# Hey ladies: trans woman, 19, what gives me something extra to clarify my gender? **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 7, 2007, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450 "2007-09-07T17:37:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Human\_Unicorn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/human_unicorn/32/876_2.png) [@Human\_Unicorn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Human_Unicorn)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/1 "2007-09-07T17:37:44Z")
I’m reintroducing myself and trying to get feedback on what U should do. I’m a 19 year old transsexual and I currently attend college. I want something "extra’ that helps clarify my gender. I go to work and school in fulltime girl mode (wig, clothes, perfume, makeup) but I do get glances from time to time and people do ask every now and then “is that a guy or girl?”, there are tons of people that have seen me as male but there are also many people who know me as female. Pheromone wise I want something that will make me distinct, even more than I am now (I don’t really warrant the attention I get now). As a trans woman I don’t produce natural female [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) so I want that extra something that signals people off “oh, she’s female”. I understand the fascination with trannys and I get the whole weirdness and mockery people feel when they see me but I don’t always like being the “tranny” I just want to be “that girl”. Hopefully there’s something out there that will help. Also I’d like something that will help attract guys. I’m 19 and have never had a boyfriend even as a guy. I want something that will make me attractive to the guys. I’m tired of the back and forth stare game. I’m really timid and soft and shy. I like to play coy but just wish guys would man up and approach me. I tend to like the alpha straight male type while I’m more beta. Oh my name is Tattiana by the way. Oh and thanks again! I just want to be a part of “your” world Tattiana ---
**Author:** ![May](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/may/32/1909_2.png) [@May](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/May)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/2 "2007-09-07T18:28:06Z")
Hi Tattiana and welcome. Of course you are part of the womens’ world. 🙂 Now, big question here. What kind of feminine vibe do you want to emphasise. For example, do you want to be a sweet and girly type of sexy or a strong in charge kind of sexy? Or maybe a career girl, or social “one of the girls” girl. At heart, what kind of woman, are you and/or what kind of woman do you want people to see you as? All of the above are possible to amplify with pheromones. Most has to come from you but pheros can help a lot. (At least that is what I have found). TAL and [Instant Sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) A help me a lot with confidence, but it varies a bit according to personality. I think judicious use of copulins might help your confidence, especially in social settings. I know some of the other ladies, especially those with more knowledge than me, will have some thoughts, but I’ll have a little think on this myself in the meantime. Welcome again! 🙂 May ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 7:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/3 "2007-09-07T19:10:17Z")
hey tattiana! welcome to pherotalk. you know - i’ve been wondering about this too. I’ve got a really good trans friend. She was in the Miss Continental this past weekend. But anyways - i’ve been curious about pheros and trangender myself. I tend to agree with May. I would opt for TAL and and [Instant Sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) A. I don’t think TAH will work so well, because at least for me, it makes me disappear, and when you are trans you are absolutely required to be FIERCE. Plus I’ve noticed that guys that respond to TAL tend to be very Alpha and quite forward/aggressive. The one thing tho, is that gay men don’t seem to respond to it at all. I cease to exist for them. I’m a straight woman, and strangely enough, I get more hits from gay men phermone free then when wearing TAL. I guess it’s too female, and perhaps normally i put out something more androgynous. i can’t explain it. or my natural pheros are gay. I don’t know. But trannies respond to TAL - like many other women. Friendly and accepting. So I guess we have to clarify the target audience. are you looking for a straight guy that’s not in the lifestyle and eventually break it to him? Or a guy that is trans-friendly? And it makes me wonder - if the guy is trans-friendly, is he straight or is he gay (not trying to get political - just wondering from a pheromonal standpoint)? I’m presuming you are pre-op? (sorry if i’m being too forward. 😛) ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 7:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/4 "2007-09-07T19:13:31Z")
I tend to rarely post “advice” here in the ladies’ world, but in this case, I agree with May. I would suggest that you pay attention to the cops, they are literally the “Essence of Woman”, and I don’t just mean the product. They are the phero that makes a woman uniquely a woman.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Unicorn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/human_unicorn/32/876_2.png) [@Human\_Unicorn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Human_Unicorn)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 7:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/5 "2007-09-07T19:45:26Z")
> [@May](#): > > Hi Tattiana and welcome. > > Of course you are part of the womens’ world. 🙂 > > Now, big question here. What kind of feminine vibe do you want to emphasise. For example, do you want to be a sweet and girly type of sexy or a strong in charge kind of sexy? Or maybe a career girl, or social “one of the girls” girl. > > At heart, what kind of woman, are you and/or what kind of woman do you want people to see you as? > > All of the above are possible to amplify with pheromones. Most has to come from you but pheros can help a lot. (At least that is what I have found). > > TAL and Instant Sexiness A help me a lot with confidence, but it varies a bit according to personality. I think judicious use of copulins might help your confidence, especially in social settings. > > I know some of the other ladies, especially those with more knowledge than me, will have some thoughts, but I’ll have a little think on this myself in the meantime. > > Welcome again! 🙂 > > May Thanks so much May! I want two vibes, sweet and coy around the boys and “on of the girls”. I’m really soft and timid. From time to time I’m a strong female but I’m usually rerally inverted and soft. I want people to see me as a sweet gentle, inviting girl. Thanks again@ ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Unicorn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/human_unicorn/32/876_2.png) [@Human\_Unicorn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Human_Unicorn)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 7:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/6 "2007-09-07T19:50:21Z")
> [@Nunya](#): > > hey tattiana! welcome to pherotalk. > > you know - i’ve been wondering about this too. I’ve got a really good trans friend. She was in the Miss Continental this past weekend. But anyways - i’ve been curious about pheros and trangender myself. > > I tend to agree with May. I would opt for TAL and and Instant Sexiness A. I don’t think TAH will work so well, because at least for me, it makes me disappear, and when you are trans you are absolutely required to be FIERCE. Plus I’ve noticed that guys that respond to TAL tend to be very Alpha and quite forward/aggressive. The one thing tho, is that gay men don’t seem to respond to it at all. I cease to exist for them. I’m a straight woman, and strangely enough, I get more hits from gay men phermone free then when wearing TAL. I guess it’s too female, and perhaps normally i put out something more androgynous. i can’t explain it. or my natural pheros are gay. I don’t know. But trannies respond to TAL - like many other women. Friendly and accepting. > > So I guess we have to clarify the target audience. are you looking for a straight guy that’s not in the lifestyle and eventually break it to him? Or a guy that is trans-friendly? > > And it makes me wonder - if the guy is trans-friendly, is he straight or is he gay (not trying to get political - just wondering from a pheromonal standpoint)? I’m presuming you are pre-op? (sorry if i’m being too forward. 😛) Wow, do you have any pictures of your trans friend? My audience… Well, I’ve been doing tons of reading and alot of trans-friendly men are tranny chasers and I don’t want a man after me for my she-male status so I don’t know about trans-friendly men. I mean if he has no problem with me being trans than that’s great but I want a straight guy that I will have to break it down for. I hate having to go through all of that but it’s necessary for a healthy relationship. Oh and yes. I’m pre-op. I wont have surgery until about 2010-2012. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Unicorn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/human_unicorn/32/876_2.png) [@Human\_Unicorn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Human_Unicorn)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 7:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/7 "2007-09-07T19:50:54Z")
Thank you all very much! ---
**Author:** ![May](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/may/32/1909_2.png) [@May](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/May)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 8:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/8 "2007-09-07T20:48:53Z")
Hi again I’ve had a bit of a think and I’m going to throw those thoughts out here. I’m a bit of a newbie so hold fire before ordering until some of the more experienced users have chipped in here. Or you might also like to call or PM Jasmin - who is really friendly and helpful and very open - so don’t be nervous about that. From what you say I think you what we call more of a TAH girl than a TAL girl. The difference between TAH and TAL is the difference between the kittenish Marilyn Monroe type of sexiness and the Angelina Jolie, tomb raider type of sexy. Both are useful and it is fun to switch but mostly you seem to be into the tah vibe. I would suggest alphanols too for that fun vibe. So, perhaps lust after me (for social and flirting - not work) with added cops. Also Tah, Instant Sexiness B (not so much A at the moment) , and MX315? Also useful in your library for that light fun to be around kick might be [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Shine. Ladies what do you think? I know a lot of this is from the advanced menu and I’m not sure what Jas is saying about this. But I think the “softer” women’s vibe would be good here? What do the more experienced ladies here think? Best May ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 9:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/9 "2007-09-07T21:23:16Z")
Women and men both product testosterone, but genetic women have a lower amount in their system. I think Tatiana probably already has a high amount of testosterone for a woman, and so she might want to concentrate on some [female pheromones](https://phera.com/) to bring the male/female pheromone ratio into a more female balance. TAH and TAL would both be worth experimenting with. Also estratetranol. Certainly copulins are worth a try. The nols and none should be used very carefully, as these might tend to throw things more towards the masculine side of the balance. It’s not really a problem for the genetic ladies using small amounts, but it might be more of an issue for an XY lady. ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 9:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/10 "2007-09-07T21:36:48Z")
well i’m gonna chime in again… May - I don’t know - I’m a pretty strong personality but not an extrovert really. When I wear TAH - i disappear, and/or people get agressive in a bad way and try to walk all over me. I didn’t enjoy that at all. I think TAH works for bold women to being with to soften up the edges. TAL however, just adds fierceness. It can take someone that’s introverted and make them the goddess int he center of attention. Tattiana should test each out for herself of course. The MX135 one would be interesting - considering it’s a female symphonic. I would love to see how that worked out. And GWTW - actually most of the t-girls I know that are on hormones tend to have suppressed testosterone - I wouldn’t advise any androstenone products, but -nols should be just fine. Cops definitely should be in the mix. the EST idea is a really good one too. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dutchess](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_dutchess/32/1279_2.png) [@The\_Dutchess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/The_Dutchess)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 6:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/11 "2007-09-09T06:53:16Z")
As far as TAL verses TAH, I use TAL more personally but have also had excellent results with TAH. On some occasions it even out-performs the TAL, for me at least. Also I have to echo everyone else, Tattiana, about copulins. I think for the affect you are looking for, cops would be even more vital than pheros. All the previous posters have given really good advice, and going on personal experience the products recommended are very good. As was mentioned previously the more advanced mixes aren’t usually sold to first-time buyers. They like for a person to have a bit of experience with pheromones before moving along. However if you are interested in any of them you could talk to Jasmine to find out how strict they are with that policy. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 10:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/12 "2007-09-09T10:22:03Z")
Hi Tattina Glad to see you here in the ladies forum. 😃 I agree with the girls and I think copulan products would be great on you. Its hard to say if you have a TAH or a TAL personality. I benefit from both products myself but I am more of a TAL girl. I am a extroverted alpha type. > [@](#): > > I would suggest alphanols too for that fun vibe. So, perhaps lust after me (for social and flirting - not work) with added cops. Also Tah, Instant Sexiness B (not so much A at the moment) , and MX315? Also useful in your library for that light fun to be around kick might be Instant Openness and Instant Shine. LOL May you do mean mx135 right? Yes I think that would be a good choice and IS/B. Even though B is TAH heavy it still has TAL in it from what I learned from Dolly so you will still get the benefits of both. The only thing is B dosnt come in a to-go bottle. It is really hard to say with the Instant sexiness products you really need to try them both to know which one is your favorite and its different for everyone. So to keep costs down maybe get a to-go of bottle of IS/A (TAL heavy Tah and cops) and one of MX135 (that has TAH and cops in it) there are other things in them to. This way you get to experience both TAL and TAH and you will know which one works best for you. Another option is to just buy a bottle of straight TAH or TAL. I think you will have a favorite but you will benefit from both products. They are a good value because a big bottle is something like $15 bucks and I wouldnt go without them in my pheromone arsenal. I think Androstenol products would be great as May suggested they promote communication and a fun atmosphere. [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), Instant Honesty, CTTM which is a mix of the first 2. Stay away from the none products for now. I dont think its the vibe your going for. Those are in most the mens stuff. I also think you should get a bottle of EOW from Love Scent. Androtics cops are better in my opinion but they dont sell a pure cop formula yet. So now that we confused the hell out of you this is what I think you should start with. IS/A MX135. IO Shine. Its true they dont like to sell the advanced products to new people but I know Jas will be ok with this as long as you post about your results with the advanced stuff. I do suggest you call her like Dutchess said. She has a ton of experience and will probably know exactly what will work best. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Kitten](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kitten/32/1051_2.png) [@Kitten](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kitten)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 3:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/13 "2007-09-09T15:59:53Z")
Hey 🙂. Welcome Tattiana. You’ve found a great, really open group of ladies to chat with about pheromones. The best place for you to start would be to call up Jasmine during business hours. I was a tiny bit shy to call her, myself. But she really is very nice and professional at the same time. She _knows_ pheromones and is your best resource. I agree with everyone who has already posted, especially Tisha, May, and Dutchess. You can trust them to know what they’re talking about too. My recs? If the world were perfect and price no object, here’s what I give you to experiment with: - _P74:_ Great for getting groups to open up and accept you. Read up on it. I’d really recommend this one for you. - _Instant Sexiness B:_ You sound like an IS B (TAH) girl to me too. Which means kitteny and soft. Instant Sexiness has, I think, a blend of 8 different female pheromones. Should cover everything you’d need. - _MX135:_ This stuff is amazing. I am starting to experiment with it again. Smells like amaretto chocolate and is like Instant Sexiness B on steroids. Well worth the investment. - _EST:_ Hmm. This is a comforting/bonding pheromone that pregnant females produce. Guess you couldn’t get more genetically female than that! Relaxes both men and women and seems to make men really like you. - _Instant Honesty:_ (From your pic and ladyboy reference, I assume you’re Asian.) This mix features beta androstenol. Everyone likes this molecule, but Asian people seem to like it extra. So it might make you and your other Asian friends super happy. - _[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/):_ I haven’t tried this exact formulation, but I have tried products that feature the primary ingredient, androstediedone (did I spell that right?). There have been studies that show that it lights up the same sexy portion of the brain in chickys and guys who like guys, leaving straight guys unmoved. When you’re on the prowl, it might help identify your easiest male targets. Best bets on a real-world, still-in-school budget: At the very least, try to gos of P74 and MX135 (I don’t think Instant Sexiness B comes in to go size). And be sure to come back and tell us your adventures. Cheers, Kitten ---
**Author:** ![Mia\_Culpa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mia_culpa/32/393_2.png) [@Mia\_Culpa](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mia_Culpa)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2007, 1:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/14 "2007-09-10T13:09:01Z")
Human Unicorn: I’m a newbie myself and not the person to give pheromone product or usage advice, but I wanted to not only welcome you to the women’s forum of PheroTalk, but to especially welcome you to the world of womanhood and give you a big virtual hug! If that’s a picture of you in your avatar, then you are a very beautiful lady. 🙂 Now, even though I’m a noob to the forum and to pheromones, and by all means take experienced users advice and opinions before mine, it seems that in your relatively unique (to PheroTalk) case as a male-to-female transsexual, you need to consider [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) in terms of your general male chemistry and your personal male chemistry in terms of pheromones (and hormones?), your goals and how they may be thusly impacted, your physical visual presentation and behaviors…and possibly even consider any female hormone supplements taken, if any, and their affect on your own pheromones and any products purchased. So, you might want to consider the potential effects of (assuming no added female hormones): - The pheromones & sex/gender hormones you are producing and/or excreting (male pheromones; male and female hormones like androgen, testosterone, and estrogen, etc. – yeah, really, all guys produce female sex hormones…and vice versa!) - The pheromones & sex/gender hormones you are not producing and/or excreting AT ALL (copulins, aka, “cops”'; progesterone (?), etc.) - The pheromones & sex/gender hormones you are producing and/or excreting in lower amounts (female pheromones; female hormones like estrogen, etc.) - The pheromones & sex/gender hormones you are producing and/or excreting in higher amounts (male pheromones; male hormones like testosterone, androgen, etc.) …and… - Any female hormone supplements you may (or may not) be taking in your transition from male to female, and the possible effects on your own pheromones and/or any purchased pheromone products ( I don’t know female hormone supplements for male-to-female transsexuals may be affecting your pheromone production/excretion, if at all). - This may affect the products you select, their use, and their effects. And don’t feel that you have to share such personal information to strangers on the internet, but if relevant, perhaps a call or PM to Jasmine might elicit more about that and specific product suggestions. Note that younger people generally tend to produce more sex [hormones](http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.jsp?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/sex_hormones_tests.jsp) than older ones. I don’t know how age affects pheromones, male or female, other than cops may decrease in females with advanced age and/or birth control use…which are both situations entirely irrelevant to you! Now balance that with: - Your goals (to clarify your female gender status; relationship with a man; other?) - The type of man you want to attract (? … alpha male? “nice guy”? jerk? other?) - Your personality type (soft, female, shy) - Your projected visual/physical image and personal (soft, shy, female, but possibly not enough “female-ness”, viz., confused reactions to your gender status) - Your social behavior, in general and in terms of gender (as above) As May correctly pointed out, your male body chemistry is not producing any copulins at ALL. I certainly agree that a cops product should be strongly considered for purchase and experimentation, in terms of dosage and effect, but I would imagine that your own personal and general levels and variety of male pheromones will continue to be a part of your pheromone signaling mechanism regardless of your projected female image, behaviors, and female gender status – and maybe that’s where some of the confusion from others regarding your gender is coming from. In terms of pheromone products, perhaps consider that what may work for women in general, may or may not work, or may be less (or more!) effective, for YOU and your personal chemistry and situation. Given all of these, I think the key may be to do as I did and buy small sizes of a selection of different products, and then experiment and test them individually and in combinations, and in different situations and environments, to see how they work with your look, your personality and social cues, your unique and still male chemistry, the people around you (to help clarify social signals of your female-ness), and – of course, and very importantly! --, the type of men you want to attract. 😉 The experts and experienced users here have and will continue to give you excellent suggestions to consider. I’d also suggest, on the same note, that you read new and old threads in BOTH men’s and women’s forums: specifically, for the effects different products on others when worn BY men, read the men’s forum…even though hooking up with women is the general goal, there, many posts contain experiences on both men and women (that is true here, too). And when you have received your order, do test your products out, both individually and in combinations, and then report back to us here on the women’s forum! Good Luck, and again, welcome! Mia ---
**Author:** ![Mia\_Culpa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mia_culpa/32/393_2.png) [@Mia\_Culpa](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mia_Culpa)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2007, 1:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/15 "2007-09-10T13:17:48Z")
Human Unicorn: I’m a newbie myself and not the person to give pheromone product or usage advice, but I wanted to not only welcome you to the women’s forum of PheroTalk, but to especially welcome you to the world of womanhood and give you a big virtual hug! If that’s a picture of you in your avatar, then you are a very beautiful lady. 🙂 Now, even though I’m a noob to the forum and to pheromones, and by all means take experienced users advice and opinions before mine, it seems that in your relatively unique (to PheroTalk) case as a male-to-female transsexual, you need to consider [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) in terms of your general male chemistry and your personal male chemistry in terms of pheromones (and hormones?), your goals and how they may be thusly impacted, your physical visual presentation and behaviors…and possibly even consider any female hormone supplements taken, if any, and their affect on your own pheromones and any products purchased. So, you might want to consider the potential effects of (assuming no added female hormones): - The pheromones & sex/gender hormones you are producing and/or excreting (male pheromones; male and female hormones like androgen, testosterone, and estrogen, etc. – yeah, really, all guys produce female sex hormones…and vice versa!) - The pheromones & sex/gender hormones you are not producing and/or excreting AT ALL (copulins, aka, “cops”'; progesterone (?), etc.) - The pheromones & sex/gender hormones you are producing and/or excreting in lower amounts (female pheromones; female hormones like estrogen, etc.) - The pheromones & sex/gender hormones you are producing and/or excreting in higher amounts (male pheromones; male hormones like testosterone, androgen, etc.) …and… - Any female hormone supplements you may (or may not) be taking in your transition from male to female, and the possible effects on your own pheromones and/or any purchased pheromone products. I don’t know if or how female hormone supplements for male-to-female transsexuals may be affecting your pheromone production/excretion, or any pheromone, if at all. If there is an effect, it could potentially affect the products you select, their use, and their effects. (And don’t feel that you have to share such personal information to strangers on the internet, but if relevant, perhaps a call or PM to Jasmine might elicit more about that and specific product suggestions.) Now balance that with: - Your goals (to clarify your female gender status; relationship with a man; other?) - The type of man you want to attract (? … alpha male? “nice guy”? jerk? other?) - Your personality type (soft, female, shy) - Your projected visual/physical image and personal (soft, shy, female, but possibly not enough “female-ness”, viz., confused reactions to your gender status) - Your social behavior, in general and in terms of gender (as above) Note that in general younger people tend to produce more sex [hormones](http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.jsp?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/sex_hormones_tests.jsp) than older ones. I don’t know how age affects pheromones, male or female, other than cops may decrease in females with advanced age and/or birth control use…which are both situations entirely irrelevant to you! As May correctly pointed out, it is certain that your male body chemistry is not producing any copulins at ALL. I certainly agree that a cops product should be strongly considered for purchase and experimentation in terms of dosage and effect. but I would imagine that your remaining male pheromones will continue to be a part of your pheromone signaling mechanism regardless of your projected female image, behaviors, and female gender status – and maybe that’s where some of the confusion from others regarding your gender is coming from. Also, in terms of pheromone products, perhaps consider that what may work for women in general, may or may not work, or may be less (or more!) effective, for YOU and your personal chemistry and situation. Given all of these, I think the key may be to do as I did and buy small sizes of a selection of different products, and then experiment and test them individually and in combinations, and in different situations and environments, to see how they work with your look, your personality and social cues, your unique and still male chemistry, the people around you (to help clarify social signals of your female-ness), and – of course, and very importantly! --, the type of men you want to attract. 😉 The experts and experienced users here have and will continue to give you excellent suggestions to consider. I’d also suggest, on the same note, that you read new and old threads in BOTH men’s and women’s forums: specifically, for the effects different products have on others when worn BY men, read the men’s forum – even though hooking up with women is the general goal there, many posts contain details of the effects on men as well. And once you have received your order, do test your products out both individually and in combinations, and immediately report back to us here on the women’s forum! Good Luck, and again, welcome! Mia ---
**Author:** ![Mia\_Culpa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mia_culpa/32/393_2.png) [@Mia\_Culpa](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mia_Culpa)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2007, 1:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/16 "2007-09-10T13:22:11Z")
Another one of my posts got ated. ☹ Hopefully it will show up soon. if not, I will PM it to you, Human Unicorn. edit: I did PM it…hopefully the less coherent, unedited version will show up later. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Unicorn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/human_unicorn/32/876_2.png) [@Human\_Unicorn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Human_Unicorn)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2007, 3:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/17 "2007-09-10T15:11:06Z")
Thank you ladies so much! I will repsond to mpms in a bit. Thanks again for all the helpful suggestion! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2007, 11:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-ladies-trans-woman-19-what-gives-me-something-extra-to-clarify-my-gender/5450/18 "2007-09-10T23:03:35Z")
> [@Mia\_Culpa](#): > > Another one of my posts got ated. ☹ > > Hopefully it will show up soon. if not, I will PM it to you, Human Unicorn. > > edit: I did PM it…hopefully the less coherent, unedited version will show up later. The moderated posts only happen up until your 50th post so it should get better soon Mia. The only other place that they mod after that is in the store forum section. Tisha