# HELP! I'm lost **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 20, 2008, 4:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-im-lost/12875 "2008-05-20T16:39:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![drdavid831](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@drdavid831](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/drdavid831)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2008, 4:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-im-lost/12875/1 "2008-05-20T16:39:32Z")
I have quite a few of androtics products, and have had alot of great hits; however, I started using pheros looking for something to turn my wife into a sexual animal. She is 53 and perimenopausal. Before the PM she was that animal and I want her back. The frustration is immence! She does respond to IFM, IO very well, but the response is “just hold me”. I have , and have tried: IO, IFM, A314, IH, AMMO, IS, TUTH, and P86. TUTH I started with 2 spray up to 7 with “0” response from her. Maybe something to put in her massage lotion. I am a 47 y/0 good looking and fit Chiropractor, acupunturist, and massage therapist, you would think I could figure this out. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2008, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-im-lost/12875/2 "2008-05-20T17:32:59Z")
Hmm… You might try asking in the Women’s forum to see if any of our members are PM. Even if not, a female perspective might be best. You’ve got a general representation of all the [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) types in what you’ve used, so I’m not sure what to suggest. At first, I was thinking you needed to amp up the androstenone with some Raw Power, but as TUTH is androstenone-based and she hasn’t reacted to it at all, that might not work. Tricky sitch, this is. -D4 ---
**Author:** ![drdavid831](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@drdavid831](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/drdavid831)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2008, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-im-lost/12875/3 "2008-05-20T18:00:17Z")
Thanks, I will try asking the ladies. ---
**Author:** ![NormaJeanMarilyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/normajeanmarilyn/32/586_2.png) [@NormaJeanMarilyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NormaJeanMarilyn)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2008, 9:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-im-lost/12875/4 "2008-05-20T21:26:16Z")
I would PM Tisha23, she is quite knowledgable. ---
**Author:** ![1904iNcUbUs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1904incubus/32/1694_2.png) [@1904iNcUbUs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1904iNcUbUs)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2008, 9:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-im-lost/12875/5 "2008-05-20T21:29:30Z")
If I were you I would just talk with my wife. ---
**Author:** ![Lillith](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lillith/32/2355_2.png) [@Lillith](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lillith)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2008, 10:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-im-lost/12875/6 "2008-05-20T22:09:13Z")
Dr. David: You might want to discuss with your wife the possibility of her seeing a doctor. I’ve read about new therapies for increasing an older woman’s sex drive that involve small doses of prescription testosterone. A knowledgeable doctor might be able to assist with this matter. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2008, 10:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-im-lost/12875/7 "2008-05-20T22:24:21Z")
> [@drdavid831](#): > > I have quite a few of Androtics products, and have had alot of great hits; however, I started using pheros looking for something to turn my wife into a sexual animal. She is 53 and perimenopausal. Before the PM she was that animal and I want her back. The frustration is immence! She does respond to Instant Female Magic, Instant Openness very well, but the response is “just hold me”. I have , and have tried: Instant Openness, Instant Female Magic, A314, Instant Honesty, AMMO, IS, Turn Up The Heat, and P86. Turn Up The Heat I started with 2 spray up to 7 with “0” response from her. Maybe something to put in her massage lotion. **I am a 47 y/0 good looking and fit Chiropractor, acupunturist, and massage therapist, you would think I could figure this out**. Somethings are just out of our reach, Dr. D. But it doesn’t mean you have to stop trying. Hold her tight and give Dirty a shot. And if you can direct me on how to zoom in on Gall Bladder 25, I’d sure appreciate it. 😉