# Help With My First Order **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 9, 2008, 7:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374 "2008-05-09T07:42:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TheCoolCat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thecoolcat/32/719_2.png) [@TheCoolCat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCoolCat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 7:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/1 "2008-05-09T07:42:53Z")
Hello, I finally got my credit card and I had a question, my parents, like some of yours, have their own ideas about mating and couples and using anything other than “what was given to us by our Good Lord” is a bad thing, it makes it difficult for me to get a package without them trying to open it, they haven’t done anything like that yet, but I fear they might, so my question was, given I choose regular shipping and the time you guys usually drop the orders off at the post office/ups or dhl offices, how long would it take for it to arrive to Connecticut? I ask because I want to make sure I’m home that day, or even better, if there was a way for me to pick up the order from the post office or kiosk or whatever myself. Any help would be appreciated. Now a little about me, as stated on my introduction thread, I’m very shy when it comes to approaching women the first time around, or when they show interest in me I have no clue how to follow a conversation or keep an interesting one going, is there a guide we can read (that I wouldn’t have to pay money for, since I’m sort of short of it), and learn how to talk to women, etc. I think I have a great sense of humor and I can be interesting at times. I’ve had girls approach me before and give me signs that they’re interested in me, but I fail to deliver with a nice conversation ☹ For example, where I work there are lots of girls that are attractive, arranging from 18 years old to 35ish MILFs. One of the girls I have a crush on, works on a different department, and barely see her, but when I do, I say hello with a smile and she replies the same way, and I’ve noticed when I’m around her department and I’m in her field of view, through the corner of my eye I see her looking at me for a second, as if she finds me attractive, but I don’t know how to approach the situation, it’s not as easy as saying “just go for it”, I don’t know how to do it. I do have chances that I’ve noticed people here call “hits”, I’ve been coming to this page for about a year now and looking back at different situations in different settings, I’ve gotten a lot of hits without using any pheromones, for example, today one of the MILFs I work with came to the break room (I’ve never met her except for the usual “hello” co-workers give when they walk past each other), there’s other girls that won’t even look at me besides replying “hello”, as if somehow they were intimidated by me or they plainly hate me, without even knowing me, sort of an OD state. There have been several approaches by girls and several chances I have never taken and hate myself for it, because I lack some “game”. I’ve been told it’d be a good idea to get Instant Shine, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), Ammo, A134, and Turn Up The Heat, my question is, what other products do you guys recommend?, and what mixes too. I don’t want to spend too much on these babies, and I’d like to try them out first, so I’d be buying the trial sizes or to-go versions (whichever it’s called) to see how it works, because hits I get, it’s just my game that’s lacking a bit, and hopefully with the help of these products, girls would be too interested in me to notice I’m too damn shy! But still I need advice on how to approach a woman I like and maintain an interesting and fluent conversation. Sorry for the long post, it was longer but I left out stuff that wasn’t really important. Thank you all for your help 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 4:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/2 "2008-05-09T16:32:33Z")
DHL delivers the next day. Here’s what will happen, you will get an email with the DHL tracking number and next day it will be there. You can track the package online via DHL website ---
**Author:** ![TheCoolCat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thecoolcat/32/719_2.png) [@TheCoolCat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCoolCat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/3 "2008-05-09T18:24:49Z")
Thank you SteveO! 🙂 How about my other inquiries? ---
**Author:** ![TheCoolCat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thecoolcat/32/719_2.png) [@TheCoolCat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCoolCat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 9:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/4 "2008-05-09T21:08:53Z")
Help please, I’m about to order and I’m still unsure as to what! :-p ---
**Author:** ![TheCoolCat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thecoolcat/32/719_2.png) [@TheCoolCat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCoolCat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/5 "2008-05-09T21:42:21Z")
I don’t think my reply was posted, weird… What I had said is that I was ready to order, and that I needed more advice on what to get, mixes, etc. Thank you for your help 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/6 "2008-05-09T22:47:40Z")
> [@TheCoolCat](#): > > **Now a little about me, as stated on my introduction thread, I’m very shy when it comes to approaching women the first time around, or when they show interest in me I have no clue how to follow a conversation or keep an interesting one going,** is there a guide we can read (that I wouldn’t have to pay money for, since I’m sort of short of it), and learn how to talk to women, etc. **I think I have a great sense of humor** **and I can be interesting at times.** I’ve had girls approach me before and give me signs that they’re interested in me, but **I fail to deliver with a nice conversation ☹** I was like that. I got my hesitation time down from ~months to about 8 seconds 😃. I have an amazing sense of humor, my choice of words is enough to get hearty laughs. What do you consider to be a nice conversation? IMHO, anything that moves you from acquaintance to friend is a nice conversation. > [@TheCoolCat](#): > > For example, where I work there are lots of girls that are attractive, arranging from 18 years old to 35ish MILFs. One of the girls I have a crush on, works on a different department, and barely see her, but when I do, I say hello with a smile and she replies the same way, and I’ve noticed when I’m around her department and I’m in her field of view, through the corner of my eye I see her looking at me for a second, as if she finds me attractive, **but I don’t know how to approach the situation, it’s not as easy as saying “just go for it”, I don’t know how to do it.** Actually, it is as easy as saying “just go for it” (it took me too long to figure that out). What does matter is what you choose to talk about. I mainly begin with questions that hint at nothing (“Do you know if …”), then move to statements that carry weight (“I can’t believe that. . . .”). One very very very very important thing you should work on is how confident you look. Me? I almost always have my head up (tilt it a little to the side), back straight, shoulders back; I’m open. > [@TheCoolCat](#): > > There have been several approaches by girls and several chances I have never taken and hate myself for it, **because I lack some “game”**. Why is it that people think that they always have to be playing the game? I just enjoy having people to talk to, because, as a human, I enjoy contact with others. Some things to keep in mind: 1. You are a human, there are 300 million people in america just like you. 2. Everyone else is self-conscious too, they’re just more adept at hiding it. 3. Seems like, you’re hanging on to the past to long. It’s gone, time to move on, life is passing you by. Close your eyes, say goodnight, it’s time to say goodbye, to, yooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. _#3 are the lyrics of a song 😃, but it has truth_ ---
**Author:** ![jayzee327](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc79bd/32.png) [@jayzee327](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayzee327)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 10:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/7 "2008-05-09T22:53:14Z")
Just dont go crazy with the credit card and u will be fine. lol ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 11:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/8 "2008-05-09T23:04:58Z")
I’d get IO, ISHINE, and Ammo ---
**Author:** ![TheCoolCat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thecoolcat/32/719_2.png) [@TheCoolCat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCoolCat)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 1:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/9 "2008-05-10T01:44:41Z")
Thanks for the replies 🙂 I do have a good sense of humor, family, friends and relationships have told me so many times, with people, I’m really confident and open, talkative, etc. with girls I have no interest on, I have them laughing from the start and have long conversations about everything because I have no desire in impressing them, and at the end of the night they’re basically trying to get me 1 on 1 with them in a room or in a car and I tell them no, because I never had any sort of attraction to them, but when I see a girl I find attractive or like, then the exact opposite happens, I can’t seem to form an interesting conversation, I keep thinking “This girl is TOO hot for me, she’d never be interested in a guy like me”, so I shut down and do really, really bad. Maybe I should pretend a girl I find attractive is just someone I don’t see myself ever liking so I take out that psychic barrier down and actually make her find me interesting? I guess all I need now is just to go out there, be confident, do my best (and I know my “best” will get better and better because practice makes perfect), and take every miss as experience and learn from my mistakes and every hit also as experience to learn what it is I did good. On a side note, tonight I saw the girl I spoke of on my first post, the one that I saw through the corner of my eye a couple of times staring at me from where she was and would look away every time I looked at her, and was standing next to this guy that also works there, in her department, who I talk to. Anyway, as I was walking out, them two and another person where standing near the exit door chatting and laughing and as I got closer, he doing small talk with me, something along the lines of “what are you doing tonight”, as he was standing next to her, and as I was talking, she never once looked at me, actually, she looked down and to the side, all this as soon as I approached them, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN??? I know an obvious human reaction when you’re talking to someone and that person talks to someone else, you look to see who that person is talking to, right? But she didn’t she just plainly looked over to the side and avoided looking at me, I have no clue why ☹ I’m gonna go order some products now, can’t wait to test them in different situations and mixes. Wish me luck 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 3:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/10 "2008-05-10T03:46:05Z")
> [@TheCoolCat](#): > > " **This girl is TOO hot for me, she’d never be interested in a guy like me",** Impossible! I have some hot ladies vying for my attention now. As for the ignoring you thing, she prolly doesn’t feel comfortable with the way you make her feel (let other post on it before you take my input too seriously). ---
**Author:** ![TheCoolCat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thecoolcat/32/719_2.png) [@TheCoolCat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCoolCat)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 7:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/11 "2008-05-10T07:35:27Z")
I don’t know how I make her feel though, because we’ve never really talked, the only thing we say to each other is hello when we walk past each other, and she does look at me when I’m not looking at her, and when I do, she looks away, it’s like she’s intimidated by me or something, I wish a girl on this forum would tell me what could be happening in her head to make her avoid looking straight at me. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 1:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/12 "2008-05-10T13:34:02Z")
> [@TheCoolCat](#): > > I wish a girl on this forum would tell me what could be happening in her head to make her avoid looking straight at me. What? You don’t trust us guys? I’ve been in the same place you were. Just go up to her (when you have time, or else you fail) and talk. At first, she’ll probably show no emotion, if this is the case, don’t worry. **What I find works really well is to treat strangers as if they’re not strangers, but a friend (this includes everything from topics to talk about -\> posture -\> facial features -\> vocal tonality -\> big smile 😃 -\> positive mood/mood booster -\> etc. treat them like a friend.** Image being approached by a stranger who was very friendly. There’s a higher chance that you’ll want to get to know him/her. Now imaging being approached by a stranger who was lacking confidence and looks/acts like a desperasexual. You’ll want to remove yourself from this person and not enjoy talking to them. ---
**Author:** ![TheCoolCat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thecoolcat/32/719_2.png) [@TheCoolCat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCoolCat)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 9:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/13 "2008-05-10T21:39:42Z")
Thanks, that’s what I think I’m going to do. Also, the reason I asked for a girl’s opinion wasn’t because I don’t trust guys, it’s because I’d like to see stuff from THEIR point of view, and if they had done the same in the past, if they tried to avoid looking at someone they really didn’t know either because they were attracted to them, or because they found them repulsive as hell to even look at. Sort of “ask a girl how a girl works”. ---
**Author:** ![TheCoolCat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thecoolcat/32/719_2.png) [@TheCoolCat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCoolCat)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 7:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/14 "2008-05-11T19:18:39Z")
I placed an order on Friday and still says processing? ☹ I know for a fact I have more than enough funds to cover what I payed for, I keep checking both the store page and my bank account and the money hasn’t been taken off yet ☹ I thought I’d have them by Monday or Tuesday, I’m gonna have to wait longer now boo. Maybe it’s just my bank holding the charge for a bit longer than usual for security measure or something, I was thinking about only spending at most 100 bucks to start with but I ended up spending twice that amount :-p ---
**Author:** ![The\_Cheshire\_Cat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_cheshire_cat/32/641_2.png) [@The\_Cheshire\_Cat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/The_Cheshire_Cat)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 2:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/15 "2008-05-12T02:00:55Z")
I’m not to good with helping people with issues like this but I’ll give it my all. I was like that up to 5 years ago. May not be the best way to do things but it got me out of my rut, if the girl you like has a social group she hangs with after work start to hang with them a bit more but keep an eye an ear on the one your interested in. Find out her likes and dislikes, let her see how you interact with other people and watch how she does so also. Eventually you will feel more comfortable being around her, and she won’t be quite as intimidating to you and vise-versa. As far as what might be going through her mind, she may see your shyness as a lack of interest and may be figuring herself that you have no desire towards her, the biggest problem I had was not that women weren’t interested in me but that they didn’t think I was interested in them so I never approached and was never approached. As far as your shyness, I can’t really say much than get over it, nothing can be worse than having you keep yourself from what you want, or finding out what others think about you, not even finding out they don’t like you is worse. And about your order, it took mine a day to process. So just be patient. Hope it helps. ---
**Author:** ![TheCoolCat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thecoolcat/32/719_2.png) [@TheCoolCat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCoolCat)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/16 "2008-05-12T04:21:59Z")
A day to process, but it’s already Monday (12:20 ET) and I placed my order Friday, it shows in my bank account the money has been taken off but on the adrotics page it says it’s still processing ☹ The reason I placed the order on Friday and supposedly next day delivery is because I might be going to a party on Wednesday, and wanted to test the products there. I’d be dissapointed if it took about 5 days for a next day delivery service ☹ I’m keeping my fingers crossed, I know the people at androtics will come through!!! ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 11:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/17 "2008-05-12T11:47:28Z")
> [@TheCoolCat](#): > > A day to process, but it’s already Monday (12:20 ET) and I placed my order Friday, it shows in my bank account the money has been taken off but on the adrotics page it says it’s still processing ☹ > > The reason I placed the order on Friday and supposedly next day delivery is because I might be going to a party on Wednesday, and wanted to test the products there. I’d be dissapointed if it took about 5 days for a next day delivery service ☹ > > I’m keeping my fingers crossed, I know the people at Androtics will come through!!! Who wants to work weekends?!? They don’t ship until your payment clears. And I think bank transfers take 3 days to clear. Cheers! > [@TheCoolCat](#): > > Thanks, that’s what I think I’m going to do. > > Also, the reason I asked for a girl’s opinion wasn’t because I don’t trust guys, it’s because I’d like to see stuff from THEIR point of view, and if they had done the same in the past, if they tried to avoid looking at someone they really didn’t know either because they were attracted to them, or because they found them repulsive as hell to even look at. Sort of “ask a girl how a girl works”. If you spend more time looking around the forum (mainly older posts, too many dumb threads nowadays), you’ll find tons of information like that. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2008, 11:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-first-order/12374/18 "2008-05-12T11:51:04Z")
> [@TheCoolCat](#): > > Thanks, that’s what I think I’m going to do. > > Also, the reason I asked for a girl’s opinion wasn’t because I don’t trust guys, it’s because I’d like to see stuff from THEIR point of view, and if they had done the same in the past, if they tried to avoid looking at someone they really didn’t know either because they were attracted to them, or because they found them repulsive as hell to even look at. Sort of “ask a girl how a girl works”. If you spend more time looking around the forum (mainly older posts, too many dumb threads nowadays), you’ll find tons of information like that.