# Help! I think i OD on TUTH,Shine,and Honesty **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 11, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-i-think-i-od-on-tuth-shine-and-honesty/27946 "2009-04-11T18:31:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jason268](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/278dde/32.png) [@jason268](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jason268)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-i-think-i-od-on-tuth-shine-and-honesty/27946/1 "2009-04-11T18:31:40Z")
Ok so here is the deal i got my first order on wednesday, and i was excited to go out and do some testing…my order included Instant Shine Tuth… but the note on the shipping invoice said it was Expert upgrade Instant Honesty togo Background info: white male, 27 yo, brown hair dark green eyes, athletic build, 5’3" Thursday night directly out of the shower: 2 shots instant shine to neck, 1 shot honesty to wrist 1 shot tuth to the neck. the plan was to go hang out with some buddies at a couple of lical bars, then maybe hit up a strip club. Now i live in Atlanta, so their are tons of hot girls, and good looking guys around, so their is plenty of test subjects, but a lot of competition. You really have to stand out to get noticed. 1st bar Penalty Box: no noticed results, however was not very crowded, it was smokie from cigarettes, and their was not many females there. 2nd bar Benchwarmers: Added 1 more shot of Shine to hair. Environment was also smokie. there were a few girls in their, and of course a lot of guys. did not notice any real hits off of girls, but the group of guys i was with did seem to be in a pretty good mood, and real talkative. Note: the Shine did put me in a great mood. 3rd place Strip Club: Added 1 more shot of tuth directly to chest under shirt. This place was pretty busy for a thursday night and also kind of smokie. 10 Minutes in get a goot hit from girl walkin past with ther boyfriend in tow. She gave me eye contact, looked me up and down, then back to the eyes, locked them in then a big sexy smile. i also notice that the srippers are a little more talkative than usual. i get one to do a lap dance and she keeps telling my how adorable and cute i am. well she sits and talks for a while then she leaves. Nothing else really happened after that. Friday Night: 2 Instant shine, to back of neck and hair. 1 shot of tuth to front of neck, and instant honesty to wrist. This time i’m only going out with one buddy instead of a group. But this guy is a girl magnet, it’s like they flock to him, he doesn’t even have to say anything. If anybody is getting laid when we go out it is usually going to be him. So i figured this would help me test. I figured if i got some of the attention, i would be doing something. 1st place Hooters resturaunt: Sprayed 1 more shot of shine to face because i was just feeling kind of chilled out, may have been still tired from night before. waitress was nice and smiley with good eye contct, but thats there job. Not to much more here. Ate and left. 2nd place Strip club again 🙂 2 more sprays tuth,one to front of neck and one to wrist. Well just to say the least i couldn’t even get girls to come near me, they would look, but not speak, but no one approached me for a lap dance or anything. Did get a lot of hits off guys though, they were all pretty friendly. well we went to a couple of more places when we left there and the same held true all night. I think i really messed up, but thats what testing is all about right. Oh i forgot to mention that my buddy did get some usual attention from some girls, but none for me. Just ordered ammo and a314 it should be in on Monday. cant wait to start testing those ---
**Author:** ![mediumpimpin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d07c76/32.png) [@mediumpimpin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mediumpimpin)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-i-think-i-od-on-tuth-shine-and-honesty/27946/2 "2009-04-11T20:54:41Z")
well im not sure exactly if ur asking a question or just posting experiences. if u were commenting on lack of hits, then it might be that u didnt have enough extended contact with some of the ladies that u mighta been looking for or maybe just missed some of the hits. pheros do need some slightly prolonged contact sometimes to catch there attention and to where u would start seeing hits at least a couple minutes ---
**Author:** ![jason268](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/278dde/32.png) [@jason268](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jason268)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-i-think-i-od-on-tuth-shine-and-honesty/27946/3 "2009-04-11T21:13:28Z")
well i guess i was asking if the tuth with 3 sprays may have been to much. like i said i got the expert dosage with my order. im kind of new to this so i don’t really know. i know its hard to apply to much of the others so i don;t htink that it was them that may have done it, i guess from reading all of the other post i am kind of scared of the tuth. it all about finding the sweet spot i guess ---
**Author:** ![mediumpimpin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d07c76/32.png) [@mediumpimpin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mediumpimpin)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 6:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-i-think-i-od-on-tuth-shine-and-honesty/27946/4 "2009-04-12T06:29:07Z")
if the expert dosage means the 5.0 version, as opposed to the 2.5 version. then i would lean more towards that would definitely be an OD, even at 2.5 3 sprays would prolly be an OD. and the stickyness of -none causes buildup when used back to back days. and u r right its all about that beautiful sweet spot ---
**Author:** ![txironhead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/txironhead/32/595_2.png) [@txironhead](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/txironhead)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 7:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-i-think-i-od-on-tuth-shine-and-honesty/27946/5 "2009-04-12T07:32:56Z")
27 years old, definite OD on TUTH. TUTH is a hard product to find the perfect balance with, much harder than [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) which IMHO is better balanced, especially with younger men. You make quite a bit of -none yourself and add three shots of TUTH and the women were ghosting you. Probably didn’t OD enough to get the guys antagonistic, but I’d go back to one spray. ---
**Author:** ![jason268](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/278dde/32.png) [@jason268](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jason268)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-i-think-i-od-on-tuth-shine-and-honesty/27946/6 "2009-04-12T17:06:21Z")
> [@txironhead](#): > > 27 years old, definite OD on TUTH. TUTH is a hard product to find the perfect balance with, much harder than Ammo which IMHO is better balanced, especially with younger men. You make quite a bit of -none yourself and add three shots of TUTH and the women were ghosting you. Probably didn’t OD enough to get the guys antagonistic, but I’d go back to one spray. thanks for the info well last night my wife got back into town and i picked her up from the airport, i spray 4 instant shine and one tuth and 2 honesty about an hour before i picked her up. then when we got home about 4 hours later i was trying to get lucky, so i sprayed one more tuth directly to chest right before bed. she didn’t even react, she just told me i smelled good and went to bed. what do you think about that. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 6:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-i-think-i-od-on-tuth-shine-and-honesty/27946/7 "2009-04-12T18:10:28Z")
Did you also try to actually make a move as to actually get to “getting lucky?” If you didn’t, [pheromones](https://a314.com/) don’t work on command or make a girl just give it up without you trying to actually “turn up her oven” so to speak. The attraction might be there, but if the girl has issues with your or with whatever reason that might stop her from actually succumbing to the pheromones. When a girl is mad, a girl _is_ mad and won’t give in. (Not trying to say you’re girl is mad at you as this is just an example.) Do you guys have relationship issues? If so, that could be another reason. Present issues won’t help the pheromones, so if this is the case you might also have to work on that aspect. Because if a girl isn’t interested in you (for whatever issue she may have with you,) the pheromones won’t be able to do it by themselves. Not saying that you two have problems, but just trying to find an answer for you. > [@jason268](#): > > thanks for the info > > well last night my wife got back into town and i picked her up from the airport, i spray 4 instant shine and one tuth and 2 honesty about an hour before i picked her up. then when we got home about 4 hours later i was trying to get lucky, so i sprayed one more tuth directly to chest right before bed. she didn’t even react, she just told me i smelled good and went to bed. what do you think about that. ---
**Author:** ![jason268](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/278dde/32.png) [@jason268](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jason268)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-i-think-i-od-on-tuth-shine-and-honesty/27946/8 "2009-04-13T01:32:35Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Did you also try to actually make a move as to actually get to “getting lucky?” If you didn’t, pheromones don’t work on command or make a girl just give it up without you trying to actually “turn up her oven” so to speak. The attraction might be there, but if the girl has issues with your or with whatever reason that might stop her from actually succumbing to the pheromones. When a girl is mad, a girl _is_ mad and won’t give in. (Not trying to say you’re girl is mad at you as this is just an example.) > > Do you guys have relationship issues? If so, that could be another reason. Present issues won’t help the pheromones, so if this is the case you might also have to work on that aspect. Because if a girl isn’t interested in you (for whatever issue she may have with you,) the pheromones won’t be able to do it by themselves. Not saying that you two have problems, but just trying to find an answer for you. Yeah i did try to make a move, but she said that she was tired. Her sex drive has really sucked for about the past year, thats why i wanted to try some phero. As far as our relationship goes everything is great, its just her sex drive sucks. But she does take a depression medicine so that may have something to do with it. i mean i thought a 28 year old woman would have a pretty healthy drive…you know. ---
**Author:** ![txironhead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/txironhead/32/595_2.png) [@txironhead](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/txironhead)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-i-think-i-od-on-tuth-shine-and-honesty/27946/9 "2009-04-13T02:19:43Z")
Depression meds absolutely _destroy_ sex drive. If she’s been on them for the year that you say she’s been less sexually active, that’s probably the culprit. You might see if she can be switched to a less-invasive drug such as Wellbutrin (but not if she’s a smoker! found that out the hard way!). ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 3:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-i-think-i-od-on-tuth-shine-and-honesty/27946/10 "2009-04-13T03:25:56Z")
Jason, You did use a lot of TUTH on both occasions … that is a lot of sprays of the 2x version … Too much -none causes women to avoid you, and also can get you and them either edgy, tense, or feel pretty tired after sniffing it for 30 or so minutes - you’ve seen that firsthand I did not find the 2x TUTH version very useful myself, should have stayed with the 1x version. TUTH is quite diffusive and goes (up there) in seconds because of the additive in it, so 1 spray of the 2x version goes flying in the air very quickly, almost instant OD, more than the -none only products in my experience. So, here are 2 suggestions to do together 1. try to use 1/2 sprays, or take the top off and use small dabs. 2. here is a trick. If you are out and want to re-apply, go wash previous applications first with some hot water and soap and a nice scrub with the crabby tissue paper they usually have in pubs and such places (as much as you can, hard to do when out I know, but fun when others see what you doing), and that removes “some” of the older application, then re-apply See how you go ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 3:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-i-think-i-od-on-tuth-shine-and-honesty/27946/11 "2009-04-13T03:33:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Depression meds absolutely _destroy_ sex drive Unfortunate, but very true .. I had that situation with an ex. Pheromones still work though, sometimes, but very very little … still, don’t use much, just little -none ---
**Author:** ![txironhead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/txironhead/32/595_2.png) [@txironhead](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/txironhead)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 4:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-i-think-i-od-on-tuth-shine-and-honesty/27946/12 "2009-04-13T04:16:25Z")
Actually, try doing a search for the various “alternatives” to IFM. I would recommend IFM if it were still in stock. Depressed people need comfort. I’m bipolar, I know. And if she feels comfortable and safe, the depression eases off and a more “normal” situation presents itself. I would also see about talking to whoever prescribed the antidepressants. If it was a regular MD, I would definitely consider going to a licensed psychiatrist. General physicians, at least in America, are getting way too comfortable with handing out antidepressants without trying to fix the underlying cause, or without an actual diagnosis of depression being made. Even if she was seen by a psychiatrist, see if this is a “quick fix”. Sometimes, with proper counseling, a person can overcome depression before they become dependent on meds entirely. Or maybe see if there are alternatives with less side effects. I know people that have completely gone off meds with only the occasional herbal supplement for when they have a bad day. Of course, love and understanding go a _long_ way toward recovery. I’d recommend low doses of -none as well, as it seems to make depressed people more irritable. Try some of the “alternatives” for IFM to try to make her more comfortable and close. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-i-think-i-od-on-tuth-shine-and-honesty/27946/13 "2009-04-13T18:31:48Z")
I have noticed that sides are even more harsh if they’re not generic! Actual brand name for me seemed to do the most harm, while generic Prozac for me didn’t even give me much of the last sides I had when I was on brand name Prozac. > [@txironhead](#): > > Depression meds absolutely _destroy_ sex drive. If she’s been on them for the year that you say she’s been less sexually active, that’s probably the culprit. You might see if she can be switched to a less-invasive drug such as Wellbutrin (but not if she’s a smoker! found that out the hard way!).