# Help With a Situation **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 6, 2012, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331 "2012-08-06T18:03:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Centaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Centaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Centaur)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2012, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/1 "2012-08-06T18:03:30Z")
In my journal you can read a longer version, but here is the condensed version: A lady at work, I’ll call her D- 30ish, very pretty, very cool, gf material it seems. We work in the same hosp, and have had an attraction sicne I started but it never went past just friendly talk. Anyway, I start using A314 at work and she just changes. Bam, overnight. All but forces me to get her number and invite her out to a drink. But still no admittance to our interest in each other, since we only see each oat work- so far. So I have set up a date for later this week. By then I will have: a314/a, ammo s.e., IS, IH, TUTH, mx275, P83, IG, [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) (regular version) Goal: to find out more of who she is, getting her turned on and having fun as well as bonding to see if I should risk the hassle of seeing a co-worker of sorts. I want to get a better sense of her, while simultaneously having fun and breaking down barriers to sex (obviously).. plus I like to tease, so turning her on would be alot of fun. here is what I am thinking IGx1 as a base IHx2 for bonding/intimacy [p83x2@12.5mcgs](mailto:p83x2@12.5mcgs) to break down our reservations ammox2 for sexuality Good idea? Suggestions? ---
**Author:** ![Centaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Centaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Centaur)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/2 "2012-08-06T18:07:21Z")
Also I should add that she is a perfect receptor for mones. Every mone I have tried on her walks almost exactly as advertised.. immediately. She should be a mones test subject or something ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2012, 9:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/3 "2012-08-06T21:01:09Z")
First make sure your employer allows inner-employee relations. Anyways. IO may not be needed. IH give an opening effect as well. You two already ‘opened’ each other and she has interest, it is not exactly needed to use it in my opinion. I would use IG x2 (Gives off a warm and sexy vibe) and one Ammo. Bring TuTH with you if things progress, you do not want to over do it with the TuTH and Ammo combination. Its a solid combination though. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2012, 11:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/4 "2012-08-06T23:07:14Z")
Stick to the A314 if that is working add a small amount of ammo to sex it up abit, IH would be a nice addition aswell to add some depth to the coversation, try not to over complicate you Sig to much though. ---
**Author:** ![Damage\_Control](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/damage_control/32/1059_2.png) [@Damage\_Control](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Damage_Control)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/5 "2012-08-07T00:57:54Z")
All solid advice… Keep it simple. Stick with what works and take your time. IMHO… A314 AMMO 2012 and IH If she is LTR stuff I would leave out the TUTH - just my thoughts on building the foundation of a solid relationship. (keep the TUTH with you just in case 😃 If using regular AMMO maybe a bit of IS HTH ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2012, 12:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/6 "2012-08-07T00:58:33Z")
> [@THE\_GHOST](#): > > Stick to the A314 if that is working add a small amount of ammo to sex it up abit, IH would be a nice addition aswell to add some depth to the coversation, try not to over complicate you Sig to much though. I agree with The Ghost. Stick with a base of A314 since you know she is attracted to that. You know each other but this is a first date so use Ammo to cause some mild arousal. Obviously there is attraction here already so that may be all you need to kick her own natural arousal into gear. Save the TUTH of dates. Women dont like men who move to fast. IH for connection and depth as well as intimacy will road out the other two. People tend to over do with layering and mixes. Ghost it right it just confuses and complicates the signals. When mixing all in one bottle you can use a lot of different components to steer. Usually this is done in very very low dosages. When layering its best to stick to 2 or 3 mixes. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Centaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Centaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Centaur)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/7 "2012-08-07T13:59:24Z")
Thanks to everyone and good advice. It makes sense to use what I know already works and not complicating my sig too much. So this is what I am thinking now. a314x1- as The Ghost said, I know it works, so keeping it makes sense and adds continuity Ammo (regular or s.e.?)x1- just to sex it up a bit P83(12.5mcg)- from what I gather it is a good disinhibitor and I think we need that more than anything. Working together has obviously made us much more cautious around each other and I’d like to challenge that a little. So its only 3 products, 2 of which she has been exposed to and seems to like. The only new addition is the P83. Thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2012, 3:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/8 "2012-08-07T15:55:26Z")
Looks like a good final mix. A314 may need some softening, which [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) would do. It would have less -None, and more socials making it a more fun vibe. P83 is a great disinhibitor. You would both act more on what you want to do. I’d say, depending on application point, 12.5 is good amount. It may not hit her, so I’d bring some with you. ---
**Author:** ![Centaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Centaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Centaur)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 5:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/9 "2012-08-25T17:55:28Z")
Update: Success! So it took awhile for us to arrange a night out together. She had canceled one previous attempt which was a bummer, but what I liked was that she was very very insistent about rescheduling, which is a sign I always look for. A woman who is interested in you and has a legitimate reason will always offer another day…so it was all good. We met up at a local bar/restaurant. I wore the mix basically as described: A314x1… I made it a light shot Ammo s.e. to the center of neck Iox1 by my right ear IHx1 to the left P83 x1 shared between my wrists Had a really really great time. Non- stop, fun, flowing conversation that went deep at times and stayed fun and light when not. Sign of interest throughout- although she is so sexy that its hard to tell if its just her natural way of being. We talked and drank until 3 am, and as the night went by there was more and more kino. At then end of the night I got a surprise peck on the lips. Considering that we work togetehr and it was our first outing I’m taking that as a green light. On the way home she texts me (always a good sign) and in the morning she showed up at work on her day off to bring me a coffee (espresso, double, with one brown sugar and a drop of cream- she remembered!) Things I learned 1.She is a keeper. I mean… really 2. Tailoring a mix for a specific situation really is where the mones shine. Thanks to everyone here for the suggestions! ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 11:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/10 "2012-08-25T23:55:16Z")
Fantastic results! ---
**Author:** ![NewBeeri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/85e7bf/32.png) [@NewBeeri](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NewBeeri)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/11 "2012-08-26T02:24:06Z")
Well. Done. Goodsir 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Centaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Centaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Centaur)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/12 "2012-08-31T20:27:45Z")
Update and a question.. TISHA I need you! lol So things have been going fairly well between me and my Lady friend. Until something unusual that really through me off. On the way out of work she pulls me aside and asks me when are we getting together again? That she really wants to see me. She said this almost stomping her feet like a little girl- it was adorable. I think it was the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). The fact is we hadn’t been able to get together since a second “date” we went on, unfortunately we were surrounded by other people so we barely had time to sneak a kiss without being seen. She was insistant because she was leaving for a long weekend and if we didn’t see each other soon, we’d have to wait until next week to get together. I responded just as eagerly as she about getting together. I told I would call her after work and we’d meet up. So I call after work and she doesn’t respond. WTF? Until 10pm. WTF? says she was with her sister and forgot her phone etc. Really lame. She apologized. So I broke a rule of mine and asked if there was another chance of meeting before she left. She tells me she had some tentative drinking plans and she could call if they fell through but realized that I probably wasnt going to sit around waiting. WTF? I mean really, WTF? So I was in a pretty bad position here. I didn’t want to go all wussy on her and be a doormat by pretending I wasn’t insulted, but I also didn’t want to ruin any chances with her by blowing up either. So I wrote back that although I found it a bit confusing, that she should just enjoy her long weekend. A note: I am really into her. I don’t think I’ve ever been this smitten by a woman. Its crazy. I am 40, and I have rarely been so convinced that I wanted a woman to be IT as I do this one. I think of her all the time. Its crazy.. that isn’t my usual way. I have a deep sense that we are meant. And thats crazy talk coming from a guy like me who doesn’t believe in anything of the sort.. WTF? So the next day she texts me. I had decided I wasn’t going to text an just see what happened at work next week. But there was her text.. some ridiculous question about a typo in my text. I responded to the typo and nothing more. I sensed that she was fishing to see how upset I was… So I went with curt but responsive. again, I like her, but I won’t be a doormat. She texts again..something about a drink I had. I responded curtly again. Answering her question and nothing more. This went on 3 more times. So I finally wrapped my head around it and figured maybe this was a shit test and I needed a good response. I went out that evening to a bar and texted her. I told her that the bartender was watering my drinks down (she mentioned that this is an obsession of hers) and BTW, that she sucked for being a flake. It was written very comically. I was hoping some levity would at once say “I am angry, but I can handle it with humor” she wrote back that my text cracked her up and that she really was sorry. So two questions- and I would love to hear from Tish 1. wtf? is up with her behavior? and 2. Any suggestions on how to handle it Tuesday at work when we see each other, and with what mix. Sorry for the long post. This Lady has her hooks in me.. Its crazy. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 1:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/13 "2012-09-01T01:52:55Z")
> [@](#): > > So two questions- and I would love to hear from Tish 1. wtf? is up with her behavior? and 2. Any suggestions on how to handle it Tuesday at work when we see each other, and with what mix. 1. Well, it could have been her sister needed her for something. I know when my sister is upset or in trouble I will drop everything to get to her but since you said you would call her after work and she didnt call you and let you know she was going to be unavailable because of her sister beforehand it most likely was the shit test of sorts and you handled it well. She is fishing around to see how into her you are. I would have suggested delaying your text responses to her but your vagueness with your response was good to. The good news about this is if she is shit testing you she is into you. We dont shit test people we dont want to be with. 2. Tuesday at work. Do not act all disappointed you didnt get together with her. Let her bring it up and when she does act like its no big deal. Ask her how her weekend was and then tell her you had a great weekend to. I dont care if you sat home bored to death. Smile and lie LOL She is fishing for the “I missed you” and waiting for you to stomp your foot all cute like and say we have to get together. I dont know if you ever read my posts on fishing as a metaphor for the relationship dance but I will give you a short version. Your bait is in the water and your target fish is aware of it dangling there. If you let to much line out and make it to easy for the fish they usually wont bite because of there natural instinct to hunt. So you dangle the bait and pull it back a little, then dangle it again and pull back and each time the fish gets a little closer and a little closer until finally it strikes Then you set your hook and real them in. Its time to pull the bait back just a little and see if she pursues. Your own shit test of sorts. My guess is she will try to reschedule something. Don’t jump all over the offer and say the usual " I will call you after work and we will get together" Delay getting together a day or so. Say something like "I have plans tonight but maybe tomorrow. I will call you ( but don’t say when you will call) This is a subtle reminder that your not going to do all the chasing and she is not going to control you or your behavior. If she doesn’t try to reschedule something then she could be prolonging her shit test. Waiting for you to make the move proving your totally “into her” or to the fish (this worm is easy pickin’s). Don’t ask her Tuesday or Wednesday. Let her stew a little. Then nonchalantly ask her out after the stew period. These two days of stewing are your “pulling back of the bait” she will watch and start to think her target is getting away and follow it. Don’t be flirtatious or pursuant during pull back. Its fine to be friendly and nice though. After the stew period its fine to set up a new date because your going to start dangling your bait again. What to wear… Definitely A314, maybe slightly up the dose a little. Ammo and IO. Leave off the IH. Its absence may make her feel she losing her connection to you and she will want that back. Use it again after the stewing period. We want her to pursue the bait. Ok go out and have fun this weekend so you don’t have to lie to her LOL If she text messages you over the weekend delay your response. Don’t message back right away. Do not message her first. I know that may be hard but if you want to be a good fishermen and hook your fish it takes patience 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Centaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Centaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Centaur)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 7:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/14 "2012-09-01T07:03:39Z")
I love you Tish. I knew you’d have the perfect perspective on it. I tell you, guys think I have good game, but ostly I operate well because I normally don’t really care much whetehr its one woman or another. So being the interesting worm comes easy. But with this lady its so much harder because I care. I really really do. WTF? Normally I would have spotted the “shit test” (btw, I really hate that term, I think it misrepresents what women are actually doing. Women aren’t trying to make you feel bad, they just want reassurances that you are what they think you are). But with her all I could think was “she doesn’t like me” which was at once devastating and confusing, considering how much she has driven this entire affair thus far. Thank you Tish. I wish I had a real way to show my appreciation for all your help. A thank you will have to suffice, I guess. But know it is very real gratitude. Your man is one lucky dude. ---
**Author:** ![Apoplectic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/apoplectic/32/398_2.png) [@Apoplectic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Apoplectic)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/15 "2012-09-01T15:34:25Z")
I don’t know much about mones, but eveything else Tisha has said I am in 100% agreement with. I wish it were a lot simpler than this, but I don’t think it would be anywhere near as fun, and we wouldn’t really feel like we had earned a victory if it weren’t. As for the why you have it so bad for her, it happens man. I don’t even want to get into how bad I had it to a girl my senior year of HS. At least you know more or less what you’re doing. I was just friends with her until she broke up with her year long boyfriend, when I pounced like a desperate starving dog. Needless to say I had no idea wtf I was doing and made a _power_ tool out of myself. Anywho, good luck mate and I hope to be having these kind of results soon. ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-a-situation/56331/16 "2012-09-01T23:25:59Z")
Tisha, I commend you helping out here. It is very challenging for men to decode this, even with experience of going out five nights a week (Albiet for just a couple years). It is enlightening. I do want to jump on the post of glory and offer some keen insight on what I do and I see work with making plans. My go-to with ‘flaky’ women…it works 100% of the time, kinda… First thing I do is stop texting for a wee bit, and the next time I do text I make it at a random time when I am free and I think she is not, as in working. I say something like: “Me and some peeps are going on this adventure, your type of thing. Thought it would be rude to not invite you. Catch me before I dip out.” She will respond, to just KNOW what you were going to do. I do not respond. I do it a couple days later, same line of thought, “In and out today, catch me for our plans.” She will respond. I will normally answer this one back, what ever she says, I reply with something to the effect of, “I sent that to the wrong person.” Third time, its the same as the first time. Something spur of the moment, fun, vague, and when I think she should be free. It turns into her chasing you down, trying to fit herself into your plans. If she cant, you make it seem like no big deal. This works especially well on people I already see quite often or on women who are in high demand and I did not get her interested enough. If I see her often, such as waitresses, social butterflies, bar regulars, party girls, ect. They will ALWAYS ask what I did, why I did not reply, ect. I brush it off, never apologize, and say, “You missed a boat load of fun. Too bad.” I never answer directly, if anything I say, “Oh my goodness, you would have loves it, we laughed for the longest time. And Sarah (A made up girl’s name when I share the events) did the craziest things.” The whole point is to be vague, spontaneous, and unreactive. Hope I sprinkled in some value.