# Help me by Friday (maybe, lol) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 3, 2011, 5:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347 "2011-01-03T05:20:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DeatCreation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@DeatCreation](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DeatCreation)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2011, 5:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/1 "2011-01-03T05:20:44Z")
Hi guys! So I’m new to mones and just bought some today so hopefully it’ll all get here by Thurs/Fri. And as you may have guessed I potentially have a special event happening on Fri that I might need help with 😉 I’ll give you guys the details so that you can advise: (btw, thx in advance for any/all of your input) Situation: I might be going on a 3hr drive with a friend that I’ve kinda always had interest in but I am pretty certain that I’m 99% in the friend zone. I asked her out about 5 yrs ago but got rejected, and starting about 2-3 yrs ago we’ve become pretty good friends. So yea there’s a farewell party (clean party, so no alcohol or at least definitely no one getting wasted, lol) a mutual close friend of ours is throwing and I was initially not gonna go but we hung out for new years eve with a couple of good friends and she offered to drive up together. So I’m thinking if there’s ever a chance to improve my chances (a chance for a chance, haha) with her then maybe a 3hr car ride just the 2 of us (I might need to double check it’s just us) there and back would be a perfect chance to exploit the power of mones. Plus she would be kinda stuck smelling only the mones and the car freshener. Equipment: IS - Definitely want the time to be enjoyable and who doesn’t want to be blamed for causing that 😉 (btw, I find it interesting how IS does not get tagged like IO, IH, IG, …, anyone care to explain, lol) IG - I’m a year younger than her not to mention I’m asian (lol, well she is too). But yea, with that maybe it might be necessary that I present a more mature air about be. IO - To prevent any possibilities of awkward silence which might actually be rare so not sure if I should use or not. IO was bought for other purposes and not really for this. And I’m thinking since we already pretty good friends then maybe IS would be more than enough? Thoughts? [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) - This is my big problem, I want to use to stir some attraction (that is the whole point of all this, lol) but it’s usually been reported used in clubs (I realized that this might actually be wrong) and that is a very different environment than a car ride. Plus I want it to cause her to see me in more than a friend way but I don’t want her to see me as trying to come on to her hard because I do plan to hangout with her more, not to mention the party and the ride back and it only makes me seem like I’m coming on strong then that would not be good. (I kinda wish I had purchased IH considering how close we are (or at least have been), but at the same time I’ve read that some of the hits weren’t the best because sometimes honesty is pretty) So yea if you could give mix suggestions with spray amount in addition to maybe spots to spray each? Also do you think I should tackle the ride there and back as two separate scenarios such that maybe the mix for the ride up sets me up for the mix used in the ride back (the ride back won’t be until the Sat/Sun. Also she is a fairly innocent/good girl so because of that I’m not sure if Ammo will have the effect it might have on say heavy partyers/clubbers, so if you keep that in mind then that’d be great. But also as long as whatever happens doesn’t kill the friendship or make it super awkward I’m most likely gonna have a great time (I usually do with her). So I’m treating this as using a new method to crack open a door that’s been locked for years locked, lol. Plus a great way to test out my new awesome mones. I do realize that there’s the 90% me so if anyone wants to offer advice for that 90% considering my scenario then that too is appreciated, but I am posting mainly for mones mix methods. Disclaimer: this is all tentative so it may not happen but lets all pretend that it’s a definitely 😉 and once again thanks for all your inputs guys 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aghor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aghor/32/1558_2.png) [@Aghor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aghor)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2011, 5:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/2 "2011-01-03T05:34:16Z")
IG + AMMO (1 spray not more) + IS (2-4 spray start with 2 in the car ride and later on after 3 hrs top up with another 2 sprays) I am not sure about the dosage of IG, I use A314 and IG is supposed to be the tamed down version of that, but the combination should work for you. since you already have a good friendship with her i dont think you would need IO. just behave normally and continue to expose her to this combo, not just this once, but when ever you meet her.. attraction will come naturally ---
**Author:** ![Deja\_Vu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deja_vu/32/256_2.png) [@Deja\_Vu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Deja_Vu)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2011, 5:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/3 "2011-01-03T05:38:29Z")
I have done a fair bit of testing on IG myself and I can assure you that you will benefit from IG. Asians, especially, love erone(main component in IG) and you will project a cool guy vibe to her and since you are a younger than her, the “age-modifying vibe” of IG will elevate you to a mature, dependable guy that she will see as a boyfriend material. Definitely wear IG, and find out your sweet spot before Friday for better results. IO, on the other hand, buffers the Alpha-ness from IG very well. Since IG elevates you to the alpha level, the IO will help make you to become more approachable and develop a sense of closeness to your friend. Definitely purchase IH the next time, it’s very social and really helps in bonding in social settings. You will need it when you successfully ask her out after this car ride! Mix suggestion from me - 1.5x IG + 3x IO + 3x IS for a cool, dependable and fun boyfriend. ---
**Author:** ![Aghor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aghor/32/1558_2.png) [@Aghor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aghor)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2011, 6:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/4 "2011-01-03T06:04:43Z")
> [@Deja\_Vu](#): > > I have done a fair bit of testing on IG myself and I can assure you that you will benefit from IG. Asians, especially, love erone(main component in IG) and you will project a cool guy vibe to her and since you are a younger than her, the “age-modifying vibe” of IG will elevate you to a mature, dependable guy that she will see as a boyfriend material. Definitely wear IG, and find out your sweet spot before Friday for better results. > > IO, on the other hand, buffers the Alpha-ness from IG very well. Since IG elevates you to the alpha level, the IO will help make you to become more approachable and develop a sense of closeness to your friend. Definitely purchase IH the next time, it’s very social and really helps in bonding in social settings. You will need it when you successfully ask her out after this car ride! > > Mix suggestion from me - 1.5x IG + 3x IO + 3x IS for a cool, dependable and fun boyfriend. He has know the girl for a long while, Do you think, he’d need IO to buffer IG. IG is mild in the first place and + considering his long standing friendship with her, she may not have a problem handling the IG signature on its own. all he needs is: a bit of ammo to trigger attraction along with IG to signal him as the price catch and shine to make her feel good whenever she is around him personally I feel that in this case IO is avoided. I’d say avoid IO unless both of you are not great talkers despite knowing each other for so long ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2011, 7:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/5 "2011-01-03T07:52:57Z")
I would actually avoid Ammo in the car - its cologne strength. IH or IO should work, not _every_ situation with a girl needs Ammo or 20 different sprays, guys. 😛 He is in close quarters for a 3 hour car ride. Some things require finesse and delicateness. ---
**Author:** ![DeatCreation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@DeatCreation](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DeatCreation)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2011, 2:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/6 "2011-01-04T02:56:24Z")
Aghor - thanks for the mix suggestion 🙂. Yea that’s what I was thinking about maybe not needing the IO, but I hadn’t thought about maybe too much alpha-ness, we are pretty good friends so I’m not sure if it would pose a problem. Lol, yea that would be a good idea to use it every time I see her, I actually never thought about that. On the talking issue, I am more of a listener, but she can definitely be a talker, so I might have problems talking be she shouldn’t 🙂 Deja Vu - thanks, it’s great to hear a confirmation that IG is a success and even more good news to hear that asian girls actually dig one of the components 😃 Do you know how big of a bump of an alpha-ness will the IG cause? I can see how someone who projects a very alpha vibe can seem very unapproachable. A314 is known for giving just that kind of vibe but I thought IG was just a little boost. Also from a spray how would I get the 1.5 w/o wasting any? Also, thanks for the confidence, I do plan to succeed! John Sebastian - good point, I almost forgot that Ammo might have that strong odor and I can’t exactly move to another place when the ride stinks up. However, if I do use it will only be 1 spray unless I see good results then maybe up it on the ride back, and there will be the other mones I will be putting up. I will be honest in saying I have very little finesse and maybe too much delicateness, so I was kinda hoping on using Ammo, but if it is as bad as you say, then I definitely don’t want to do worse than if I were not to have used Ammo. So guys, here’s the mix I am thinking about using, hit me with your responses, it might change depending on your responses. 1x Ammo, 1.5x IG, 2-3 IS, .5-1x IO Also any recommendation on where to put them, seems like many people are putting them on separate parts of the body like wrist, neck, chest. I’m thinking just wrist and neck (just because I don’t want to deal with any clothes washing issues) Oh and good news, thanks to the amazing speed of AndroticsDirect, I will actually get them tomorrow (according to FedEx’s tracking number) (unlike amazon which takes 2 weeks for anything to arrive on standard shipping), so if there are any suggestions/mixes to find what works for me and sweet spots then do tell, regardless, I will definitely be playing around with them 😃 ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2011, 3:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/7 "2011-01-04T03:09:08Z")
My personal own suggestion would be: 2x IG, 4x IS. Half a spray or even a spray of Ammo for the ride back home (if you think it’s appropriate) + 2-3 IS. I suggest not to use IO for that event. You simply don’t need it and you will buffer out the IG way too much. IS works just perfect. You will get a free gift with your order, so let us know what you get 🙂! ---
**Author:** ![johnnyhammersticks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e0b2c6/32.png) [@johnnyhammersticks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/johnnyhammersticks)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2011, 7:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/8 "2011-01-04T07:58:36Z")
I’d say go with IG and IS on the ride up. As others have mentioned, if you’ve known this girl for that many years, you probably don’t need a mone to facilitate the conversation. IG and IS would definitely give you the “cool boyfriend” vibe. You could possibly add IH, if you feel like she doesn’t open up to you as much as you’d like. I’m kinda getting the feeling you might need help with a gameplan too, so here’s what I think you’d want to do: For the ride up there, you just wanna talk to her and be really congruent with the “cool boyfriend” vibe. You want to act like the kind of guy she’d want to date but DON’T LET HER KNOW YOU’RE INTO HER. That’s gonna be the key at first, you don’t want to come on too strong or seem needy. You might want to steer the conversation in the direction of relationships, find out what she values in a relationship/boyfriend, what qualities she finds attractive in a person, but just file this information away for later. Phase 2, the party: I don’t know how social/outgoing you typically are, but you’re gonna want to dial it up at this party. The mones will absolutely help with this, but again, its 90% you. Go out there and mingle. Make your #1 priority talking to everyone at the party, and your last priority talking to the girl. Now obviously, you two are close friends so you’ll end up talking to each other, but if you go about it with this attitude, the dynamics are gonna be different. Instead of you being seen as too clingy, or friend zone, or whatever, you’re gonna reinforce the image of you being the cool guy, the one everybody wants to hang out with. This would also be the time to start showing a romantic interest in her, but again, DO IT SUBTLY. You need to be sub-communicating everything to her. If you’re not sure exactly what I mean, think of it like this; Pretend that she’s already your girlfriend, or that the two of you had sex earlier that day, but you two need to keep it a secret from everyone else at the party. You can use kino, tease her, whatever you’re feeling(Make sure you **STARE** into her eyes whenever you talk to her). And since you’re semi-avoiding her and mingling with everyone else, she’s gonna have to seek you out when she wants to talk to you, so you’re able to do all of this stuff while still keeping her unsure of whether or not you’re romantically into her. Lastly, the drive home; If you wanted to bring the AMMO with you and throw one spray on before the drive home, you could do that, but you won’t need it. Basically, you’re gonna need to make a move here. There’s a thousand ways to do it, so just do whatever feels right to you, I don’t know your relationship with this girl well enough to give a specific piece of advice here. Just remember to keep going with the “cool boyfriend” vibe, and don’t get too stressed out by anything she says. I would definitely advise you to not be too “chatty” on the ride home. Make your words count. You could even consider just shutting up initially, and see which direction she tries to steer the conversation. See if you can kiss her before you get out of the car, you need to make it clear what you want. All in all, GO FOR IT! Even if you get rejected, you’ll be glad you did what you wanted to do. And with the mones, sweet spot test this week, but on Friday, err on the side of caution. The last thing you want is to OD on anything and have an awkward car ride up there, and then weird people out at the party. You could do it without mones, the right amount will help, too much will fuck your flow up. Good luck bro. ---
**Author:** ![Aghor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aghor/32/1558_2.png) [@Aghor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aghor)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2011, 8:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/9 "2011-01-04T08:57:52Z")
> [@DeatCreation](#): > > John Sebastian - good point, I almost forgot that Ammo might have that strong odor and I can’t exactly move to another place when the ride stinks up. However, if I do use it will only be 1 spray unless I see good results then maybe up it on the ride back, and there will be the other mones I will be putting up. I will be honest in saying I have very little finesse and maybe too much delicateness, so I was kinda hoping on using Ammo, but if it is as bad as you say, then I definitely don’t want to do worse than if I were not to have used Ammo. My two bits: (1) spray ammo to your chest only. 1 spray for the whole day. you are young. dont over do ammo. it will backfire. but I think that 1 spray on chest (not exposed part) should be ok (2) use a cover sent on top of ammo. since clothes come on top of it and you would be using instant shine, 1 spray ammo should not be a problem > [@johnnyhammersticks](#): > > For the ride up there, you just wanna talk to her and be really congruent with the “cool boyfriend” vibe. You want to act like the kind of guy she’d want to date but DON’T LET HER KNOW YOU’RE INTO HER. That’s gonna be the key at first, you don’t want to come on too strong or seem needy. **Agree** > [@johnnyhammersticks](#): > > Lastly, the drive home; > If you wanted to bring the AMMO with you and throw one spray on before the drive home, you could do that, but you won’t need it. Basically, you’re gonna need to make a move here. There’s a thousand ways to do it, so just do whatever feels right to you, I > > All in all, GO FOR IT! Even if you get rejected, you’ll be glad you did what you wanted to do. I kinda disagree to making sudden moves, since you have been friends with her for so long, I’d say wait a while and soften her up with mones, these 3 mones should do the trick for u and then make the move.. when u trigger attraction with mones and then pretend as if nothing is amiss, she could conclude that its her who is attracted to you. this could help you when u later make the move. I’d say wait a while anyways good luck ---
**Author:** ![Aghor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aghor/32/1558_2.png) [@Aghor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aghor)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2011, 9:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/10 "2011-01-04T09:03:39Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > I would actually avoid Ammo in the car - its cologne strength. > > IH or IO should work, not _every_ situation with a girl needs Ammo or 20 different sprays, guys. 😛 > > He is in close quarters for a 3 hour car ride. Some things require finesse and delicateness. Its just 1 spray of ammo (should it not be all right if worn on chest under all those clothes.. I’ve done worse while hot boxing and got away with it. (Heavy AMMO 2X ( 1 am 32) + 3X [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/)+ IH 2X & IS 2X) Spent an hour outside before getting inside the car with her. let me just say it was the most memorable evening of my life and I probably gained a few months time of courting in just an hour long ride ---
**Author:** ![DeatCreation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@DeatCreation](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DeatCreation)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/11 "2011-01-05T01:21:44Z")
Good news guys, my 1st batch came in. At first I was a bit disheartned just because I was expecting it to be in a box with fancy designs and stuff around it and maybe the stuff was put in a styrofoam container. But that was not the case, instead I found it in one of those plastic fedex envelopes with the bubbles inside for like cds or something like paper shaped but delicate. So my first reaction was kinda disappointed, but then again I didn’t buy this to admire the packaging it came it, I bought it for the products. So I open it not impressed and the there’s another similar green wrapper wrapping the actual stuff, and so that gets opened and so I pulled out the stuff. So I pull out four and well, they’re what I ordered and so I’m excited by now, I can finally try the stuff people here’s been talking on and on about 😉 To be honest I was kinda hoping for a free, especially after reading other people talk about how they got a free togo with their first purchase, but I was doubting that would be my case seeing as how I did use a $25 new user gift coupon thingy. So as I was about to throw away the two “cases” when lo and behold I felt something hard in the green one. My heart jumped a little, was this christmas all over again I thought to myself? Maybe a TUTH, or maybe it was one of the ones I bought considering how I bout many of the basic solid stuff, that’d be nice but I TUTH seemed too much for me (I wouldn’t know how to even begin using it) and if I already had it then it wasn’t THAT special. (It’s funny thinking about it how ungrateful people can be towards free things, lol, me included) But yea, onward with my story. So I pulled out the magical 5th instant can and go figure, the name side was not facing me, lol. So I turn it around honestly not expecting much. Now if you have been reading the previous posts then you much know that there was one item I was very hesitant about buy (I really wanted it by I already ordered 4) and ironically people here suggested me to use it on this particular trip. Drum-rolls… so if you can’t guess it by now then I’ll tell ya, it was INSTANT HONESTY!!!, the one thing I wanted but didn’t get, and the last one I was expecting to get as a free gift. I mean if this isn’t a christmas miracle then I don’t know what is, haha. I mean this wasn’t purely luck that they pick the perfect one to add to my 1st batch, but still just the idea that it’s there brings a smile to my face and a warmth to my heart, THEY LISTENED!!! They listened to my pleas, lol, well not that bad but still 🙂 Lol, but yea, that’s my story about my first batch. Oh, and I’ll get back to the responses later tonight. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DeatCreation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@DeatCreation](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DeatCreation)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2011, 6:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/12 "2011-01-05T06:06:15Z")
Hey guys for all your advice. But IM her earlier tonight about the details and it turns out it most probably won’t even go down, but there’s a small chance that something potentially better could pop up. So the story is this. It turns out she was planing on going early and with my time schedule (work, so unavoidable) it means she would go 3 hrs late (it takes me 1.5-2 hrs just to get to her place and from there it’s 3 hrs). Also as I mentioned earlier this is a clean party so more likely than not it won’t last that late and I will be arriving at 10-11 (which I know isn’t really late but to the farewell party it kinda is). So yea, since there’s no romantic interest on her end and I didn’t wanna try playing the guilt card, her decision is to go earlier. I know, sad day, lol. Anyhoo, so the potential good news is that she’s staying at a friend’s place who gonna be out of town. And when she asked where I will be staying if I went, I told her the only place I could think of staying at wouldn’t work for that weekend. So, get this, she offered to ask her friend if I could crash on her couch or something. Lol, I don’t know if the situation’s gotten better or worse. In some ways this is an improvement, but at the same this doesn’t mean that I will actually get to hang out with her much (she will be with friends on Sat, and I have a feeling a the place will be used mostly for sleeping purposes because how awkward is it to hang out at a friend’s place whose not home) But yea, I’m not even sure if I’m still going and me staying is uncertain. But anyhoo, feel free to comment or advice give if you want 😃 PheroJack - thanks for the mix suggestion, I actually have IH now, so what’s your views on that, will it buffer IG too much or is it completely different. Also (mind you this is coming from someone with zero experience 😉) do you think there’s a need to use 4 sprays of IS, it seems like a bit too much, I will be used only 1x conc. but I’m fearful of ODing. johnnyhammersticks - how’d you know I was secretly (soo secret I didn’t even know) wanted a game plan 😃 sadly I may not be able to apply it, also now that it seems like I will only get to spend like 30mins-1hr max at the party, it may not work effectively especially considering the slow speed I tend to do things. I would ask you to draw me a game plan for the new possibility, but I highly doubt that would go down. But yea, thanks a bunch for spending all that to give me a strategy for game day. Aghor - I do remember reading how it’s very very easy for young people to OD on Ammo/TUTH and such, good think you pointed it out, thanks! Good idea of using clothing to further dilute the mones. Yea, I totally think I should let the mones soften her defenses up a lot before making any moves (substantial or very forward moves) Definitely don’t want to do a 180 from my normal character and make her get very defensive and conscious. But it seems like he was using the chit chat on the ride up and stuff as the softening her up. But I feel like the move would’ve already been made at the party with the suggestions he gave and the ride home would only be a confirmation of sorts. Thanks again for all your advice you’ve been giving throughout the post. But yea, I may not get to use any this time, but I will definitely apply these in other situations. Oh, and since I got my 1st batch today with a free give of IH (score 😃 !) I am planning on using 1 spray IS, 1 spray IG tomorrow to see the results. My group at work has a couple of Chinese, and Indian and a European so the IG will be a success hopefully. Sounds good? If you guys want I can report and maybe just continue with reports and advice from you guys. Thanks again for all your input! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2011, 7:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/13 "2011-01-05T07:03:20Z")
> [@DeatCreation](#): > > John Sebastian - good point, I almost forgot that Ammo might have that strong odor and I can’t exactly move to another place when the ride stinks up. However, if I do use it will only be 1 spray unless I see good results then maybe up it on the ride back, and there will be the other mones I will be putting up. I will be honest in saying I have very little finesse and maybe too much delicateness, so I was kinda hoping on using Ammo, but if it is as bad as you say, then I definitely don’t want to do worse than if I were not to have used Ammo. I never said Ammo was bad. Its just wrong for this situation. Ammo wasn’t designed to be used in such a tightly closed area as a car. Sounds like you’ve got something good going - just remember to have fun. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2011, 7:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/14 "2011-01-05T07:06:12Z")
> [@DeatCreation](#): > > Good news guys, my 1st batch came in. At first I was a bit disheartned just because I was expecting it to be in a box with fancy designs and stuff around it and maybe the stuff was put in a styrofoam container. But that was not the case, instead I found it in one of those plastic fedex envelopes with the bubbles inside for like cds or something like paper shaped but delicate. So my first reaction was kinda disappointed, but then again I didn’t buy this to admire the packaging it came it, I bought it for the products. > > So I open it not impressed and the there’s another similar green wrapper wrapping the actual stuff, and so that gets opened and so I pulled out the stuff. So I pull out four and well, they’re what I ordered and so I’m excited by now, I can finally try the stuff people here’s been talking on and on about 😉 To be honest I was kinda hoping for a free, especially after reading other people talk about how they got a free togo with their first purchase, but I was doubting that would be my case seeing as how I did use a $25 new user gift coupon thingy. So as I was about to throw away the two “cases” when lo and behold I felt something hard in the green one. My heart jumped a little, was this christmas all over again I thought to myself? Maybe a TUTH, or maybe it was one of the ones I bought considering how I bout many of the basic solid stuff, that’d be nice but I TUTH seemed too much for me (I wouldn’t know how to even begin using it) and if I already had it then it wasn’t THAT special. (It’s funny thinking about it how ungrateful people can be towards free things, lol, me included) But yea, onward with my story. So I pulled out the magical 5th instant can and go figure, the name side was not facing me, lol. So I turn it around honestly not expecting much. Now if you have been reading the previous posts then you much know that there was one item I was very hesitant about buy (I really wanted it by I already ordered 4) and ironically people here suggested me to use it on this particular trip. > > Drum-rolls… so if you can’t guess it by now then I’ll tell ya, it was IO INSTANT OPENNESS!!!, the one thing I wanted but didn’t get, and the last one I was expecting to get as a free gift. I mean if this isn’t a christmas miracle then I don’t know what is, haha. I mean this wasn’t purely luck that they pick the perfect one to add to my 1st batch, but still just the idea that it’s there brings a smile to my face and a warmth to my heart, THEY LISTENED!!! They listened to my pleas, lol, well not that bad but still 🙂 > > Lol, but yea, that’s my story about my first batch. Oh, and I’ll get back to the responses later tonight. 🙂 HAHA You’re welcome for the IO - the guys at the office are cool like that. The reason why we don’t have fancy boxes or anything like that is because our products are made in a lab, not packaged for marketing. Biggest secret ever: Fancy packaging doesn’t make the product work better. 😉 Don’t let those other places fool you. ---
**Author:** ![GorMas2020](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gormas2020/32/197_2.png) [@GorMas2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorMas2020)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2011, 7:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/15 "2011-01-05T07:56:49Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > HAHA You’re welcome for the IO - the guys at the office are cool like that. > > The reason why we don’t have fancy boxes or anything like that is because our products are made in a lab, not packaged for marketing. > > Biggest secret ever: Fancy packaging doesn’t make the product work better. 😉 Don’t let those other places fool you. FROM now on I want my order packaged with BOWS…No just gifts 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2011, 8:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/16 "2011-01-05T08:29:16Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Biggest secret ever: Fancy packaging doesn’t make the product work better. 😉 Don’t let those other places fool you. Also, Fancy Packages Add to the Cost… The Guys (and Gals) at Androtics like to Keep the Costs Down… That Way We can Test and Report on More Products… It Just Makes Sense… A Win Win for Everyone… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![johnnyhammersticks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e0b2c6/32.png) [@johnnyhammersticks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/johnnyhammersticks)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 1:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/17 "2011-01-06T01:46:49Z")
So you now have the option to spend the night with this girl? All systems are go my friend, make it happen 😃 This could actually work to your advantage, you’re gonna have her undivided attention overnight. Just keep her awake and talking for as long as you can and see what happens. IH is definitely gonna be helpful in a situation like that. ---
**Author:** ![DeatCreation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@DeatCreation](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DeatCreation)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 5:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/18 "2011-01-06T05:58:29Z")
John Sebastian - no yea, I totally got that, and it makes sense, anything good or bad will be amplified in a small closed environment just because you’ll be smelling that constantly. In a way the reason for the low key packaging actually makes them sound more legit, straight from the lab you say…reminds me of umbrella corp’s facilities from the resident evil movies 😃 Pandakun - a toast! to a win win situation 🙂 Low key packaging = more in the package! johnnyhammersticks - lol, it’s not as great as it sounds (or is it???) But yea, she can be an early crasher (I think she sleeps like b/t 10-11 usually) and saturday she’ll be spending most of it hanging out with some friends she hasn’t seen in a while. But all in all I don’t know, if the backup works out, then I’ll have to think of a strategy for that 😉 Dang, it just makes me regret not getting into mones like years earlier where I had so many opportunities like this with lots of cool chicks in college, lol, oh well 🙂 Oh an good news, I did the 1 spray IG, IS for an orientation with this one lady (~40s) and she was all smiles and even kinda giggled a couple of time. (It was one on one orientation) Don’t know if she’s normally like that but I’d definitely call it a hit just because anyone giving an orientation to a research facility should not be giggling, even just a little, lol. And then 2 hrs later I applied another spray of each (because IS is said to have a low lifespan, but I probably shouldn’t have done the IG though) So yea, I was sitting through a small group meeting (and there were some asians there) but to be honest I don’t know if it’s because my boss scares everyone into being super serious or IG just isn’t getting hits, however my boss did smile a couple of time which is rare but not unthinkable. But then a weird thing happens later on. So I was talking with her about something and she was not angry (which is a good thing, lol) and she was talking about something I needed to improve in. Then suddenly a coworker of mine chimed in on how she can help (now mind you, when my boss is in the room, no one wants to talk to her unless they have a question to ask or something to report because if she talks to you then it usually means you’re gonna get chewed out for something you done) so that was kinda weird (my coworker can be helpful, but still…) But a weirder thing happened, my boss told my coworker to focus on the project and not on other things while laughing, mind you, I have never ever seen her do a laugh (and not a small one either) around anyone of us, she smiles a little when we’re doing something right but never laughs especially when she’s telling someone off. So yea, major hit, I’m just not sure if it was IS by itself or did IG make me seem more comfortable to do that around (as in closer to a peer). Bu another weird thing, starting from the time I applied IG/IS, every time I would see my only male coworker, he would always have a stoic facial expression. I even occasionally tried stuff that would usually bring at least a chuckle from him, but instead I got nothing. My only guess would maybe be the IG, maybe he feels emasculated? It seems weird especially since I would never thing they would have a negative effect, but then again I didn’t really see much of an effect of IG. But that could be because I don’t know what I’m supposed to be looking for plus the environment could have been bad for IG? I don’t know, any thoughts or feedback would be appreciated. But yea, I will try IO/IS tomorrow, or do you guys think I should stick with IG/IS for another day or two? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 1:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-me-by-friday-maybe-lol/44347/19 "2011-01-06T13:05:28Z")
> [@DeatCreation](#): > > John Sebastian - no yea, I totally got that, and it makes sense, anything good or bad will be amplified in a small closed environment just because you’ll be smelling that constantly. In a way the reason for the low key packaging actually makes them sound more legit, straight from the lab you say…reminds me of umbrella corp’s facilities from the resident evil movies 😃 Trust me its not half as cool looking, but FAR less dangerous. (No laser tunnels or Nemesis around)