# Help out a noob... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 23, 2008, 9:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113 "2008-09-23T09:29:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Klimentiy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/klimentiy/32/306_2.png) [@Klimentiy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Klimentiy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 9:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/1 "2008-09-23T09:29:08Z")
So a friend of mine who is a model said he just ordered some a cologne with [pheromones](https://a314.com/). He always gets compliments at parties from the females… they just love his smell. And so i decided to do a little research… now i am here. There is an overwhelming amount of information on this forum! So i need some direct assistance. I am a 20 year old not bad looking guy, stylish and in great physical shape and i want the attention my buddy gets. SO the question goes.. what pheromones to use? From what i see there is so much stuff out there… 😕 What i am looking for is an erotic type of attention at parties and attraction of opposite sex at the college 🙂 So please fill me in with info. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 9:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/2 "2008-09-23T09:49:04Z")
The best place to start would be the stickies and the FAQs. Just take your time and read through the first thread. Then the next and so forth. There is a lot of overlapping of information and thus it can be overwhelming. I almost always recommend social products, but usually guys are looking for more “sexual” products. I’d say look into Ammo for your sexual, Instant Shine for your everyday, and either Instant Openness or Instant Honesty. You probably will prefer one or the other. I don’t know for sure, but I think you can find all those products in TOGO sizes. Other than that [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) isn’t a bad idea. I’d leave A314 untl you’ve tried pheromones and have gotten the hang of them. TUTH sounds appealing but again, for general attraction, I’d recommend Ammo over TUTH. Sexy dance moves help get you laid, grabbing ass helps you get laid out. 😉 Ammo is sexy dance, TUTH is grabbing ass. Know which to do and when to do it. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 10:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/3 "2008-09-23T10:34:10Z")
hello and welcome to the forums Klimentiy. if you want to find out what works in the situations you described, it helps tremendously to provide enough personal information so that others here can not only make suggestions but so that you can ultimately relate to the people _ **behind** _ the reports. the simple facts are that what works for a full grown 50 yr old 130 pound asian male may not work as well, or at all, if you are a 20 yr old 230 pound african male. for example, i am a late 30’s caucasian male and if i was in the situation you described for parties and college, i would try minimal doses of TUTH and/or Ammo with liberal doses of Instant Shine and/or [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). since you are probably half my age, you might be better advised to use TUTH sparingly, especially in combo with Ammo, or better yet just use more Ammo with any of the chatty social mones and you will have enough opportunities to be the life of the party, both grabbing attention and encouraging conversation. as Phya wisely suggested, a couple of hours spent reading the stickies in the mens forum will help open your eyes to a world of possible combinations and mixes but only time and experimentation will find what works for you. start small, get familiar, keep posting and reading here, learn, use to your advantage. good luck. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 10:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/4 "2008-09-23T10:48:09Z")
> [@](#): > > I am a 20 year old not bad looking guy, stylish and in great physical shape and i want the attention my buddy gets. > SO the question goes.. what pheromones to use? From what i see there is so much stuff out there… 😕 > What i am looking for is an erotic type of attention at parties and attraction of opposite sex at the college 🙂 Hi there welcome to the forum 🙂 AMMO is what your looking for. Its a well rounded buffered product perfect for your age group. It can be worn anywhere and its sexy and grabs attention. You may want to check out some Instant Honesty or Instant Shine as well. [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) wont give you the erotic vibe your looking for neither will A314. Turn Up The Heat will come on to strong for the environment you plan to use it in. Have fun If you have questions just ask. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Klimentiy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/klimentiy/32/306_2.png) [@Klimentiy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Klimentiy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 6:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/5 "2008-09-23T18:01:20Z")
Thank you guys. Great info. 😉 So i am guessing the stuff they sell on ebay is just garbage? for example this one: Arouse-Rx 25x ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 7:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/6 "2008-09-23T19:04:20Z")
For the party atmosphere, [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) or the combination of TUTH and IO would give you the best results. I think the party ratio is 3 to 1 on the IO to TUTH; so 3 sprays of IO and 1 spray TUTH. Ammo is more balanced and can be worn in less social settings or on a daily basis. The stronger TUTH and IO works better where there are more people around to buffer the scent some. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 8:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/7 "2008-09-23T20:25:31Z")
> [@Klimentiy](#): > > Thank you guys. Great info. 😉 > So i am guessing the stuff they sell on ebay is just garbage? for example this one: Arouse-Rx 25x No most stuff on ebay is crap or very mild, There are other companies that are good. Not as good as this one LOL. I suggest you stay away from ebay till your more familar with pheromones in general. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Klimentiy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/klimentiy/32/306_2.png) [@Klimentiy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Klimentiy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 5:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/8 "2008-09-24T05:05:50Z")
I’m getting Ammo right now. Also, would it be a good idea to also get [Turn Up the Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) and mix it with ammo in a one on one situation, for example: watching a movie over at her house. Or ammo would be enough? Just spray it 3-4 times may be? ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 9:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/9 "2008-09-24T09:54:50Z")
3-4 sprays of ammo is a lot of cologne scent. tuth and ammo has been done before, but don’t underestimate the effectiveness of socials. ---
**Author:** ![BadBoysDriveAudi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/badboysdriveaudi/32/2292_2.png) [@BadBoysDriveAudi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BadBoysDriveAudi)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 10:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/10 "2008-09-24T10:13:15Z")
> [@Klimentiy](#): > > I’m getting Ammo right now. > Also, would it be a good idea to also get Turn Up the Heat and mix it with ammo in a one on one situation, for example: watching a movie over at her house. Or ammo would be enough? Just spray it 3-4 times may be? Four sprays of Ammo would be way too much. The strong cologne smell will be overbearing. Two sprays is generally enough. I’ve only used three sprays once, and while I did get hits, I think it was just too much. Pairing Ammo with Socials, like [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Shine, are very good combos. If you decided to mix Ammo and Turn Up The Heat, I’d do one shot each - and then still hit yourself with a couple shots of the Socials. One thing I’ve noticed is that if I spray Ammo at the base of the neck/top of the chest area, I get better hits than if I simply spray my chest between the pecks area. To me, I still smell it with a shirt on, but I think the shirt hampers the smell a bit with respect to others. Moving the target area up some allows the smell to drift further and I just get more hits. Just FYI… Any strategy on where you plan to apply the product(s)? ---
**Author:** ![Klimentiy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/klimentiy/32/306_2.png) [@Klimentiy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Klimentiy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/11 "2008-09-24T20:35:57Z")
> [@BadBoysDriveAudi](#): > > Four sprays of Ammo would be way too much. The strong cologne smell will be overbearing. Two sprays is generally enough. I’ve only used three sprays once, and while I did get hits, I think it was just too much. > > Pairing Ammo with Socials, like Instant Openness and Instant Shine, are very good combos. If you decided to mix Ammo and Turn Up The Heat, I’d do one shot each - and then still hit yourself with a couple shots of the Socials. > > One thing I’ve noticed is that if I spray Ammo at the base of the neck/top of the chest area, I get better hits than if I simply spray my chest between the pecks area. To me, I still smell it with a shirt on, but I think the shirt hampers the smell a bit with respect to others. Moving the target area up some allows the smell to drift further and I just get more hits. Just FYI… > > Any strategy on where you plan to apply the product(s)? Neck and chest area. A quick question about colognes… i always use either red burberry, d&g, or light green lacoste. I understand that Ammo got a cologne scent? so if i am planning to use ammo mainly, should i still use my colognes every once in a while? Or just stick with ammo and toss out the other ones? ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 8:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/12 "2008-09-24T20:51:22Z")
> [@Klimentiy](#): > > I’m getting Ammo right now. > Also, would it be a good idea to also get Turn Up the Heat and mix it with ammo in a one on one situation, for example: watching a movie over at her house. Or ammo would be enough? Just spray it 3-4 times may be? for a 20 year old male 1-2 sprays would be about max. 1 spray ammo 1 spray TUTH, more than that and you risk -none OD, and pushing her away especially in a close setting like watching TV/cuddling. > [@Klimentiy](#): > > Neck and chest area. > A quick question about colognes… i always use either red burberry, d&g, or light green lacoste. I understand that Ammo got a cologne scent? so if i am planning to use ammo mainly, should i still use my colognes every once in a while? Or just stick with ammo and toss out the other ones? Ammo is cologne scented, by default, a smell like Hugo Boss or similar. You can keep using your current ones, (I have no idea what they smell like) if they smell good to you and her I would keep going, but I found that ammo was a great stand alone and dropped all others I have worn, plus I like the results I get from it. ---
**Author:** ![BadBoysDriveAudi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/badboysdriveaudi/32/2292_2.png) [@BadBoysDriveAudi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BadBoysDriveAudi)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/13 "2008-09-25T00:11:58Z")
> [@Klimentiy](#): > > Neck and chest area. > A quick question about colognes… i always use either red burberry, d&g, or light green lacoste. I understand that Ammo got a cologne scent? so if i am planning to use ammo mainly, should i still use my colognes every once in a while? Or just stick with ammo and toss out the other ones? I would drop the other colognes to start so you can get a feel for how the products smell on you by themselves and how long they last. I’ve noticed that Instant Shine, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), Instant Honesty and Come Talk to Me all seem to wear off faster than Ammo. Two shots of Ammo and I’m still smelling it after six hours. Honestly, I believe you could get away with one shot of Ammo and your cologne. Moving to two (or three shots) of Ammo plus cologne is going to be scent overkill. The girl will say you smell like you applied WAY TOO MUCH cologne, and you’ll want to stay away from people until the scent dies down. I’ve learned to table my designer colognes if I’m wearing Ammo. I think I’ll try D&G Light Blue with it tomorrow and see if I can strike a balance. I can tell you right now though, I’ll only be shooting myself with Ammo once though. ---
**Author:** ![Klimentiy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/klimentiy/32/306_2.png) [@Klimentiy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Klimentiy)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 2:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/14 "2008-09-25T02:25:52Z")
Great info guys. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Klimentiy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/klimentiy/32/306_2.png) [@Klimentiy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Klimentiy)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 4:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/15 "2008-09-25T04:05:03Z")
and yet another question… Will for example, the hair product or deodorant i use interfere with ammo? I am also an athlete, so i do sweat a lot and need a good antiperspirant. P.S. How long does it take to receive the order? I live in 530, cali. Used DHL overnight shipment method. Its been 2 days. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 7:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/16 "2008-09-25T07:56:46Z")
No, unless you are applying the pheromones in your armpits or hair. Even with the hair, I would think the additional heat from the top of your head would more than make up for the reduced diffusion, but I’ve never tried it, so I can’t say with absolute certainty. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 8:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/17 "2008-09-25T08:11:21Z")
> [@Klimentiy](#): > > and yet another question… Will for example, the hair product or deodorant i use interfere with ammo? I am also an athlete, so i do sweat a lot and need a good antiperspirant. > > P.S. How long does it take to receive the order? I live in 530, cali. Used DHL overnight shipment method. Its been 2 days. personally i wouldn’t use an anti-perspirant if you paid me but to each his own. as for the hair products/deodorants interfering, i regularly put 1 drop of A314 on my chest and cover with an axe type body spray. i’ve even added drops of -none and TAA to my hair gel but after several tests i think i prefer using the hair gel first and then following up with a spray phero. sounds like a long time to get your order, i have been getting mine in around 4 days and i live in thailand. ---
**Author:** ![BadBoysDriveAudi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/badboysdriveaudi/32/2292_2.png) [@BadBoysDriveAudi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BadBoysDriveAudi)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 8:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/18 "2008-09-25T08:30:41Z")
> [@Klimentiy](#): > > and yet another question… Will for example, the hair product or deodorant i use interfere with ammo? I am also an athlete, so i do sweat a lot and need a good antiperspirant. > > P.S. How long does it take to receive the order? I live in 530, cali. Used DHL overnight shipment method. Its been 2 days. Same here. I honestly haven’t noticed an effect from Ammo when playing sports and I gave it a few good tests. When I spray it on my body, I simply can’t smell it after a good workout. When I spray my hair, I can smell a bit of it when I’m showering after the workout. Perhaps the no hits were due to everyone already respecting my ability, or maybe it has to do with a ton of alphas running around. I don’t know. All I know is we work as a team and I didn’t notice anything different during practices. Give it a go though; I’d be interested in seeing if you notice something different. ---
**Author:** ![BadBoysDriveAudi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/badboysdriveaudi/32/2292_2.png) [@BadBoysDriveAudi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BadBoysDriveAudi)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 8:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/19 "2008-09-25T08:38:55Z")
> [@josef](#): > > personally i wouldn’t use an anti-perspirant if you paid me but to each his own. Wow! I simply must use anti-perspirant or I will begin sweating and stinking. My body is simply predisposed to sweating under the arms. My saving grace is the clinical strength products now that you can get over the counter. The bad thing about all of this is that I buy A LOT of laundry stain remover (shout!, etc) for my clothing. I have to wash all shirts, polos and tees in warm water and spray the stain remover at the pits in order to get the anti-perspirant out of the clothing; otherwise it’ll dry and set-in in the dryer. That means I wear tees under my dress shirts always, and constantly throw away tees when they start to get a yellow stain under the arms. I also have a fleet of worn dress shirts dedicated to wear under sweaters (not about to wear a tee, shirt and then a sweater). Once the dress shirts reach a certain point, I chuck 'em. My clothing bill is insane. Scratch that…my closet is INSANE! But whadda ya gonna do - not wear clothes? I can only imagine the chaos I’d cause doing something like that. It’s bad enough if I wear a fitted or stretch tee to work on Fridays. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 9:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113/20 "2008-09-25T09:23:31Z")
i remember earlier you said you take creatine , so you drink a lot of water. i’m no doctor but your body needs to sweat that out and in particular, that “pit” sweat carries quite a loud pheromonal signature if i’m not mistaken. i sweat more than i’d like to but not enough for me to justify cutting off what i feel is an essential bodily function. i used to wear t-shirts under my dress shirts all the time, i have posted a few times here that a favorite A314 trick of mine is to have a shower before bed, then apply A314 and wear a tshirt that i intend to wear under my dress shirt for the next day. i don’t do that anymore here since, in this climate, no one wears long sleeves and that extra shirt would be a burden. on most days here i think my phero signature is mistaken for the chang beer i am sweating out from the night before haha. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-out-a-noob/20113.md?page=2)