# Hey PheroTalk **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [August 25, 2013, 2:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-pherotalk/59875 "2013-08-25T14:48:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![WesleyInman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wesleyinman/32/607_2.png) [@WesleyInman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WesleyInman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 2:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-pherotalk/59875/1 "2013-08-25T14:48:39Z")
Hey everyone 🙂 I just joined up today..I’m a competitive strength athlete and bodybuilding supplement store owner. Been using [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) on and off for over a decade now. Came aboard to learn some new stuff and pickup some new products for myself and some clients. Currently have NPA and am looking for something more legit. So far my eyes are on Ammo… Please feel free to point me in the right direction. I will be here regularly posting and learning 🙂 Any thread suggestions for me, especially chemistry based, I’d be very grateful for any direction from experienced vets. Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Sea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.sea/32/1227_2.png) [@Mr.Sea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Sea)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-pherotalk/59875/2 "2013-08-25T15:45:54Z")
so what do you want to use them for. Relationships, social events, or business. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) itself can be used in a varity of situations depending on strangth what you pair it with. ---
**Author:** ![WesleyInman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wesleyinman/32/607_2.png) [@WesleyInman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WesleyInman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-pherotalk/59875/3 "2013-08-25T16:02:28Z")
> [@Mr.Sea](#): > > so what do you want to use them for. Relationships, social events, or business. Ammo itself can be used in a varity of situations depending on strangth what you pair it with. All of the above 🙂 Probably female/sexual attraction being #1. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Sea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.sea/32/1227_2.png) [@Mr.Sea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Sea)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-pherotalk/59875/4 "2013-08-25T16:31:48Z")
then read through the forms until you find what you are looking for or figure out a specific question to ask. the more we know about you the more we can help ---
**Author:** ![Wyatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Wyatt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wyatt)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-pherotalk/59875/5 "2013-08-25T19:50:24Z")
> [@WesleyInman](#): > > All of the above 🙂 > > Probably female/sexual attraction being #1. Then I’d suggest their newbie kit. However, I’m not a big fan of Ammo in regular scent, it’s a strong cologne type scent. If not into strong colognes see if they can give you the togo in World Edition scent instead. Same formula, but different scent. I think you can put in the comment section of the order to change the togo bottle to world edition. [The Killer Pheromone Newbie Kit :: Spray Pheromones :: Androtics Direct](https://a314.com/) As for NPA I’ve read it works, particularly the old formula, but some like TUTH better. However, be dang, dang, dang careful with either. I used to be a bodybuilder and my guess is if you’re already like me, then NPA and TUTH are NOT what you want to slap on. You’re already likely throwing out too much none as is and scaring off most of the women. (D-17X was the first product I ever bought and I could tell it was doing something, but I had no clue that with my targets back then that my natural none production was too high as is, and that just threw me way, way over the top). Stick with Ammo and Instant Shine. There are many, many other combos that people use. I find MX297 along with P83 and [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) is great for getting numbers/dates. I also slap on one spray of TUTH, but with young women even at 40 one spray is enough for me to ghost half the young ones. However, TUTH works wonders on cougars and women that are really in touch with their sexuality. With everything though, read up, test, test, test, work your game and have fun! ---
**Author:** ![WesleyInman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wesleyinman/32/607_2.png) [@WesleyInman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WesleyInman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-pherotalk/59875/6 "2013-08-25T20:49:27Z")
> [@Mr.Sea](#): > > then read through the forms until you find what you are looking for or figure out a specific question to ask. the more we know about you the more we can help Thank you very much!! > [@Wyatt](#): > > Then I’d suggest their newbie kit. However, I’m not a big fan of Ammo in regular scent, it’s a strong cologne type scent. If not into strong colognes see if they can give you the togo in World Edition scent instead. Same formula, but different scent. I think you can put in the comment section of the order to change the togo bottle to world edition. > > [The Killer Pheromone Newbie Kit :: Spray Pheromones :: Androtics Direct](https://a314.com/) > > As for NPA I’ve read it works, particularly the old formula, but some like TUTH better. However, be dang, dang, dang careful with either. I used to be a bodybuilder and my guess is if you’re already like me, then NPA and TUTH are NOT what you want to slap on. You’re already likely throwing out too much none as is and scaring off most of the women. (D-17X was the first product I ever bought and I could tell it was doing something, but I had no clue that with my targets back then that my natural none production was too high as is, and that just threw me way, way over the top). > > Stick with Ammo and Instant Shine. There are many, many other combos that people use. I find MX297 along with P83 and Instant Honesty is great for getting numbers/dates. I also slap on one spray of TUTH, but with young women even at 40 one spray is enough for me to ghost half the young ones. However, TUTH works wonders on cougars and women that are really in touch with their sexuality. > > With everything though, read up, test, test, test, work your game and have fun! Appreciate the detailed response 🙂 I went to order TUTH and it is out of stock ☹ I may go with the ammo as you are saying and just try it out…but yes I have heard that elevated testosterone levels in men who work out causes them to release more natural pheromones. I guess I am not sure how to find the “balance” that I have read so many guys here are acheiving. Maybe just try different products and see what works?? Yeah as a lifter, you do already establish more attention then normal. I actually want less attention, but only the right attention. Most of my clients are in the opposite boat where they want attention…so I have had them toy around with a few items, but I’m certainly no expert. But I do want to be eventually 🙂 The NPA works. I can certainly say that for a fact. I have women literally drop things to come help me out at stores, and anywhere else where I actually speak to them. I will say for a fact it is a good product. The one thing I have noticed is that it has drawn alot of feedback from males. They are overly friendly, respectful and I can certainly see that it has an effect on them. The product does draw male sexual attention as well, though that is not something I am interested in at all. But the product does work. I guess I do have a question for you experienced guys. What is your thought on [unscented Pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/stealth-unfragranced/)?? Do you think they work as well?? If not, what is the thought process on this?? I have a scent that I absolutely love, its a very very strong masculine scent, has leather and various other very strong features.and I wouldn’t mind adding a pheromone to it here and there. Any thoughts?? If not, can someone recommend a good scented pheromone spray?? I keep reading about TOGO kits or testers, but I cannot find these trial size products..A point in the direction would be great. Im more then willing to buy a few…maybe that kit might be a solid start. THANK YOU ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 3:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-pherotalk/59875/7 "2013-08-26T03:37:06Z")
Don’t waste your money on unscented - Pheros need a scent to diffuse effectively and adding scents to unscented for good results can be more challenging than you think. The light Neroli (orange blossom) scent of most products is easily covered by a good cologne and light Akuto meshes nicely with a good number. The only one with a cologne scent itself is Ammo and there are three versions - FF21 (standard) -clean/strongsoapy, FF22 (world edition) - more floral/European style and FF23 (Summer Ammo, Blue Summer) - clean/delicate/sharp. [World Edition](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/world-edition/) and Blue Summer are my favourites. Also pheros can elicit very different and sometimes extreme scent responses - so even if you smell nothing, others may find they stink to high heaven. Again, a decent scent helps manage this (and breakdown stench) much better. At 35 and if you already use NPA, you should seriously consider some A314 to go alongside it - makes for a good mature high-impact sexual mix (younger ones - below mid 20s may not like it but you do get exceptions). TUTH/A314 is also good at your age in a similar but if its not back on sale yet, NPA will suit you fine. There are many good NPA threads here if you want to search. 🙂 Killer kit here: [The Killer Pheromone Newbie Kit :: Spray Pheromones :: Androtics Direct](https://a314.com/) TOGOs here: [Pheromones To Go™ (Portable / Travel Size) :: Androtics Direct](https://a314.com/) ---
**Author:** ![WesleyInman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wesleyinman/32/607_2.png) [@WesleyInman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WesleyInman)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 9:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-pherotalk/59875/8 "2013-08-29T09:48:21Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Don’t waste your money on unscented - Pheros need a scent to diffuse effectively and adding scents to unscented for good results can be more challenging than you think. The light Neroli (orange blossom) scent of most products is easily covered by a good cologne and light Akuto meshes nicely with a good number. The only one with a cologne scent itself is Ammo and there are three versions - FF21 (standard) -clean/strongsoapy, FF22 (world edition) - more floral/European style and FF23 (Summer Ammo, Blue Summer) - clean/delicate/sharp. World Edition and Blue Summer are my favourites. > > Also pheros can elicit very different and sometimes extreme scent responses - so even if you smell nothing, others may find they stink to high heaven. Again, a decent scent helps manage this (and breakdown stench) much better. > > At 35 and if you already use NPA, you should seriously consider some A314 to go alongside it - makes for a good mature high-impact sexual mix (younger ones - below mid 20s may not like it but you do get exceptions). TUTH/A314 is also good at your age in a similar but if its not back on sale yet, NPA will suit you fine. There are many good NPA threads here if you want to search. 🙂 > > Killer kit here: > > [The Killer Pheromone Newbie Kit :: Spray Pheromones :: Androtics Direct](https://a314.com/) > > TOGOs here: > > [Pheromones To Go? (Portable / Travel Size) :: Androtics Direct](https://a314.com/) Thank you! Plan on ordering one or two today for starters 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 3:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-pherotalk/59875/9 "2013-08-29T15:40:24Z")
Welcome Wesley, This is a super informal and not so tailored response if you will. I would luuuuuuuv to spend more time assisting you especially since you are a newbie. We are short staffed and these gift certificates are done manually. It takes a great deal and I am back logged. I am hoping that when I catch up on my work, I can start answering these intro threads the way I use to In fact, I am hoping that soon, someone more experienced than me can come in so I get to do what I am great at, customer service. Thank you for giving pheromones a chance. Your gc was issued!