# HELP with EST Dilution!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 28, 2010, 2:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103 "2010-04-28T02:28:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sunbubbles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@Sunbubbles](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sunbubbles)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 2:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/1 "2010-04-28T02:28:40Z")
Ok, so I REALLY need help diluting my EST from LS. The bottle says its a total of 10 mg/bottle . Heres what Im thinking. Correct me if Im wrong. If I use the same bottle that the EST came in (Ill empty the rest of the EST into an empty blue cobalt bottle) 1mg=1,000 mcg SO, If I use 1mg of the EST and 9mg of Perfumers Alchohol, that"ll give me about 9mcg of EST/ spray right?? Would it be correct to dilute it that way?😮 Somebody please help me!! Ive been searching for the exact dilution information, but I need it explained in simple terms! LOL 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 3:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/2 "2010-04-28T03:50:21Z")
> [@Sunbubbles](#): > > Ok, so I REALLY need help diluting my EST from LS. The bottle says its a total of 10 mg/bottle . Heres what Im thinking. Correct me if Im wrong. > > If I use the same bottle that the EST came in (Ill empty the rest of the EST into an empty blue cobalt bottle) > > 1mg=1,000 mcg > > SO, If I use 1mg of the EST and 9mg of Perfumers Alchohol, that"ll give me about 9mcg of EST/ spray right?? Would it be correct to dilute it that way?😮 > Somebody please help me!! Ive been searching for the exact dilution information, but I need it explained in simple terms! LOL 😛 Okay look. The amount of mcg per spray depends on the bottle your using. 1000/10 which entails dividing the amount of mcgs by the total amount of mL which in your case is 10 mL since 9 perfumers + the 1 mL that holds the 1000 mcgs. That will tell you how many mcgs are in each mL. To find the amount of mcgs per spray in the “to go” you’d divide the amount of mcgs per mL by 8 since to go’s spray about 8 sprays per mL. Otherwise for the big bottle you’d divide by 6.667 instead 1000 mcgs in 10 ml is 100 mcgs per mL In a big bottle spray that is equivalent to 15 mcgs per spray In a to go bottle that is equivalent to 12.5 mcgs per spray I hope my explanation wasn’t confusing 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 9:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/3 "2010-04-28T09:57:12Z")
I believe with LS you get 10 ml of 1 mg/ml concentration, and it needs to be diluted. At 1 mg per 1 ml of carrier if you transferred it to an Androtics spray bottle it would have a 150 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) /spray concentration. So, you need to dilute it down. I make a stock 50 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) /spray solution by adding 20 ml of perfumer’s alcohol to the 10 ml of EST 50 mcg to 100 mcg is about what most women use. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Sunbubbles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@Sunbubbles](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sunbubbles)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 1:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/4 "2010-05-01T13:52:23Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I believe with LS you get 10 ml of 1 mg/ml concentration, and it needs to be diluted. > > At 1 mg per 1 ml of carrier if you transferred it to an Androtics spray bottle it would have a 150 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) /spray concentration. So, you need to dilute it down. > > I make a stock 50 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) /spray solution by adding 20 ml of perfumer’s alcohol to the 10 ml of EST > > 50 mcg to 100 mcg is about what most women use. > > Tisha Thanks so much for your response! So does that mean that if I had 25 ml of perfumers alcohol and 5 ml of EST, then I would be having a 20 mcg/ spray dosage?? ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2010, 6:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/5 "2010-05-02T06:03:27Z")
Okay, so you’re making me do math when I’m drunk on a Saturday nite. Check my work - Tisha says you’re starting with 150mcg per spray. That’s probably right. You’re adding 25mL to 5mL to get **a _total_ of 30mL**. So you’ve got _six times the volume_ you started with. To get the the concentration you divide by six. 150 / 6 = **25 mcg per spray** To get 20mcg per spray you need to divide the 150 by 7.5. So you’d need to increase the volume by 7.5 times. 5ml \* 7.5 = 37.5mL How much do you need to add to 5mL to get 37.5mL? You’d add 32.5mL to 5mL to get 37.5mL total. _That_ would be 20mcg per spray. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2010, 10:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/6 "2010-05-02T10:30:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Okay, so you’re making me do math when I’m drunk on a Saturday nite. Check my work - LOL I commend you on that Warren. Math is not my strong suit even while sober. 😃 > [@](#): > > Tisha says you’re starting with 150mcg per spray. That’s probably right. I am pretty sure its right, I have a few bottles of EST from Androtics still so I dont dilute my own much. I am going on DJ.s explaination and I trust that. Here this post may help it always helps me. > [@How do I dilute concentrated pheromones?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-dilute-concentrated-pheromones/4460): > > Hey, I have concentrated estratetraenol (5 mg/5 mL) and concentrated androstanone (5 Mg/5 mL, but I wonder if that is a misprint, because that would be VERY concentrated) I wish I could dilute these so I can dose them, especially since I like knowing how much pheromone it takes to get a reaction. I am thinking about placing an online order with an ebay seller who sells atomizers that look exactly like the to-go atomizers as well as funnels and graduated pipettes. Anyway, nbully gave me a grea… Tisha ---
**Author:** ![classicalflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@classicalflower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/classicalflower)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/7 "2012-05-03T16:06:14Z")
Hopefully someone with better maths skills than myself will be able to help me out! This is slightly more confusing than I first thought! 😮 My EST is 10ml of 5mg/ml concentration… so if I wanted 50mcg/spray I would need to add how much diluent??? From the above calculations: If 1mg/ml = 150mcg/spray then 5mg/ml = 750mcg/spray. Therefore I would seem that I would need 1 part EST and 14 parts diluent if I wanted 50mcg/spray 😕 Next question - where can I get some perfumers alcohol?! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![somechick03862](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@somechick03862](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/somechick03862)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 6:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/8 "2012-05-03T18:34:40Z")
> [@classicalflower](#): > > Hopefully someone with better maths skills than myself will be able to help me out! This is slightly more confusing than I first thought! 😮 > > My EST is 10ml of 5mg/ml concentration… so if I wanted 50mcg/spray I would need to add how much diluent??? > > From the above calculations: > If 1mg/ml = 150mcg/spray then 5mg/ml = 750mcg/spray. > > Therefore I would seem that I would need 1 part EST and 14 parts diluent if I wanted 50mcg/spray 😕 > > Next question - where can I get some perfumers alcohol?! 🙂 If you look in the AD store under Mixing Supplies, you can purchase the 30 mL cobalt bottles with perfumer’s alcohol in them. Hope this helps! ---
**Author:** ![classicalflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@classicalflower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/classicalflower)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 4:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/9 "2012-05-04T04:14:10Z")
> [@somechick03862](#): > > If you look in the AD store under Mixing Supplies, you can purchase the 30 mL cobalt bottles with perfumer’s alcohol in them. Hope this helps! Brilliant - this is exactly what I need! I had looked at the mixing supplies but thought the bottles were empty…It didn’t occur to me to click on the link and have a proper look! Looks like i’m going to have to place another order soon 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dePlume](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deplume/32/181_2.png) [@dePlume](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dePlume)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/10 "2012-05-10T16:30:21Z")
Okay I’ve run backwards and forwards and can’t process the math. Every time I think I have it and double check myself I get a different answer. I’m getting EST at 2mg 10ml and a 30ml bottle of the perfumer’s dilution from AD with a pipette to measure, how do I _not_ screw this up too badly? ---
**Author:** ![classicalflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@classicalflower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/classicalflower)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 8:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/11 "2012-05-11T08:56:39Z")
> [@dePlume](#): > > Okay I’ve run backwards and forwards and can’t process the math. Every time I think I have it and double check myself I get a different answer. > I’m getting EST at 2mg 10ml and a 30ml bottle of the perfumer’s dilution from AD with a pipette to measure, how do I _not_ screw this up too badly? From what I can make out: At 1 mg per 1 ml of carrier if you transferred it to an Androtics spray bottle it would have a 150mcg/spray concentration but yours is double the concentration. Therefore 2mg per 1ml of carrier would give you 300mcg/spray. If 1 part [EST](https://a314.com/) and 5 parts dilutent ===\> 25 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) /spray [1 mg per 1 ml] then 2mg per 1ml would give you 50mcg… I think! Basically if you added 20ml of perfumer’s alcohol to 10ml of EST [2 mg per 1 ml] ===\> 100 mcg/spray… Therefore 20ml of perfumer’s alcohol added to 5ml of EST [2 mg per 1 ml] ===\> 50 mcg/spray. Hopefully someone with more experience will be able to check this out… but i’m pretty much in the same situation as you but my EST is 5mg per 1ml. ---
**Author:** ![dePlume](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deplume/32/181_2.png) [@dePlume](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dePlume)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/12 "2012-05-12T13:25:47Z")
> [@classicalflower](#): > > From what I can make out: > > At 1 mg per 1 ml of carrier if you transferred it to an Androtics spray bottle it would have a 150mcg/spray concentration but yours is double the concentration. Therefore 2mg per 1ml of carrier would give you 300mcg/spray. > > If 1 part [EST](https://a314.com/) and 5 parts dilutent ===\> 25 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) /spray [1 mg per 1 ml] then 2mg per 1ml would give you 50mcg… I think! > > Basically if you added 20ml of perfumer’s alcohol to 10ml of EST [2 mg per 1 ml] ===\> 100 mcg/spray… > Therefore 20ml of perfumer’s alcohol added to 5ml of EST [2 mg per 1 ml] ===\> 50 mcg/spray. > > Hopefully someone with more experience will be able to check this out… but i’m pretty much in the same situation as you but my EST is 5mg per 1ml. I’m hoping someone can stop in and verify this. Sounds good to me, I’ll have to find something to put the extra perfumer’s stuff in. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![classicalflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@classicalflower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/classicalflower)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 1:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/13 "2012-05-12T13:32:06Z")
> [@dePlume](#): > > I’m hoping someone can stop in and verify this. Sounds good to me, I’ll have to find something to put the extra perfumer’s stuff in. Thanks! Do you have any empty togo bottles?! That’s what i’m going to put my extra perfumer’s alcohol in! Might try mixing up a batch of EoW and something else…will have to think about it for a bit though! ---
**Author:** ![dePlume](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deplume/32/181_2.png) [@dePlume](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dePlume)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/14 "2012-05-12T13:43:02Z")
I thought I had one but I can’t find it, the other one is already in use with an IS/IO mix in it. I might have some empties I can pry open. ETA: Pack rat mentality saved me, I did have some empties laying around 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![classicalflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@classicalflower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/classicalflower)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 5:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/15 "2012-05-15T05:17:07Z")
Just mixed my EST and Perfumer’s Alcohol… I used 2ml (5ml/mg) of EST and 28ml of perfumer’s alcohol (neroli!) which should give me 50mcg/spray if my calculations are correct! I added 1ml of EoW to the remaining 2mls of perfumer’s alcohol and put it in an empty togo! Going to leave it sit for a few days before testing it out. If it still smells awful, i’ll add a ml of my favourite perfume! ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 7:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/16 "2012-05-15T07:31:11Z")
I think Bella is great at solving math problems! 😉 You could also drop Tish a PM on your numbers. > [@dePlume](#): > > Okay I’ve run backwards and forwards and can’t process the math. Every time I think I have it and double check myself I get a different answer. > I’m getting EST at 2mg 10ml and a 30ml bottle of the perfumer’s dilution from AD with a pipette to measure, how do I _not_ screw this up too badly? ---
**Author:** ![dePlume](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deplume/32/181_2.png) [@dePlume](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dePlume)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 12:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/17 "2012-05-15T12:56:09Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > I think Bella is great at solving math problems! 😉 > > You could also drop Tish a PM on your numbers. I dropped her a PM a day or two before I posted and hadn’t heard anything, so I’ll going with Classicalflower’s math for me and my strength. All the goodies came in to do it with. ---
**Author:** ![dePlume](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deplume/32/181_2.png) [@dePlume](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dePlume)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/18 "2012-05-15T13:03:45Z")
If all the math is right I used 20ml of the perfumer’s spray and 5ml of the EST (2mg/10ml) and now have a bottle of 25mg with 50mcg spray strength if I use the original big bottle. This leaves me with 5ml of EST, 10ml of perfumer’s spray, some EOW (and Desire Me) and to go bottles (and one empty 30ml IS bottle holding the extra perfumer’s stuff) to play with. The cat isn’t sure what to make of it all. ---
**Author:** ![classicalflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@classicalflower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/classicalflower)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/19 "2012-05-15T14:01:48Z")
> [@dePlume](#): > > If all the math is right I used 20ml of the perfumer’s spray and 5ml of the EST (2mg/10ml) and now have a bottle of 25mg with 50mcg spray strength if I use the original big bottle. This leaves me with 5ml of EST, 10ml of perfumer’s spray, some EOW (and Desire Me) and to go bottles (and one empty 30ml IS bottle holding the extra perfumer’s stuff) to play with. > > The cat isn’t sure what to make of it all. I put 2ml of Perfumer’s Alcohol, 1 ml of EoW and 1 ml of Perfume in a Togo bottle…and it smells fine! Sprayed some on me a little while ago and it isn’t too strong…don’t think i’d need to cover it with more perfume! ---
**Author:** ![dePlume](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deplume/32/181_2.png) [@dePlume](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dePlume)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-est-dilution/38103/20 "2012-05-15T14:38:10Z")
Okay in the to-go bottle I did 1.5ml of Pink Sugar, about 2ml of perfumer’s alcohol, a dropper of EST, and 5 drops of EOW. Was a little heady so I topped it off with more Pink Sugar, now I’ll let it compost and see how it does. Mostly smells of alcohol with a hint of sweet. Maybe more EOW? ETA: added a little more Pink Sugar and topped it off with Desire Me. Smells fine now but have to remember to shake the bottle well before I use it.