# Help with my second order **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 8, 2008, 7:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-second-order/17148 "2008-08-08T19:35:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![robert1940](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@robert1940](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/robert1940)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 7:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-second-order/17148/1 "2008-08-08T19:35:46Z")
Hi all I enjoyed my first order from andriotics, wich consisted of: A314, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) x2, Instant Honesty x4 Turn Up The Heat, ammo, Instant Shine x2 I think its time for me to take it to the next level,with experimones and putatives I have 500$ to spend and would appreciate your advice . I am after making women lusting after me,after 1-3 encounters max …🙂 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 9:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-second-order/17148/2 "2008-08-08T21:28:31Z")
Robert1940, the first thing to ask yourself before spending money on experimones or putatives is “Am I getting the results I want from the consumer products?” If the answer is YES then proceed to the experimones and have fun. I would suggest getting the “holy trinity”, androsterone, androstenone, and alpha-androstenol and experimenting with them. If you get them in 40mcg per spray it makes them easy to mix in a togo (see my newbie tricks thread) and if you get them in 30mcg concentrations it makes them easy to mix in a 30ml bottle as per Mark-In-Dallas’ method. If the answer is “NO, but I know exactly which experimones I want to add to my consumer product to get those results.” then get it. If the answer is “NO, but everybody else uses all the other stuff and gets better results than I’m getting.” Stop and go back to working with the consumer products until you are getting good results. When I first started, for my second order I bought P74, P79, and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) because of all the good reports on them…I got nada, zilch, and a whole bunch of zippo from them. The single molecule products are much less easy to learn to use than the consumer products. They cause a lot of unexpected results, they come in a huge variety of strengths and many need to be use in much larger amounts than others. A much better option if you are just looking to branch out is to get an MX or 2 (maybe even the new AMMO test pack). ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 9:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-second-order/17148/3 "2008-08-08T21:35:12Z")
sounds like you have a good base, my only suggestions would be- [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) P74 Amplifier P83 sexual charge TAA oil or spray. other help and hints would be drawn from- [Google Docs - Mix Guide](http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pQNd0an1GwdasioEPdlh_IA) (see the putative or MX tab) ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 4:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-second-order/17148/4 "2008-08-09T04:17:40Z")
Robert- Renny gave you some really _great_ advice. Read and consider carefully. If you have your current products down, I would recommend: [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) Maybe the Ammo test pack Maybe MX203 (Caucasion Persuasion) I do the putatives at the 30 mcg level to make 30 ml batches. ---
**Author:** ![robert1940](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@robert1940](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/robert1940)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 5:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-second-order/17148/5 "2008-08-09T05:54:34Z")
So its : -P74, P79, and [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) - androsterone, androstenone, and alpha-androstenol 40 mcg per spray - TAA - instant gentleman - mx203 -ammo test pack what about icm ? is it for sale ?I dont see it anywhere ? I am going to add come talk to me . Raw power ?? I already have Primal Instinct .And besides what is one situation I could use Raw power alone ?? Thanks for your help guys ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 4:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-my-second-order/17148/6 "2008-08-09T16:07:45Z")
> [@](#): > > what about icm ? is it for sale ?I dont see it anywhere ? `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/future-pheromone-universe-i-seek-your-9175.html` second post.