# Help turning a long time friend into a lover **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 19, 2010, 8:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415 "2010-06-19T08:28:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MRSNAKE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@MRSNAKE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MRSNAKE)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 8:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/1 "2010-06-19T08:28:30Z")
I have known this women for many years. We have made out many times but we have never gone to the next level. She is very uptight and very good looking. She is about 5 years younger then me. I will be turning 30 very soon. Products that i will be getting are the IO, Alpha A314, and TUTH. I need to figure out a master plan of luring her in. I was thinking start off with the A314 for a few days. Starting with one spray on the first day and 2 sprays on the second then switching to the TUTH and starting from one spray of that and increasing sprays for 3 days and then adding the IO spray+TUTH together. I was also thinking of keeping the windows in my car closed for some time would that help? Would like some help thank you all. -Snake ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 11:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/2 "2010-06-19T11:49:31Z")
> [@MRSNAKE](#): > > I was also thinking of keeping the windows in my car closed for some time would that help? Would like some help thank you all. This can be very useful - I posted more details on another thread about how I recently had a woman tell me she wished we could just pull-over and “do things” when we were driving back from somwhere. Had a third party in the car so that was a no-go this time I was wearing a non androtics product along similar lines to [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)/TUTH at the time. I have also been reducing the amount of my old pheros, whilst gradually introducing androtics products, in the hope my sig won’t change too suddenly. And yes IME, the judicious use of pheros can eventually help make friends see you in a different light. Several ladyfriends have got a lot closer to me since I turned to pheros about six months ago. There needs to be some attraction/tension there too of course, so you may (or may not) need to alter other aspects of your behaviour towards them. Although in a couple of cases, friends launched into very intimate and graphic conversation the first time they met me with pheros on - one talked about sex in general whilst the other launched into a great conversation about her collection of sex toys! ---
**Author:** ![falcos](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/falcos/32/1189_2.png) [@falcos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/falcos)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 12:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/3 "2010-06-19T12:24:00Z")
I wont go near this thread with 10 foot pole in the future. To bad late experiences. But If I have to help you out would be, get A1, just a warning, if you start losing your self-confidence… quit. ---
**Author:** ![Twogunz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4da419/32.png) [@Twogunz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Twogunz)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 5:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/4 "2010-06-19T17:00:27Z")
First off stop thinking in terms of Luring.. thats dishonest. Change it to uyou want to shape her view of you. Start with A314 one drop only by itself and see how she reacts. Next use CTTM2 that will open her seriously up and you may not be able to shut her up. Women lobve to talk and when tehy are confortable with talking to you possibilities go way up (2 sprays CTTM2) Alternative A314, IH x 3 I have found this gets good solid hits and helps to bring them in. Of course all this is moot if you have the persona;ity of a dead clam. You have to play it cool and give out the respect. Women have this thing about dignity and not looking cheap. Other than that these should help you out immesurably as they have helped me. In fact I asak the woman I am wooing to take a sniff of my new cologne and tell me what she thinks. She gets a snoot full of TUTH and A314 then she goes all misty eyed and gets clingy . And then I wake up and teh dream is over lol > [@MRSNAKE](#): > > I have known this women for many years. We have made out many times but we have never gone to the next level. She is very uptight and very good looking. She is about 5 years younger then me. I will be turning 30 very soon. Products that i will be getting are the IO, Alpha A314, and TUTH. I need to figure out a master plan of luring her in. I was thinking start off with the A314 for a few days. Starting with one spray on the first day and 2 sprays on the second then switching to the TUTH and starting from one spray of that and increasing sprays for 3 days and then adding the IO spray+TUTH together. I was also thinking of keeping the windows in my car closed for some time would that help? Would like some help thank you all. > > -Snake ---
**Author:** ![MRSNAKE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@MRSNAKE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MRSNAKE)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 5:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/5 "2010-06-19T17:06:30Z")
> [@Twogunz](#): > > First off stop thinking in terms of Luring.. thats dishonest. Change it to uyou want to shape her view of you. > > Start with A314 one drop only by itself and see how she reacts. Next use CTTM2 that will open her seriously up and you may not be able to shut her up. Women lobve to talk and when tehy are confortable with talking to you possibilities go way up (2 sprays CTTM2) > > Alternative > > A314, IH x 3 > > I have found this gets good solid hits and helps to bring them in. Of course all this is moot if you have the persona;ity of a dead clam. You have to play it cool and give out the respect. Women have this thing about dignity and not looking cheap. Other than that these should help you out immesurably as they have helped me. In fact I asak the woman I am wooing to take a sniff of my new cologne and tell me what she thinks. She gets a snoot full of TUTH and A314 then she goes all misty eyed and gets clingy . And then I wake up and teh dream is over lol Thanks for the help. I would like to hear on what other people have to say also. Thanks all. I just have one question for you. Will the A314 and the TUTH make a good combo? ---
**Author:** ![MRSNAKE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@MRSNAKE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MRSNAKE)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 5:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/6 "2010-06-19T17:15:55Z")
I been using arouse rx these past few days and believe it or not i have been getting hits. My friends girlfriend kept making eye contact with me and smiling, this Chinese girl at mac donalds gave me a smile, a girl at tim hortans drive in did the same. The girl i am also talking about in the post above yesterday was really touchy touchy with me and in a good mode. I can’t tell if it’s the arousal rx or if it is because i am good looking. I will be meeting the same girl again today and i consider her my ginny pig right now. I can’t wait to get the products that i have ordered. How long does the shipping usually take? I will keep you informed about my meeting with my ginny pig later today. -Snake ---
**Author:** ![sweetsense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@sweetsense](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sweetsense)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/7 "2010-06-19T17:44:26Z")
If she’s good friend, ask her do a few favors for you, this would let her feel that she has an ‘investment’ in you. Of course pay her back with dinner and maybe do a few ‘men’s things’ around her house or with her car. If you get to ‘make out’ again, rub her backand shoulders, let her become the aggressive one as you continue kino, she she progresses, it’s then her idea. ---
**Author:** ![Twogunz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4da419/32.png) [@Twogunz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Twogunz)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/8 "2010-06-19T18:04:31Z")
You can shape her by saying for example. I love it when you do that thing with your smile.. or anything like that In order to get reinforcements she will do those things. Women have a thing called dignity. when men behave like pigs it offends tehir sense of dignity and if they wanted to be intimtae it makes them feel slutty as a result. Women want to make out just like men. They just dont want to be perceived as sluts while doing it. Always look after their sense of dignity, and you can never go wrong. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 10:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/9 "2010-06-19T22:46:30Z")
Sorry, but it is unlikely that [pheromones](https://a314.com/) will help you in this situation because her impression of you is already well formed. If it’s that important to you, then you might as well give the pheromones a shot in addition to everything else in your master plan. Just be careful with the sexual products such as TUTH, IJ, NPA, TE, PI, etc… If she does feel some sexual attraction for you already, those products can amplify it and move things forward. **But** if she feels no sexual attraction with you at all, it is very possible that those products will make her feel very uncomfortable around you and dump you as a friend. Remember that pheromones are a double edged sword. They may help you move things forward with her but they may also help drive her away. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 11:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/10 "2010-06-19T23:21:37Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > **But if she feels no sexual attraction with you at all, it is very possible that those products will make her feel very uncomfortable around you and dump you as a friend.** It is somewhat true. However, I think it is worth risking, unless the woman is like your one and only best bud. It is worth risking. I would do it! ---
**Author:** ![Bearcat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bearcat/32/739_2.png) [@Bearcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bearcat)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 12:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/11 "2010-06-20T00:58:47Z")
I totally agree with with CoolKatDC. If you want the girl and she doesn’t want you, the situation will only drive you crazy anyway. I really like your original pheromone plan. Starting with A314, moving to TUTH, and then to TUTH +IO seems like a pretty solid beginning strategy. 2-3 drops of A314 and a shot of TUTH might help sway things in your favor but remember, pheromones are not magic. You have got to earn it. ---
**Author:** ![MRSNAKE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@MRSNAKE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MRSNAKE)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 3:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/12 "2010-06-20T15:50:25Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > It is somewhat true. However, I think it is worth risking, unless the woman is like your one and only best bud. It is worth risking. I would do it! Thank you for the help everyone and yes it is worth it. If she did not like me we would not of made out so many times and still to this day we have this touchy touchy thing going on and she still does a lot of hair play. I made a big mistake when i allowed us to become friends first. I hate friend-ism. Now i gotta slowly start to move things in a different direction. At least we are comfortable with each other. ---
**Author:** ![MRSNAKE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@MRSNAKE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MRSNAKE)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 5:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/13 "2010-06-20T17:16:26Z")
Damn I just noticed they are running out of stock of everything. I just ordered the IH and the shine right now before they run out of that also. I should of got 2 of the MX347 when they had it. damn. O well. You guys better get stuff if you need it now before its gone. ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/14 "2010-06-20T17:21:51Z")
> [@MRSNAKE](#): > > Damn I just noticed they are running out of stock of everything. I just ordered the IH and the shine right now before they run out of that also. I should of got 2 of the MX347 when they had it. damn. O well. You guys better get stuff if you need it now before its gone. It truly is a reoccurring theme here but what are you gonna do. As long as we know AD is around theres always a reason to celebrate =) ---
**Author:** ![\_Vicodin.Dreams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/85e7bf/32.png) [@\_Vicodin.Dreams](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/_Vicodin.Dreams)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 5:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/15 "2010-06-20T17:29:03Z")
As a girl who’s been in this sort of situation: Go for it. I’ve been in the girls situation: Friends with someone, we fooled around before, and I’m just too stubborn to go forward myself and let him know “HEY. IT’S OK IF WE GO FURTHER.” He acted in certain ways around me: more confidence, winks and lots of light petting when hanging out (Hand on the shoulder/back, a hand playing with my hair for a moment when watching a movie, those sort of non-threatening things) that I didn’t see in him when we hung in a group. I changed his placement from “That one guy I’m friends with and occasionally get a little frisky” to “Him. He’s the one I want now. We should be doing things.” And that was just from him changing his attitude around me, imagine the effect should Pheromones be added to the mix. I say go for it. c: ---
**Author:** ![MRSNAKE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@MRSNAKE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MRSNAKE)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/16 "2010-06-20T18:28:01Z")
> [@'\[.Vicodin.Dreams.](#): > > ;337965’]As a girl who’s been in this sort of situation: > Go for it. > > I’ve been in the girls situation: Friends with someone, we fooled around before, and I’m just too stubborn to go forward myself and let him know “HEY. IT’S OK IF WE GO FURTHER.” He acted in certain ways around me: more confidence, winks and lots of light petting when hanging out (Hand on the shoulder/back, a hand playing with my hair for a moment when watching a movie, those sort of non-threatening things) that I didn’t see in him when we hung in a group. I changed his placement from “That one guy I’m friends with and occasionally get a little frisky” to “Him. He’s the one I want now. We should be doing things.” > > And that was just from him changing his attitude around me, imagine the effect should Pheromones be added to the mix. > > I say go for it. c: Thanks. Always good 2 get a females point of view. Yes i will go for it. I will be getting my inventory this upcoming week i hope. I have ordered mx347, Shine, IO, IH, TUTH and am waiting for the ammo and the drop version of the mx347 to come in stock. I am 6’2 194lbs 29 years old and I am good looking to begin with. I have noted down some of the combos people have been telling me. Any more helpful tips would be great. Thank you all for helping. -Snake ---
**Author:** ![sweetsense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@sweetsense](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sweetsense)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 7:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/17 "2010-06-20T19:20:42Z")
I married a woman that only considered me as a friend, I let her know true friendship is a requirement of a good relationship. It worked for me, she started missing me when I started spending time with someone else. Sher called me saying she started crying about losing her ‘best friend’(me) ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/18 "2010-06-20T20:45:21Z")
also figure out why you guys are “just friends.” How old is she? Is she around your age like 28 or 29? At that age, she would be looking for security and comfort. Usually most girls (~80%) in late 20’s are looking for something serious, more often than not. It is not like teens or early or mid 20’s. People grow and change for better - well not all, but still… They would be looking a real good family man (husband-type): someone with a good job, a lot of money, prestige, intelligence, etc ; also, someone who is trustworthy, dependable, strong physically and mentally. Try to improve those aspects of your life too, along with using something like IG or A314. ---
**Author:** ![MRSNAKE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@MRSNAKE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MRSNAKE)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 12:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/19 "2010-06-21T00:18:55Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > also figure out why you guys are “just friends.” How old is she? Is she around your age like 28 or 29? At that age, she would be looking for security and comfort. Usually most girls (~80%) in late 20’s are looking for something serious, more often than not. > It is not like teens or early or mid 20’s. People grow and change for better - well not all, but still… > They would be looking a real good family man (husband-type): someone with a good job, a lot of money, prestige, intelligence, etc ; also, someone who is trustworthy, dependable, strong physically and mentally. Try to improve those aspects of your life too, along with using something like IG or A314. I make good money, have a nice job that makes ne good $$$$ and I drive a lexus is 350. This is a snake update. I was just with the subject and droped her odd 5 mins ago. I make up this update from my internet phone. We started off going to a nice park with a big pond with lots of ducks and stuff so I desided ti bring some bread to feed them. We also got some drinks. So today went very well. She is about 24 . 5 years younger then myself. All I was waering is the arousal rx that I got awhile ago. A noobie purchase but it seems to work. After drinking and joking around we seem to start hitting it off. I noticed massive amounts of hair play then usual. Then I started kissing her cheek a lot. Rubbing her body, grabbing her ass a lot, grabbed her boobs then I kissed her on the month and put my tongue in her mouth also while still rubbing her body. This happened for about 3 hours while still drinking and the final ice breaker was me fingering her which had never happened before. Mind you I have know her for a long long time. She kept say “I cant Believe this”. Over and over. If she can act up on arousal rx I can’t wait to get the good quality mones. I’m thinking I just use tuth to begin with since the ice has finally been broken. She alsp kept touching mu penis and grabbing my ass. Lots of smiles also today while she tried to play hard to get. I was more aggressive then I usually was also. I’m a happy man. ---
**Author:** ![MRSNAKE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@MRSNAKE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MRSNAKE)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 12:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415/20 "2010-06-21T00:22:22Z")
She also left her house keys in my car which has never happened in all the 8 years I have known her. Maybe I should pay her bed a visit later tonight? [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-turning-a-long-time-friend-into-a-lover/39415.md?page=2)