was thinking along the same lines. Hopefully… I’ll see 😉 > [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > The David D Double Your Dating e-book **WILL DEFINITELY HELP YOU IF YOU APPLY THE TECHNIQUES!** You might also look at his Inner Game series. You do also need to work on your self confidence too, as the only way you’re a loser is if you believe tht you are. Albert Einstien was a high school dropout and ridiculed by other scientists, until his theorys proved right! It doesn’t work, or I’m not sure, but I’m trying to do everything I can now. May be I was lack of self confidence due to many failures in the past. But I’ll keep losing even more if more failures. > [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > Anyway, we’ll all help make you feel better about yourself, and start WINNING with the girls! Thank you > [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > As far as whether to go with the sprays or oils, you are correct in thinking that sprays are better in low heat/humidity environments. Another difference is that sprays diffuse faster and don’t have quite the staying power of oils. I’ll keep it in mind ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 11:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/8 "2007-11-21T23:44:03Z")
> [@Checkmate](#): > > …Well, I’m hoping it will help me to get more eye contact, more conversation, and those will give me a chance to have a GF, or atleast give me a chance to find more about how to have one… try ishine, ih, io. You still need to open the conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Checkmate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Checkmate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Checkmate)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/9 "2007-11-22T00:25:14Z")
Honestly, I’m also afraid that I will become rely on the pheromone instead. Have you been thinking that you cannot go out without a spray or two of any pheromones? Does it have any big negative impact on your life? ---
**Author:** ![Kitten](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kitten/32/1051_2.png) [@Kitten](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kitten)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 12:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/10 "2007-11-22T00:42:10Z")
Checkmate, hon, why so gloomy? If you continue with these thoughts, you are just going to prove yourself right. Which would suck! If I were there with you right now, I’d spray [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) all over the room. Get Instant Shine, maybe 2X strength, Come Talk to Me 2, and Ammunition. To answer your question, I frequently take breaks from wearing pheromones, but I do like to have them available. ---
**Author:** ![boss141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbce88/32.png) [@boss141](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/boss141)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 1:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/11 "2007-11-22T01:26:53Z")
I say, use the pheromones that Tisha recommended and also get urself a copy of “The Mystery Method” by Mystery. It takes practice to build the confidence and get techniques down right…like anything, practice makes perfect. Keep trying and work on ur mistakes…even Jordan had to sacrafice a year and practice his ass off to make the team, and last i checked, he’s the greatest ball player of all time. ---
**Author:** ![DrZorters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47c2d/32.png) [@DrZorters](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DrZorters)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/12 "2007-11-22T01:47:38Z")
Checkmate, I look at it like leaving the house without brushing your teeth. You might not have anybody notice you did not brush your teeth before you left your house, but you might run into a situation where you really wish you did brush your teeth before you left the house. In a way, only a negative can come from not wearing your pheromones as long as you don’t OD. DrZorters ---
**Author:** ![Checkmate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Checkmate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Checkmate)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 2:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/13 "2007-11-22T02:26:02Z")
> [@Kitten](#): > > Checkmate, hon, why so gloomy? May be this is the consequence of being lost all the time. I don’t really know lol > [@Kitten](#): > > If you continue with these thoughts, you are just going to prove yourself right. Which would suck! If I were there with you right now, I’d spray Instant Shine all over the room. No, I want to put an end to this, so that’s why I spending years to get me out of this miserable state, one of them was to read the DoubleYourDating. And now I’m checking on the Pheromones > [@Kitten](#): > > Get Instant Shine, maybe 2X strength, Come Talk to Me 2, and Ammunition. To answer your question, I frequently take breaks from wearing pheromones, but I do like to have them available. LoL I’m 20, so I think 1X strength is enough (unless my miserable thoughts are counted for!!!). I’m waiting for them, patiently… So, I will get [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), Ammunition as for beginners. But still, I’m thinking about the bad side, you know, relying on something instead of just be yourself eh… 😃 I think I’ll try not to abuse it. Thanks for your advice, Kitten. ---
**Author:** ![Checkmate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Checkmate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Checkmate)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 2:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/14 "2007-11-22T02:35:51Z")
> [@boss141](#): > > I say, use the pheromones that Tisha recommended and also get urself a copy of “The Mystery Method” by Mystery. Actually, I don’t intend to bring anyone on the bed using pheromones 😃 I just want them to give me a chance… so pheromones helps me to catch the initial attraction. > [@boss141](#): > > It takes practice to build the confidence and get techniques down right…like anything, practice makes perfect. Keep trying and work on ur mistakes…even Jordan had to sacrafice a year and practice his ass off to make the team, and last i checked, he’s the greatest ball player of all time. True, and I’m gonna try them when I have them. Thank you boss141 > [@DrZorters](#): > > Checkmate, I look at it like leaving the house without brushing your teeth. You might not have anybody notice you did not brush your teeth before you left your house, but you might run into a situation where you really wish you did brush your teeth before you left the house. In a way, only a negative can come from not wearing your pheromones as long as you don’t OD. DrZorters Hmm.. Ok, I’m about to afraid now, since I’m not going to use pheromones forever… To me, it is just a temporarily solution, and being addictive to pheromones however, just like being addictive to gambling (a chemical solution is being produced when gambling) Personally, I don’t want to rely on something, so I’ll try not to abuse it. Thanks for your advice. DrZorters ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 10:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/15 "2007-11-25T22:11:12Z")
Welcome to the forum my friend. I am going to go against conventional wisdom here and tell you pheromones are not going to help you. There’s no reason why you should waste money on them IMHO they will not help you in your quest for greatness. “Quest for greatness,” you ask? Yes. Every man is on a quest for greatness and sometimes we go at it alone. The road can be bumpy, overgrown, dark and lonely. It makes me shiver knowing that sometimes it’s only me (and you) and there is nothing or no one that is going to help me. Oh wait there is me and although I am alone I know that if I believe and do what i know I can do in my heart, in my soul I will achieve whatever it is I set out to do, I will get it done. Sounds like everybody here has already offered the coddling you want and feel as if you need, but I’m going to step up and tell you something you need to hear. Before I do I want you to know where I’m coming from. I’ve been through the depths of hell my friend. Been on the bottom of the barrel, been where I never held a girls hand, watched the love of my life love others while I was just her friend to talk about her love life with. Wanna know what I learned from that? I learned that throwing yourself a pity party is foolish and a waste of time. Nobody cares and nobody is going to change your life. There’s no magic formulas, no genie in the bottle. Nope, there’s only you. Only you to change your life and only you can pull yourself up and make those changes that are needed to do that. Get up man and make those changes. You already know what you have to do. So do it man and make it happen for yourself. Pheromones work and will work for you too but I believe you need to find it within yourself to allow the results to be seen. Read Psycho-Cybernetics by Maxwell Maltz. He’s a Plastic Surgeon and his life lessons are intriguing and are right along the lines of where you are in life. When you’re ready to live life and start allowing yourself happiness I have a GC that’s burning a hole inside your email. I’m sending it over with a box of rotten apples with one good one inside. Pick out the good one quick and don’t let the rotten apples surrounding it on all sides get to it and spoil it too. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 10:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/16 "2007-11-25T22:46:57Z")
> [@SteveO](#): > > Welcome to the forum my friend. I am going to go against conventional wisdom here and tell you pheromones are not going to help you. There’s no reason why you should waste money on them IMHO they will not help you in your quest for greatness. > > Sounds like everybody here has already offered the coddling you want and feel as if you need, but I’m going to step up and tell you something you need to hear. > > When you’re ready to live life and start allowing yourself happiness I have a GC that’s burning a hole inside your email. Got to hand it to you SteveO, you got the point across that I tip-toed around with a straight forward smack in the face reality check. Then anchored the harsh reality with some excellent advice! I applaud you for telling him that he needs to work on himself, before [buying pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/), and think this thread should be referred to every new member who questions the legitimacy of pheromones. You basically told him that spending money with Androtics or any other phero supplier would be a waste of money at this point, and I can think of no better way to prove to new members that Androtics and the forum members are out for their best interests and will provide true and real help. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 11:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/17 "2007-11-25T23:06:53Z")
> [@](#): > > Ok, I’m about to afraid now, since I’m not going to use pheromones forever… To me, it is just a temporarily solution, and being addictive to pheromones however, just like being addictive to gambling (a chemical solution is being produced when gambling) Oh good lord your not going to get addicted to it anymore then I am addicted to my push up bra. Mones will help enhance your persona. If you are willing to put forth a effort for change as SteveO so rudely (snort) but correctly suggested and you use the mones which will help boost your confidence and attract attention you will get out of this rut. The universe gives you what you want and if your go around believing that your a loser then thats what it thinks you want so thats what it gives you. Call me crazy but I am one of those annoying people who tends to be right all the time.😃 Just by thinking it you are projecting it to everyone around you. Defiantly get the book SteveO suggested. Do a search on him he suggested some more good ones around in the forum to. I believe this situation calls for a complete makeover. 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 11:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/18 "2007-11-25T23:13:29Z")
I might have been rude, but by all things Pink and Squishy, the girl I loved, Melissa, broke my heart when she told me to get over the pity party, get my life together and that I blew any chance with her ever because I was acting like a wuss and she needed a man, not a wuss. Harsh maybe, but all the same true. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 11:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/19 "2007-11-25T23:39:21Z")
AWWW Hugs ((((((SteveO)))))) Your gonna take my honey buns away at the morning meetings again arent you ? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 11:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808/20 "2007-11-25T23:41:19Z")
Aww shucks, you know I’m a big softy. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello/6808.md?page=2)