# Help/Advice A314/IS **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 10, 2006, 10:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565 "2006-08-10T22:07:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 1:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/81 "2006-08-16T01:31:15Z")
> [@itwow](#): > > “Subtlety” is a rare commodity in male heads 😃 > > If only we had the right combo of mones to make the females feel “sexy”… most of our mones are used to “impress”… > > Seducing males is quite straight forward though. We only respond one way, or the other 😃 > > There’s this book about seduction by Robert Greene, which describes the “subtlety” factor used by many throughout history. Might be worthy of a read. i will say this: i genuinely feel sexy wearing Isexi , i genuinely feel good wearing TAH. guys would be doing themselves a favor buying that for their gals. speaking of subtleties,lol, is it to be assumed there is no interest if a guy doesnt “respond”? ---
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 1:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/82 "2006-08-16T01:40:10Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i will say this: > i genuinely feel sexy wearing Isexi , i genuinely feel good wearing TAH. guys would be doing themselves a favor buying that for their gals. I’ve worn small dosages of TAH+TAL+Meo-EST, seems to make the females happily outspoken & sharing (in a fun way but too much motor mouth, still). What I would enjoy is a combo which makes the females move slowly & silently, in a calculated gesture of “body language sexiness” (ooo… heaven… let the body do the talking) > [@Lor](#): > > speaking of subtleties,lol, is it to be assumed there is no interest if a guy doesnt “respond”? He thinks too much. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 2:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/83 "2006-08-16T02:01:17Z")
I think that the ladies who have responded, Ail and Lor, are not typical women. Lor I _know_ is not typical in any sense of the word. But I suspect Ail may have misunderstood me. There is a tendency to see everything through one’s own eyes, of course, so when I say something, you see it not from where I stand, but from where you stand. It is entirely possible to make a woman too comfortable for sexual arousal, although I was not speaking of the long term, but in terms of, if you massage her to sleep, she’s not going to jump you. In other words, you have to know how to balance comfort with attraction. Part of how I do this is by mixing comfort with subtle discomfort. For instance, if you give direct eye contact in the right way, it is a slightly threatening gesture. In the right amounts, it can be very arousing sexually because it speaks to the primal instinct to find a strong mate. That’s one example. But it’s also entirely possible to have a woman initially conclude you’re “just friends” and then change her mind. This would be an example of starting off with too much comfort and not enough attraction, and then later upping the attraction. I know this is possible, because I’ve done it more than once. Some of my best relationships started off this way. When I refer to kino, I’m not trying to be sly, or coy, or playah. I just kinda like how it sounds. And of course any man who is half way decent at getting a woman to share herself with him, is going to achieve his goals by making them _her goals, too._ You don’t get comfort out of pushing her. You get comfort out of letting her do what she wants to do. The key is to get her to want the same thing you do, and that is the art of seduction. ---
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 2:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/84 "2006-08-16T02:10:59Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > But it’s also entirely possible to have a woman initially conclude you’re “just friends” and then change her mind. This would be an example of starting off with too much comfort and not enough attraction, and then later upping the attraction. I know this is possible, because I’ve done it more than once. Some of my best relationships started off this way. The other end of the spectrum is possible too. I’ve had a woman who despised me turned around to adoration. Mones alone cannot do it. I guess the preferences to seduction techniques varies according to individuals, including those who give & receive. It’s important to “calibrate” the techniques though. ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 7:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/85 "2006-08-16T07:59:54Z")
I am indeed typical of women **over here** in the way I view these things, as I have explained at length previously. I also am now together with the guy who was my best friend **ONLY** for almost 11 years before things changed just at the tail-end of last year, and we were totally comfortable with each other - but neither of us did anything different to bring about this **MASSIVE** shift in the dynamics of our relationship. Go figure.. Like I have said before, just being yourself works so much better in so very many ways. Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 8:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/86 "2006-08-17T08:07:44Z")
> [@Rob](#): > > Well its nice to hear someone someone saying that the “comfort” mones are not really as sexual as some think. The obvious answer is androstenone and copulins like you said=) **The only thing I can really think of is either Mharris has a certain mone output.. or he just has a certain charm going for him that seems to work better when relaxing girls with IFM.** Keyword is “relax,” and you know how chicks get when they let their defenses down. They can get wild, kinda like the daily afterwork parties. I think MHarris said that -dienone in **low** dosages generally relaxes **all** women and excites **some** of them in **high** dosages. I pretty much agree with that assessment. For some women, especially confident women over 30, I find the effect is almost too relaxing so that they almost barely feel excitement, whereas in some of the younger shy ones, the effect can make them come out of their shell like nothing else in the pheromone world even -ANol. I have seen some women (even a confident woman about 50 yo and also a 30 yo South-East Asian lady) get consistently excited and smiling at me when I wear it (although not necessarily a ‘sexual’ arousing reaction they were most certainly excited). I agree with Catlord that some kino may be the key when wearing IFM or -dienone. I find kino is quite easy when wearing this mone as women are so comfortable with me.😃 Visionary ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 3:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/87 "2006-08-18T15:35:00Z")
> [@itwow](#): > > I’ve worn small dosages of TAH+TAL What do you consider small dosages, Wow? Has anyone else been using those two together? Any advice? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![texaspete](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/texaspete/32/1612_2.png) [@texaspete](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/texaspete)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 4:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/88 "2006-08-20T16:19:45Z")
Incongruity and Update I’ve been using 1 drop of A314 and a 1/2 drop / tiny drop of NPA everyday for the last part of this week. I apply the A314 on the back of my neck and the NPA in my pubic hair, about 1 hour before I start work. I noticed no negative hits. On the other hand, any positive hits that I received were too subtle for me to notice and my bath towels REALLY stink. This week I’m dropping the NPA and adding back another drop of A314 + two sprays of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) since I will be working with more alpha males and less females. Yesterday I sprayed a ton of Ishine on instead of Axe - hey, I was half-awake, okay? It was probably about 6 sprays on my chest, shoulders and back. An hour or two later I was shopping in Ikea and received some odd looks from three 40-50something women. I walked by and they did double takes, only to look away quickly, with a disappointed look on their faces. I think the pheromones caught their attention, but when they realized I wasn’t some hot stud, they were let down. Great example of Incongruity. ---
**Author:** ![texaspete](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/texaspete/32/1612_2.png) [@texaspete](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/texaspete)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 4:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/89 "2006-08-20T16:41:24Z")
> [@gabe1970](#): > > I’ve been using 1 drop of A314 and a 1/2 drop / tiny drop of NPA everyday for the last part of this week…any positive hits that I received were too subtle for me to notice and my bath towels REALLY stink. I take that back - I almost forgot that all anyone wanted to talk to me about on thursday beginning with lunch and continuing on until 5pm – was _ **sex** _.😮 ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2006, 12:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/90 "2006-08-21T00:07:06Z")
> [@gabe1970](#): > > I take that back - I almost forgot that all anyone wanted to talk to me about on thursday beginning with lunch and continuing on until 5pm – was _ **sex** _.😮 I would almost think that putting NPA where it’s pretty much covered all day would prevent the effects from really “getting out there.” I’d personnally aim to wear it on my chest, neck arms, etc. Someplace where it can get sniffed easily. If it lead to “getting right down to it,” your “to it” may already be -none heavy. Or I’d reserve application to that part of the body only if I was specifically going to be in a situation where sex was on the menu. Just a thought. ---
**Author:** ![texaspete](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/texaspete/32/1612_2.png) [@texaspete](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/texaspete)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2006, 12:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/91 "2006-08-21T00:10:55Z")
Just seemed like the most logical place to put it. ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2006, 12:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/92 "2006-08-21T00:49:30Z")
> [@gabe1970](#): > > Just seemed like the most logical place to put it. Some people do put it there from what I’ve read here and “elsewhere.” What the heck, If it works… do it. Or at least try it. Never know. ---
**Author:** ![texaspete](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/texaspete/32/1612_2.png) [@texaspete](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/texaspete)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2006, 9:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/93 "2006-08-22T21:56:42Z")
Wore A314 by itself today, 4 drops, noticed nothing out of the ordinary at work. ---
**Author:** ![nfs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nfs/32/1656_2.png) [@nfs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nfs)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2006, 10:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/94 "2006-08-22T22:08:38Z")
Gabe, Did you notice anything on yourself then? SOmetimes when I wear A314, I don’t notice reactions from others. It’s too subtle and it takes ages to work on most of them ( need long exposure ). But, it ALWAYS works on me. It just makes me sure of myself, calm and confident. Everytime I wear it. That’s how I know it works. If not i would have thrown the bottle out the window by now. I have come to realise that mones that affect me, are WAY more useful to me, than mones that affect others. When I have THAT MUCH confidence, it shows and people see it , it’s like an aura. A314 makes me the Ice-Man. 🙂 NFS ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2006, 10:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/95 "2006-08-22T22:08:48Z")
> [@gabe1970](#): > > Wore A314 by itself today, 4 drops, noticed nothing out of the ordinary at work. A314 has never worked for me as a standalone. Its very much a base type of product to build upon. The effects are definately worthwhile, but highly subdued, though far more pronounced when complemented by other mones that bring the effects out. ---
**Author:** ![texaspete](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/texaspete/32/1612_2.png) [@texaspete](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/texaspete)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2006, 10:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/96 "2006-08-22T22:29:38Z")
Thanks for the Help/Advice A314/IS > [@nfs](#): > > Gabe, > > Did you notice anything on yourself then? …it ALWAYS…just makes me sure of myself, calm and confident. Everytime I wear it. That’s how I know it works. If not i would have thrown the bottle out the window by now. > I have come to realise that pheromones that affect me…When I have THAT MUCH confidence, it shows and people see it , it’s like an aura. > A314 makes me the Ice-Man. 🙂 > NFS I’m pretty calm and confident already. I already act like I’m a “high-value” person because, at least at work, I _ **am** _. I’m starting to realize that I don’t have a use for pheromones in this environment and given my current situation(s). I’m not ready to start dating yet - physically, financially, or emotionally. I will probably try the more sexual pheromones (Come Talk To Me Mix 2, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), Ammunition, P79? ) in the future - but I think I need to focus on my fitness and lifestyle before I head in that direction. I don’t think you can get an “amazing” woman unless you’re an “amazing” man - and I’m not there yet. So I don’t think I’ll be buying any more pheromones or conducting any more experiments for at least the rest of the year. I’ll hold on to A314 and NPA, but I have already promised to give Instant Honesty and IS to someone I consider to be a good friend. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2006, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/97 "2006-08-22T22:35:21Z")
> [@gabe1970](#): > > I don’t think you can get an “amazing” woman unless you’re an “amazing” man - and I’m not there yet. Thats all a matter of perception IMO ---
**Author:** ![texaspete](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/texaspete/32/1612_2.png) [@texaspete](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/texaspete)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2006, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/98 "2006-08-22T22:35:47Z")
> [@nfs](#): > > Gabe, > > Did you notice anything on yourself then? \… > > I have come to realise that mones that affect me, are WAY more useful to me, than mones that affect others. When I have THAT MUCH confidence, it shows and people see it , it’s like an aura. > > A314 makes me the Ice-Man. 🙂 > > NFS Almost forgot: I don’t notice any effects of Instant Shine on me until later in the day, when i get depressed. I assume it must have a mood enhancing effect before I “come down” off of it and get blue, but I haven’t noticed it. [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) makes me way too talkative for my own comfort. It works on me, but I don’t enjoy the effect. Because it works so strongly on me, I feel safe in saying that I would bet money that it works on others. I can’t tell if A314 effects me in any way. ---
**Author:** ![nfs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nfs/32/1656_2.png) [@nfs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nfs)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2006, 10:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/99 "2006-08-22T22:38:27Z")
You’re giving away IH and IS? Man those 2 are killer mones! You might not be needing A314 if u’re already drawing that much respect and confidence. But IH… especially takes conversation to a deeper level, great for dates. U should hold on to that one. If it was me, I’d give away A314, and hold on to IH and IS. Don’t u feel uplifted when you wear IS ? I do. NFS ---
**Author:** ![texaspete](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/texaspete/32/1612_2.png) [@texaspete](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/texaspete)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2006, 10:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/100 "2006-08-22T22:41:13Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > Thats all a matter of perception IMO …And definition. I’ve dated some amazing women in my life. I won’t define what I mean by amazing here, it’s an individual, subjective thing. But i will say that I don’t believe I could attract those kinds of women in my current situation and condition - Physical, Financial and Emotional. And yes, I’m working on that. I have defined goals in those regards, and will reward myself by “allowing” myself to date again once I’ve met those goals. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565.md?page=4) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565.md?page=6)