# Help with Seduction Mix **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 7, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-seduction-mix/52713 "2011-10-07T15:42:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-seduction-mix/52713/1 "2011-10-07T15:42:22Z")
I read a sticky thread Jasmin posted about mones for attraction, comfort, seduction, etc. I think I have sufficiently mastered the art of attraction and comfort but am having some issues with the seduction. I will be honest I have never seduced anyone, usually I am the one seduced lol. Her sticky was from like 2006 and said a good mix for Seduction was TUTH, P79, and TAL which as far as I can tell is no longer available. I am hoping to make a mix exactly how she describes, to set the sexual spark, to make them want to do something about it, and make them more aggressive and direct about it because I have always sucked at reading signs from women. Also I need to step up my game so any advice in that field is always appreciated. So is her mix possible with mones available now? I would love to experiment with it for this one particular girl. She seems to be attracted to me but resistant about it because I am not her type. I think I have confused her a bit with my change in attitude and mones. So now I need to get her on my side, it seems she is getting pulled in two directions because her friends are trying to convince her I am bad news, when I am clearly not, they called me manipulative and said I am holding her back, which I find hard to believe considering all I have done is be really nice and attractive to her, so I guess that is where the confusion has kicked in and her friends are trying to help her remedy it. It is a messed up situation so I want to take it by the horns and kick it’s ass, I think seduction is the best way to go about it. She is stuck in the middle of conflicted feelings, I just need an added edge to get her on my side as I have not been very successful helping her through the conflicted feelings. Most people say it isn’t worth it I consider it a bit of a challenge and can’t help how I feel about her and the situation. Seriously it is like a freaking TV Drama with how crazy things have been getting lately lol. So any help and advice and mones suggestions will be appreciated, thanks in advance! ---
**Author:** ![magus808](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@magus808](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/magus808)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 7:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-seduction-mix/52713/2 "2011-10-07T19:47:31Z")
My most consistent mix with attraction is Ammo, Instant Shine, [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/). I also always carry a to go bottle of TUTH with me in case the situation escalates. Wearing TUTH right off the bat may work for some people, but TUTH just screams out “I want sex now” It all depends what you want out of this. Is she just a ONS? Are you looking for a LTR? If you want to “take it by the horns and kick it’s ass” Ask her out and tell her how you feel. Tell her you like her a lot and you enjoy spending time with her. Or something to that extent. She may be confuesed because she doesn’t know how you feel about her. ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 8:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-seduction-mix/52713/3 "2011-10-07T20:09:02Z")
Well I should have been more clear, I already went out with her on two dates when we first met and she said we should be friends. Over time it is clear she has developed feelings and I have let her know I would still date her in a heartbeat so she knows how I feel. Then she made up some kind of bullshit excuse that I ruined our friendship by feeling that way and that she wanted to end it. I told her if that is how she feels then so be it. She said maybe for now a break would be good, she would talk to me in a few months and we would take it from there. Only a week after she told me this she contacts me saying how she was someplace and thought of me and wanted to say hi and see how I was doing. The place was the first place we met and had our first date so the fact that that makes her think of me leads me to believe she is still conflicted. I decided to keep ignoring her and not contacting her, 3 days later she contacts me again randomly and we end up yet again talking for hours. So basically she was mad at me, said she needed to get away from me for a few months, only a week goes by and already she cant’ stand not talking to me. If the girl really didn’t like me and wanted me out of her life she could have easily not contacted me at all but she did. As of now it just seems like she is making up excuses, she even said that she is a different person when around me and feels like she has to be this perfect person and gets sucked into my world, which is apparently different than her world and she doesn’t understand it. She said this to me, and it clearly sounds like how a girl who has feelings for a guy would act but something is holding her back. That is where her friends come in, they are telling her I am bad news and trying to convince her of this. My guess is she talked to them and complained about me because she couldn’t sort out her feelings herself and wanted a third party perspective and that perspective happened to be her friends saying I am bad news and she should stop talking to me completely. She seemed like for a while she was going to do this when she made her several month break comment, but then a week later it was already back to her talking to me. See it is rather confusing, so I am just trying to remain indifferent. I really want to hook up with her at least once, and if it leads to us being together I would not object, but I feel like I want at least the one opportunity so that is my goal at the moment. When around her I always wear IJ and [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and IH and that seemed to get her to the point she is at now so I was just looking for something to make me even more appealing, also how I should approach the situation being that she flipped out on me for no reason last time. ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-seduction-mix/52713/4 "2011-10-07T20:53:39Z")
> [@ITNerd799](#): > > “she even said that she is a different person when around me and **feels like she has to be this perfect person** and gets **sucked into my world** , which is apparently different than her world and **she doesn’t understand it**.” That’s an easy one to explain; she’s getting these alpha vibes from you now, and since she originally friend zoned you, now she’s conflicted. Also, as I said before, it sounds like she wasn’t sure what she wanted in the first place. Her friends likely aren’t helping things, however, don’t let them concern you. They’ve only heard one side of the situation and they’re making judgements based on the side of her that doesn’t know what she wants. > [@](#): > > See it is rather confusing, so I am just trying to remain indifferent. I really want to hook up with her at least once, and if it leads to us being together I would not object, but I feel like I want at least the one opportunity so that is my goal at the moment. When around her I always wear IJ and P83 and IH and that seemed to get her to the point she is at now so I was just looking for something to make me even more appealing, also how I should approach the situation being that she flipped out on me for no reason last time. Now you’re talking. Don’t let her effect your world - after all, you’re considering inviting her into YOUR world. Look at it from this perspective: You’re the one who has your shit together emotionally in this situation - and YOU are giving her the opportunity to be with you. If she wants to continue acting like a 14 year old middle school girl, treat her like one - give her the cold shoulder and ignore her, or look at her with a ‘what the heck is your issue’- rather snobbish- sort of look. Maybe even poke fun at her in a lighthearted way about her indecisiveness. But above all, remain cool, and unaffected by what she does when she’s being negative. As for the mones? It sounds like they’re going their job quite well, actually. If you want to throw her for a loop,though, try adding a spray of [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) into your standard mix. She may shit test you but remain cool. For example? When a chick starts hitting you with questions that seem interrogating and/or condescending like “WHY did you do that?” “How much do you make?” “Why are you interested in me?” etc etc. I usually respond with something off the wall. Chick: “Why are you looking at that?” Me: “Cause’ Stone Cold Said So.” _smirk_ Chick:“Why are you talking to me?” Me:“Because I saw you stalking me with your eyes earlier! Are you a stalker?” (Reverse shit testing) Here’s one… next time you two hang out and she makes a remark about you being too good for her, maybe you could try something like this… Her: “You’re too good for me.” You: _totally serious face_ “Oh, so you’re saying that you’re using me for ARM CANDY.” _grin_ ---
**Author:** ![DotCom](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dotcom/32/2152_2.png) [@DotCom](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DotCom)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-seduction-mix/52713/5 "2011-10-07T20:54:08Z")
Most people had excellent results with A1. You can buy it at LoveScent. Try something like this: 1 spray TuTH for every 25 mcgs of A1. This is just an example; you gotta find your own sweet spot. This mix almost certainly won’t fail you. However, usually women like being dominated by men (of course, there’s a limit). You gotta be more assertive and more confident. P.S. - This mix won’t count towards you status when you report it because it involves a product from another company. ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 9:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-seduction-mix/52713/6 "2011-10-07T21:57:09Z")
I do have A1 on hand but opted not to really use it because I was serious about reporting for AD. I have used it once before with [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) with the girl in question around and it seemed to keep her light hearted and flirty. I haven’t thought to try it with anything else because AD doesn’t produce it anymore and since I trust AD very much I was worried they might have had good reason not to produce it anymore, probably because of those depressing side effects I heard about. The girl is 22-23 years old so I wasn’t sure what was effective for someone around her age on someone who is my age 25. I will take it into consideration but I am still not 100% sold on it. I might try out MX412 and see how that goes since I trust AD above all else! And thanks again ochrismongrelo, it is nice to have someone in your corner routing for you, it hasn’t gone unnoticed and I think has helped me tremendously with keeping it real lol. It is true I am emotionally together, a great guy with a great job and his own apartment and she is fresh out of school and doesn’t know what to do with her life. I think it is an awkward period for anyone to attempt romance but I have to try I have gotten this far. It would be a shame if I gave up now! ITNerd ---
**Author:** ![Jabez](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jabez/32/2193_2.png) [@Jabez](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jabez)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2011, 2:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-seduction-mix/52713/7 "2011-10-08T14:48:55Z")
I like the one where a girl says why are you talking to me. I always use the stalker line haha so good! If she gets moody or clingy just walk away. And [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) is the Clingy Molecule. Is what I call it. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-seduction-mix/52713/8 "2011-10-08T16:28:19Z")
Good advice from Chris there - By all means go for a hookup/fun but be aware of her indecision and don’t get lulled into taking it any more seriously unless she really demonstrates a change of heart. ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-seduction-mix/52713/9 "2011-10-08T17:02:32Z")
> [@ITNerd799](#): > > I do have A1 on hand but opted not to really use it because I was serious about reporting for AD. I have used it once before with P83 with the girl in question around and it seemed to keep her light hearted and flirty. I haven’t thought to try it with anything else because AD doesn’t produce it anymore and since I trust AD very much I was worried they might have had good reason not to produce it anymore, probably because of those depressing side effects I heard about. The girl is 22-23 years old so I wasn’t sure what was effective for someone around her age on someone who is my age 25. I will take it into consideration but I am still not 100% sold on it. I might try out MX412 and see how that goes since I trust AD above all else! > > And thanks again ochrismongrelo, it is nice to have someone in your corner routing for you, it hasn’t gone unnoticed and I think has helped me tremendously with keeping it real lol. It is true I am emotionally together, a great guy with a great job and his own apartment and she is fresh out of school and doesn’t know what to do with her life. I think it is an awkward period for anyone to attempt romance but I have to try I have gotten this far. It would be a shame if I gave up now! > > ITNerd No problem bro. As for A1, the cases of it causing depression were VERY rare and caused by some rather unscrupulous individuals. Another reason (from what I’ve heard anyhow,) that A1 isnt here anymore is something to do with a patent/trademark (or somethingrather) that to me it sounds like another company hijacked, until 2012. That being said, A1 is still an allegedly powerful molecule. It might be interesting to see the effects of it mixed with IJ+IS+p83. Seems like it would cause a crapload of sexual tension. ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 2:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-seduction-mix/52713/10 "2011-10-10T14:24:17Z")
Interesting enough. I will have to bench the idea for now as I am just fed up with Jillian. She pissed me off for the last time. I gave her too many chances, curse of being a nice guy. I won’t make that mistake again. Got myself a date with a new girl this Friday. I actually see myself dating this girl though so I am going to go with more social and less sexual for our first date. I definately think I am considering [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) with MX412 to see if it is a good alternative to A1 as AD claims. But I am torn I might try it with actual A1 instead, and then on a second date, if I am as awesome as I normally am that shouldn’t be an issue, I will switch out the A1 with the MX412 and compare the two. I know I won’t get credit with the original A1 mix but surely comparing A1 to MX412 and its effects on the same girl would be a good report to do. Finally I will probably add in my favorite social mone IH in hopes for deep meaningful conversations, or at least what she perceives as such. The goal is to leave a lasting impression that will keep me on her mind constantly, sort of like how this stupid idiot felt about Jillian this whole time. Keep an eye on my journal after Friday night for my full report. Thanks again with the advice on the Seduction Mix it was most helpful! ITNerd ---
**Author:** ![thebigQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ee7513/32.png) [@thebigQ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thebigQ)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 9:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-seduction-mix/52713/11 "2011-10-11T21:59:09Z")
> [@ITNerd799](#): > > I definately think I am considering P83 with MX412 to see if it is a good alternative to A1 as AD claims. But I am torn I might try it with actual A1 instead, and then on a second date, if I am as awesome as I normally am that shouldn’t be an issue, I will switch out the A1 with the MX412 and compare the two. I know I won’t get credit with the original A1 mix but surely comparing A1 to MX412 and its effects on the same girl would be a good report to do. > ITNerd ITNerd since this is an important date for you, I would read on the MX412 thread below before trying it on your date. I also believe you should get credit for reporting on the two as AD is trying to come up with something close to A1 without the negative effects. > [@The OFFICIAL MX412/MX413 (vs A1/Androstadienone) Reporting Thread](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816): > > What is MX412/MX413? It is a double bottle package.\*\* This pair of MXs are experiments to replace A1/Androstadienone. This formula is designed so that it does not cause the reported A1-depression, while still being comforting. Official Store Announcement thread here. Another one here. MX412 - Lightly fragranced with akuto. MX413 - Lightly fragranced with neroli. Note: This product does not contain Androstadienone. Status: Currently In Production Get MX412/MX413 here: [MX412-MX413 vs A1 (…](https://pheromonelabs.com/) Please update the thread on your findings. * * * **Consumer Line:** AMMO, A314, Instant Shine, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, Turn Up the heat, [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), Instant Jerk, Come Talk To Me Mix 2 **MX Series:** MX297, MX301, MX330, Project UF, Project UF2, MX412 **Putatives:** P74, P75, P78, P83, P86, P91, P93, P96 ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-seduction-mix/52713/12 "2011-10-11T22:09:30Z")
Hey thanks for the info and thread I read through it and found it enlightening. We shall see what I use and how it goes this Friday! ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 11:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-seduction-mix/52713/13 "2011-10-12T11:03:42Z")
Interesting thread. I’d love to read how it goes for you - good luck! ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 2:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-with-seduction-mix/52713/14 "2011-10-17T14:33:56Z")
Well I wrote my report about what occurred Friday night, I do not want to hijack this thread and write another report, just know it went rather well. Thanks again for all the help and advice!