# Help needed please guys. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 3, 2013, 6:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-needed-please-guys/58043 "2013-02-03T06:48:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jay7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@jay7](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jay7)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 6:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-needed-please-guys/58043/1 "2013-02-03T06:48:48Z")
Hi im new to theromones and i have been looking through the forum for quite awhile. Now i cant decide which mones to get there seems to be lots of good mixes that i cant decide which would work best for me. I was reading a post which the guy uses [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) combined with IS P102 and he added TUTH later which he said he had great results. I just want some advice if this is any good or if there will be any better mixes. Also can you use your regular aftershave while wearing mones or not?. Thankyou Jay7 ---
**Author:** ![DecoyMAX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/53a042/32.png) [@DecoyMAX](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DecoyMAX)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 8:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-needed-please-guys/58043/2 "2013-02-03T08:08:54Z")
> [@jay7](#): > > Hi im new to theromones and i have been looking through the forum for quite awhile. Now i cant decide which mones to get there seems to be lots of good mixes that i cant decide which would work best for me. I was reading a post which the guy uses P83 combined with IS P102 and he added TUTH later which he said he had great results. I just want some advice if this is any good or if there will be any better mixes. Also can you use your regular aftershave while wearing mones or not?. > > Thankyou > > Jay7 Start with the killer newbie kit, definitely worth it as a starter. ---
**Author:** ![jay7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@jay7](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jay7)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 8:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-needed-please-guys/58043/3 "2013-02-03T08:15:30Z")
hi thanks ive looked for that but cant seem to find any chance you could post me the link please? ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 8:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-needed-please-guys/58043/4 "2013-02-03T08:20:55Z")
Hey, quoting some significant facts from your introduction post so people don’t ask for the info again here. You’re welcome 😃 > [@](#): > > Im am 30 years of age > [@](#): > > The main reason why I am looking to purchase products is to give me that extra boost and confidence to pick up girls on the nights out as I am quite shy and feel wearing pheromones would give me a good confidence boost to feel more comfy when chatting up women. Any help on what pheromones would be best would be really appreciated. Duh first of all, a non-[pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) specific advise: don’t drink before talking to women. Imo you should do it when you have reached a milestone and picking them up is a little easier for you. 🙂 If you want it to be as authentic as possible, also talk to absolutely sober women only. Now, first things first: if I understood you correctly you wish to have a balance between social-supporting and attraction-supporting mones. You’re 30; you can use a tad more -none than 20 y/o. I can imagine that 2-3 shots of Ammo would suit you well, depending on how intensive you work out (do you work out?). P83 isn’t a bad choice but you shouldn’t use it as an absolute beginner. It’s not a key component but something that goes well together with mones you have tested on yourself and know how they work. For breaking the ice to get you to talk to them, IO is win 🙂 It really does what it is advertised as. Also IH if you wish to get a deeper bonding - IO and IH should help you with the chat flow, and that’s the most important thing as a beginner in pick-up. Just have a chat without aiming for a specific outcome. I recommend you 4 products. You don’t have to buy them all, even one as standalone will work well. Ammo IO IH IShine If you’ve got more questions, you can ask away; and if you share more about your behavior and personality aside from the shy nature maybe we can go deeper into detail with the recommendations! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 8:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-needed-please-guys/58043/5 "2013-02-03T08:21:04Z")
Here is the link to the thread \>\>\> > [@NEWBIES READ HERE: The Ultimate Pheromone Introduction Pack](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbies-read-here-the-ultimate-pheromone-introduction-pack/54322): > > Hey there, This post is just for newbies. Anyone else, avert your eyes! We have a lot of stuff here, don’t we? You’ve probably done your fair share of reading, noticed there are a few KEY killer products to try first, and now you’re ready to buy. But which one? Well… We took the guesswork out of the equation for ya. We noticed a lot of new people were unsure of where to start, since we have a huge palette of social effects. Fortunately, we listened to what you guys were looking for, and have … However its not listed in store so its probably out of stock even though the thread link shows 30 available. I would check first with AD. If its not in stock tell us what your intentions are for [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). What you would like them to do for you and acheive with them and we will point you to where to start. Do not start with advanced products like the putatives, P83, P102 etc etc… These are for experienced users. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![jay7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@jay7](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jay7)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 8:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-needed-please-guys/58043/6 "2013-02-03T08:33:49Z")
Hi thanks guys and mysterion thanks yes i do workout mainly cardio a few times a week. Now about my personality i find it hard to explain what im like i am quite shy as i previously said but im ok once i get talking to someone. Its the breaking the ice i find difficult the knowing what to say first but once started im not so bad still a bit shy still but not as bad. I think the mones you have recomended sound good as a start as its the breaking of the ice i want to start off with wanting to walk before i run so to speak. Now when you wear mones do you wear your normal aftershave as well or cant you wear anything thats scented? ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 8:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-needed-please-guys/58043/7 "2013-02-03T08:42:38Z")
> [@jay7](#): > > Hi thanks guys and mysterion thanks yes i do workout mainly cardio a few times a week. Now about my personality i find it hard to explain what im like i am quite shy as i previously said but im ok once i get talking to someone. Its the breaking the ice i find difficult the knowing what to say first but once started im not so bad still a bit shy still but not as bad. I think the mones you have recomended sound good as a start as its the breaking of the ice i want to start off with wanting to walk before i run so to speak. Now when you wear mones do you wear your normal aftershave as well or cant you wear anything thats scented? You can, you can also apply lotion etc - if you apply the mone products last. They should be on top. I personally don’t use aftershave or anything of that kind. Only some face care after shaving with unscented products. But as I said other scents are no problem. Seems like IO should be your top priority. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jay7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@jay7](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jay7)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 8:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-needed-please-guys/58043/8 "2013-02-03T08:46:18Z")
Thanks again mysterion im going to give the killer newbie kit a go gunna try each product on its own and see how i get on then maybe might try to mix IO will be the first i try lol Thanks again mysterion really appreciate your help. ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-needed-please-guys/58043/9 "2013-02-03T20:36:15Z")
> [@jay7](#): > > Hi im new to theromones and i have been looking through the forum for quite awhile. Now i cant decide which mones to get there seems to be lots of good mixes that i cant decide which would work best for me. I was reading a post which the guy uses P83 combined with IS P102 and he added TUTH later which he said he had great results. I just want some advice if this is any good or if there will be any better mixes. Also can you use your regular aftershave while wearing mones or not?. > > Thankyou > > Jay7 Well that was me actually. For newbies, I’d say Ammo, TUTH, IO, and perhaps IH or IG are great for you. I think I got lucky finding the perfect blend of P83 and other pheromones, so I have to say, find your sweet spots with some beginner products then start adding stuff like P83 to the mix after you have determined what works for you as a standalone. Please be aware though, TUTH can actually turn a woman off to you. She may think you are just too overtly sexual. Ammo and IO have heard does wonders for getting the ice broken and getting some nice initial interest from women in you. I have only tried this mix one with some mixed results, but a lot of people on this forum say AMMO + IO is a pretty nice social mix. IS may help you with the confidence boost you need. ---
**Author:** ![jay7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@jay7](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jay7)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 11:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-needed-please-guys/58043/10 "2013-02-04T11:00:30Z")
Hi yes it was you EGuz92 i have purchased the newbie kit see how i get on with that. Try them on there own first then maybe start to experiment after. So thanks for all the help i will keep every1 posted on how i get on etc. Thanks Jay7