# Help with putatives? **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 12, 2011, 2:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-putatives/48800 "2011-02-12T02:55:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hellkat414](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b3f665/32.png) [@Hellkat414](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hellkat414)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 2:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-putatives/48800/1 "2011-02-12T02:55:07Z")
Since Androtics direct is out of stock on almost everything I want ( ☹ ), I’ve decided to try some putatives. Now, of course, this is hard for me, since I’ve never tried them, there are so many, and I have NO CLUE what they are results they are supposed to get. I have read the customer reviews on some of them, and that does seem to help, except for two things. One, most of them have no reviews at all! And two, most of the reviews come from men, and, being female, I wonder if they will have the same effects for me. I certainly don’t want to wear anything that will attract women, lol, or give me a butchy effect. I am confused for a gay chick all the time as it is, so I’d REALLY like to stay away from that! 😃 A lot of the pheros seem to be aimed towards men on this site, can someone maybe point me towards some more feminine ones (not IS A or B, they don’t do it for me), preferably ones that are in stock, lol. Or maybe help me out in figuring out what some of the putatives can do? I’d really appreciate it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 9:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-putatives/48800/2 "2011-02-12T09:04:00Z")
Kat, I know it’s slim pickin’s for women’s products. Putatives are suspected/possible pheromones but not even the most advanced users are sure what they do, or if they do anything at all. No one has a clue until they’ve tested them. Reading reports is informative but often it isn’t easy to remain objective and people are easily influenced and swayed by what they’ve read. If someone makes a fantastic report and says they got blown on a barstool in a club by sixteen Maxim cover girls while wearing MX69, there’s a mad dash to the store to buy it because they’re expecting the same result. And God forbid it’s out of stock…then there’s screaming/chest beating/hair pulling/threats of suicide in the isles, lol. Even though I’ve tested several putatives, my telling you what they do for me isn’t going to really help you discern what they might do for you. So, if you do acquire some, you’ll still have to give them the same old sweet spot testing as you do with the Instant line. I don’t know what pheromones you already have but have you tried Instant Shine, IO, or IH? If not, before you jump into the putatives, you should give them a try. They work for both males and females and should all be in stock. Often the [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) can give you more of the attraction you’re looking for than the reported sexual ones. If you were a bit more experienced I’d feel more comfortable recommending putatives for you. BUT since the pheromone cupboard is almost bare of women’s products and there’s less and less for us to choose from and even the old standards are harder and harder to come by, I feel your pain. Sooo, because times are desperate, I’d say P74 would be a good one for you to experiment with given your line of work. There are a lot of positive reports on this one. You might give it a try and see what it does for you. 🙂 I’ll leave it to the masses to make any other suggestions. 😃 I’m sure they’ll be along. Bella ---
**Author:** ![Hellkat414](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b3f665/32.png) [@Hellkat414](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hellkat414)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 11:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-putatives/48800/3 "2011-02-12T11:39:56Z")
Lol, thanks a lot, that was very helpful. So, it’s like a mystery grab bag, then. \*sigh. Yes, I’ve tried Instant Shine and Instant Honesty (love them both), as well as [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), and IS A and B. And EOW, though obviously not from here 🙂 The Instant Sexiness pheros didn’t seem to have barely any effects with me wearing them at all. And trust me, I’ve tried wearing them everywhere, in different situations, from a few sprays to many! They just don’t seem to do it for me. So really, I’m down to just the Instant Shine, and the Instant Honesty/Openness. I was just hoping to have more of a variety. I mean, it’s really hard to mix and match, and get any experience at all, with so few options! I suppose I could look elsewhere, but I love this store, and trust in the products here. I did have P74 and possibly P79 in mind to try. But basically you’re saying I can just randomly pick one, and just give it a go? If I were rich, lol, I’d try them all! But then, if I want to continue my experiments, I’m just gonna have to suck it up, and get on with it. Again, thanks for the help 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 11:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-putatives/48800/4 "2011-02-12T11:49:13Z")
Man Bella is right it is slim pickin’s in there and it SUCKS. I hope they straighten things out soon. Generally I dont use putatives by themselves unless I am testing them. I layer with other products to bring about a certain vibe. My advice is to of course test them alone to see what effect you get and report then use them with the products they do have like Ishine IO or IH. I can tell you which ones I like but I cant guarantee you will have the same results I do or that you will like them. Bella is right you mention certain products and people make a stampede for the store LOL I like P83, P74, [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/)… these are my favorites from what they have in stock. Layering these with the above mentioned consumer products spices up the mix for me. Of course I tend to use copulins as well. The general vibe I like to give off is a warm uplifting fun connected vibe. So I will use Ishine P74 P93. If I want something deeper I may use a little IH to. Something sexier and I will hold out on the P93 and add the P83 and some cops. I mix and match according to my needs and mood that day. Hope that helps Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Hellkat414](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b3f665/32.png) [@Hellkat414](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hellkat414)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-putatives/48800/5 "2011-02-12T19:24:25Z")
Yes, that helps a lot too, thanks. So, the store isn’t ALWAYS this bare for women? And I can reasonably hope that it won’t always be? One other thing, lol. How long do the effects of EOW last, generally, and will I EVER find something that will mask the smell? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 8:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-putatives/48800/6 "2011-02-12T20:45:07Z")
Well I know from posts John, Steve and Jasmin have made that its been a tough year for them. With attacks on the sight, the economy, rolling blackouts on certain molecules they frequently used in mixes it has posed challenges for them. I cant say for sure it will get better but there is hope. I mean hell the economy cant go on like this forever or [pheromones](https://a314.com/) will be the least of everyone’s worries. LOL AD is a stickler for quality to so they wont cut corners just to sell a product which is why there stuff is so coveted. EOW is a concentrated oil based product and can last 24 hours on some people depending on how you apply it. Applied straight to the skin it will last long. Diluted in a cover scent it wears down quicker. I have no trouble covering it with just about anything. I have even worn it withiout cover as just a test. I think ther wearer tends to detect the actual smell more then the targets. Best cover I have used for it though is Pink sugar perfume. It blends and covers better with foody scents IMO. However I use flowery scents in the spring and they do the job as well. You are waiting the 10 to 15 minutes after applying to cover right ? Tisha ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-putatives/48800/7 "2011-02-14T18:35:20Z")
Ugh… I feel ya. I wish some of the female products came back in stock… how long can a girl wait? I’m getting old 😛 lol As for putatives Bella and Tisha have given great advice. I am a big fan of p83 as well, need to get me a bottle of that soon… it’s great paired up with a sexy product makes them more touchy feely. [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) is a great social product as well, it makes you more approachable (from my experience) I can see this easily paired up with any of the social products such as instant shine, honesty or openness. Since the instant line seems really open for us, you can pair them up with eow for a zing of sexiness. I’ve tried copulins with instant shine, honesty and openness and it can bring up some interesting results 😉 Good luck and happy testing!