# Help a brother out? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 30, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-a-brother-out/32026 "2009-08-30T02:11:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![newguy1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b38774/32.png) [@newguy1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/newguy1)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-a-brother-out/32026/1 "2009-08-30T02:11:02Z")
Alright, we’re at the end of day three, and as of yet we have no hits whatsoever. I’ve been loading up on each of the sprays progressively as the day goes on, but to no avail. I’ve used the same cocktail of Alpha, IS, [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and sometimes TUTH, in varying social and business situations, and as of yet have seen no results. I’m no quitter, but I’d sure appreciate a little wisdom from the vets here. Is there something I might be doing wrong? Some variable I’m overlooking that may be dampening the effect of the products? I’ve studied nonverbal communication, so I’m a fairly adept observer of social response, and I’m confident that I’m not just ‘missing the signals’. Can anybody help a brother out? BTW, you can see my original journal entries here [A new guy's story: my journey into pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-guys-story-my-journey-into-pheromones/31961) ---
**Author:** ![reddog](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reddog/32/2091_2.png) [@reddog](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/reddog)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 3:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-a-brother-out/32026/2 "2009-08-30T03:44:16Z")
What is your age and where are you testing? ---
**Author:** ![Jusah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jusah/32/894_2.png) [@Jusah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jusah)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 3:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-a-brother-out/32026/3 "2009-08-30T03:46:27Z")
Are you completely new to using [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/)? If so, its a good idea to test each alone for the first time at least, and with a small amount, there is a OD effect, if you use too much at one time it might scare away people, or they might act as if you’re not wearing anything at all. Also, you need to make sure you wash off the sticky pheromones everyday by showering, and not reusing shirts. To make sure you’re not getting the OD effect, which some people have learned the hard way.Also be sure you’re using the right pheromones in the right situations, although you sound like you know what you’re doing. ---
**Author:** ![newguy1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b38774/32.png) [@newguy1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/newguy1)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-a-brother-out/32026/4 "2009-08-30T03:48:36Z")
All my in depth info is available in the post I linked to, but I’m 24 6’ 180lbs healthy caucasian. Tested at restaurant where I wait tables, another restaurant eating, book store, bar, cigar shop (no smoke, though), and my apartment. I’m seeing zero results across the boards, or if I’m seeing the results they are underperforming to an overwhelming degree. Any thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![Vangelis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vangelis/32/598_2.png) [@Vangelis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vangelis)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 3:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-a-brother-out/32026/5 "2009-08-30T03:55:46Z")
According to your journal you sprayed them all for a first try and then went on the day after with A314 two drops. My first suggestion will be to try a product at a time. (Leave TUTH out of the single product test for the moment). According to your arsenal try IS, AMMO and A314 one at a time. Dosages could be between 2 to 3 sprays (or drops). The fact that you were with roommates does count as they know your phero signature already it may take them a while before they adjust. The other thing seems to be that you have a set expectation of how “hits” should look like. If you are good looking and really outgoing as you say in your journal then you are more used to people reacting positively to you. Meanwhile, other users that are not that much at ease in the social interaction will certainly perceive a huge difference immediately. Your edge, though, becomes then that you can have more lee way to try things in the social interaction. If you are in the high end of the social comfort already, overdoing any of your products (except IS) could result in people feeling a bit shy to you; hence, you have to take the lead to see the magic. My bet, given your age, is that you should see the first interesting hits with A314. However, once again, be aware of your expectation about deference. Deference doesn’t necesarilly mean that people will vow to you or look at you with total awe or step to the side to free the way as you walk by. Look more for the results of your negotiations and commercial interactions. ---
**Author:** ![reddog](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reddog/32/2091_2.png) [@reddog](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/reddog)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 3:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-a-brother-out/32026/6 "2009-08-30T03:58:49Z")
What responses are you hoping for? Social or sexual? Heavy -none you can easily ghost on from over spray or over use buildup. Ammo has well buffered -none TUTH is more raw. At your age you maybe over doing your dosage. I would use IS and AMMO and would seriously consider purchasing [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) at (2x) or (4X) concentration. I would wear 1-2 sprays Ammo, 2-4 sprays (2x) IS, and 2-4 sprays IO. That is a really good combo and should work well at work. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![newguy1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b38774/32.png) [@newguy1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/newguy1)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 4:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-a-brother-out/32026/7 "2009-08-30T04:05:24Z")
Found this on another thread, think it might be part (but definitely not all) of the problem. > [@Got my botle of npa today =d](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/got-my-botle-of-npa-today-d/31985/10): > > Yeah, your persona and behavior must match your mone signature or you get ignored as an error or mind fart. Basically if a woman smells an alpha male, looks up and sees a confident badass barkin’ orders, she believes he is an alpha male and thinks, “ah wanna have his babies.” But if she looks up and sees a weenie, she thinks, “oh somebody musta farted…” Gegogi, that’s the first I’ve heard of that principle, but it makes perfect sense. I’ve posted this on this thread and my own, but I think this may be the ticket to getting the most out of the products. Up to this point (three days) I haven’t seen any results worth the price, so we’ll see how it goes adding the attitude into the mix. I don’t portray a weenie, and usually project decent confidence, I don’t exactly swagger wherever I go either. It’s time to amp that up. ---
**Author:** ![newguy1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b38774/32.png) [@newguy1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/newguy1)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 4:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-a-brother-out/32026/8 "2009-08-30T04:15:11Z")
Guys, you’re great. Vangelis, that’s an excellent point. I do have a preconceived notion of what a ‘hit’ looks like, and although it’s fairly broad, it would do me well to slow down and test each one individually with a more open mind about what results are. It’s hard not to be impatient with this stuff! Reddog, I’m planning on using my GC to get some IH and IO, but didn’t want to spend any more money on anything until I saw some kind of return on my investment in the first round. As far as the response I’m looking for, I’d like to see an edge socially, sexually and in the business realm. Many thanks to both of you for sharing your experience with me. I am in your debt.