# Hey! Skeptic & Looking for Best Results w/ Pheromones in Socials. M/24/Portugal **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [July 22, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704 "2015-07-22T17:16:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![crypton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@crypton](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crypton)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/1 "2015-07-22T17:16:39Z")
Hey People I’m a guy, 25 years old, and live in Portugal. I have been reading quite a bit about this lately, found some articles linking to this forum. I look forward to trying pheromones, I may go with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) first, it appears to be the most general and affordable to start, else I would go with Alpha A314. Skepticism is taking the better part of me at the moment, I have an hard time believing this can have any measurable effect in my social interactions, but I see so many positive comments on this forum that I have to at least consider it deeply. Thanks for reading me, if you are curious about anything else please ask away. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 6:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/2 "2015-07-22T18:30:59Z")
A bit more info about yourself, why you are interested in pheros, the sort of people you want to influence, what sorts of results you want and your range of opportunities for using them will help get you better advice and earn the GC to help get started. Being sceptical is one thing and good but simply spraying a phero and going on your way without adjusting your behaviour to suit it probably won’t get you the best results but a bit of thought, targeting and adopting behavioural traits to suit your pheros will help back them-up no-end. Also, the AD warranty is good and for consumer products yo uwoun’t lose a thing if they don’t work-out for you. All AD ask is that you give them a chance to advise/offer an alternative before you throw the products back at them. ---
**Author:** ![crypton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@crypton](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crypton)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/3 "2015-07-22T18:50:27Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > A bit more info about yourself, why you are interested in pheros, the sort of people you want to influence, what sorts of results you want and your range of opportunities for using them will help get you better advice and earn the GC to help get started. > > Being sceptical is one thing and good but simply spraying a phero and going on your way without adjusting your behaviour to suit it probably won’t get you the best results but a bit of thought, targeting and adopting behavioural traits to suit your pheros will help back them-up no-end. > > Also, the AD warranty is good and for consumer products yo uwoun’t lose a thing if they don’t work-out for you. All AD ask is that you give them a chance to advise/offer an alternative before you throw the products back at them. I am looking into this for scientific (read curiosity) purposes, and personal development as well. I want to influence people in general, have less gatekeepers blocking my way in life, having less NO’s and more Yes’es. I am looking for a general improvement in social interaction results. Well, in one hand I want to get the best results possible with the pheromones, but at the same time if I change my behavior too much to suit a particular pheromone, I will be confused if I get the results which are expected from the pheromone, how will I know it was not my change in behavior that did it? SO I may be divided here, I want it to work of course. =) So maybe I should look how to get the best possible results from [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) and ways to optimize it. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 7:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/4 "2015-07-22T19:09:52Z")
Hi crypt on, I wouldn’t over think the whole [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) thing. I would start with the instant line like mobo said. I would spray on and see what happens. Make sure to use the right product for the right situation. I think Ammo and IS will be the mist widely used for you right now. Also you need body heat to diffuse these things so make sure to check out app points and good luck. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 9:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/5 "2015-07-22T21:32:08Z")
Hello, Crypton! Welcome! I approve of your motivations! Curiosity is a totally legit reason to seek out information and experiences. I’m with you, I prefer to not take on a different persona to suit my [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). I prefer to choose pheromones that enhance my natural characteristics. Sometimes I realize that my own flaws could work against me, no matter what pheros I’m wearing…such as shyness, lack of confidence, grumpiness, etc. But these are personal quirks that I generally want to iron out anyway. That said, I think you are right to go for IS first. That was my first product too, and i noticed immediate effects. My second product was IS/A, but that’s a women’s product. I think you would have good success with regular Ammo. It has an unmistakable sexual quality to it that will add a little boost to your ego. Let us know if you have any more questions! ---
**Author:** ![crypton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@crypton](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crypton)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 7:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/6 "2015-07-23T07:51:34Z")
> [@justintime469](#): > > Hi crypt on, > > I wouldn’t over think the whole pheromone thing. I would start with the instant line like mobo said. I would spray on and see what happens. Make sure to use the right product for the right situation. I think Ammo and IS will be the mist widely used for you right now. Also you need body heat to diffuse these things so make sure to check out app points and good luck. I didn’t see him suggesting the Instant line, maybe that was in another thread. And yes, I plan on applying it with the most correct procedure as possible. Will have to research a bit about it, and I will also have to calibrate/test with different doses. Thanks =) > [@Miss\_Dragon](#): > > Hello, Crypton! Welcome! > > I approve of your motivations! Curiosity is a totally legit reason to seek out information and experiences. I’m with you, I prefer to not take on a different persona to suit my pheromones. I prefer to choose pheromones that enhance my natural characteristics. Sometimes I realize that my own flaws could work against me, no matter what pheros I’m wearing…such as shyness, lack of confidence, grumpiness, etc. But these are personal quirks that I generally want to iron out anyway. > > That said, I think you are right to go for IS first. That was my first product too, and i noticed immediate effects. My second product was IS/A, but that’s a women’s product. I think you would have good success with regular Ammo. It has an unmistakable sexual quality to it that will add a little boost to your ego. > > Let us know if you have any more questions! Glad that you understand me. I am surprised how you people are so confident that this works, and you are so sure this has a positive impact on your lives. And I am also surprised to see that the results are really instant and noticeable. You are really getting my hopes up. I wonder, how come pheromones are not more popular if they are so effective? ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 9:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/7 "2015-07-23T09:49:55Z")
Hello crypton! Welcome to PheromoneTalk! 🙂 Mobo mentioned the consumer products. Its popularly known here as Instant Line too. 🙂 For a skeptic like you, what you need are the instant effects to get you the 😮 first. Try and test by their lonesome the Ishine, IOpenness, IHonesty, and IJerk. Start with 3 sprays of each, solo, and mingle. I strongly warn you to read first the product description of IJerk at [smartmones.com](http://smartmones.com) before embarking on IJ testing. You won’t be calibrating these because they are already properly mixed. I just dished the $25 Intro GC in your email to help you out. 🙂 As to your wonderings… well, let’s deal with that after you tested the mones. 🙂 Happy pheroing! 🙂 ======== _ **Disclosure:** I’ve edited your thread title from **“I’m a skeptic, but I want to try this =)”** to **“Hey! Skeptic & Looking for Best Results w/ Pheromones in Socials. M/24/Portugal”** for topic clarity and forum readability. It’ll also generate more “reads” to your thread. If you want to opt-out simply let me know. Thank you!_ ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 4:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/8 "2015-07-23T16:07:13Z")
> [@crypton](#): > > I wonder, how come pheromones are not more popular if they are so effective? I can see 2 reasons for this. First, when the notion of pheromones hits the public, they’re usually framed as being effective to the extreme, like mind control powers. Think Ocean’s 13. This is a huge groaner for those of us who are actually into pheromones. This gives people the perception that they are larger than life, and it raises ethical qualms. Secondly, when people with this mental framing actually try pheromones, their expectations are sorely under-met. They may get them from a good company like AD, or some crappy no-namer that they picked up in a sex shop (and probably doesn’t contain pheros, or maybe the wrong ones). But when they don’t see people ripping off their clothes and ravaging them, they decide that it’s all hooey. The best approach is the balanced perspective. Pheromones are subtle chemical signalers, and they can help frame the way that people perceive you. They can also shift someone’s mood. Pairing the proper effects to the proper situations and subjects is the way to leverage the real action of pheromones to your advantage. A lot of it requires social observation and psychological consideration. That’s why, if you browse the forum, you’ll see a lot of the discussions heavily involving psychological concepts as well as pheromone usage. My advice is to try to not expect extreme results, but be perceptive to deviations from the norm. Some products pack more of a wallop, and some are subtle. It depends on the wearer, the subject, and the situation. Sometimes the subtle ones can be more effective. Looking forward to your reports! ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/9 "2015-07-23T16:12:22Z")
Also, animals are more perceptive to pheromones than humans are. So sometimes when I’m trying to get a handle on a molecule or product, I’ll try to get around a cat or dog and see how they react. Dogs LOVE p96! ---
**Author:** ![crypton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@crypton](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crypton)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2015, 9:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/10 "2015-07-24T21:03:47Z")
> [@Dee\_A](#): > > Hello crypton! > > Welcome to PheromoneTalk! 🙂 > > Mobo mentioned the consumer products. Its popularly known here as Instant Line too. 🙂 > > For a skeptic like you, what you need are the instant effects to get you the 😮 first. > > Try and test by their lonesome the Ishine, IOpenness, IHonesty, and IJerk. Start with 3 sprays of each, solo, and mingle. I strongly warn you to read first the product description of IJerk at [smartmones.com](http://smartmones.com) before embarking on IJ testing. You won’t be calibrating these because they are already properly mixed. > > I just dished the $25 Intro GC in your email to help you out. 🙂 > > As to your wonderings… well, let’s deal with that after you tested the mones. 🙂 > > Happy pheroing! 🙂 > > ======== > _ **Disclosure:** I’ve edited your thread title from **“I’m a skeptic, but I want to try this =)”** to **“Hey! Skeptic & Looking for Best Results w/ Pheromones in Socials. M/24/Portugal”** for topic clarity and forum readability. It’ll also generate more “reads” to your thread. If you want to opt-out simply let me know. Thank you!_ Thansk for the GF, suggestions, and also for optimizing my thread title for better exposure. I would just like to point out that I am not 24, but 25. Thanks for considering Dee =) > [@Miss\_Dragon](#): > > I can see 2 reasons for this. First, when the notion of pheromones hits the public, they’re usually framed as being effective to the extreme, like mind control powers. Think Ocean’s 13. This is a huge groaner for those of us who are actually into pheromones. This gives people the perception that they are larger than life, and it raises ethical qualms. > > Secondly, when people with this mental framing actually try pheromones, their expectations are sorely under-met. They may get them from a good company like AD, or some crappy no-namer that they picked up in a sex shop (and probably doesn’t contain pheros, or maybe the wrong ones). But when they don’t see people ripping off their clothes and ravaging them, they decide that it’s all hooey. > > The best approach is the balanced perspective. Pheromones are subtle chemical signalers, and they can help frame the way that people perceive you. They can also shift someone’s mood. Pairing the proper effects to the proper situations and subjects is the way to leverage the real action of pheromones to your advantage. A lot of it requires social observation and psychological consideration. That’s why, if you browse the forum, you’ll see a lot of the discussions heavily involving psychological concepts as well as pheromone usage. > > My advice is to try to not expect extreme results, but be perceptive to deviations from the norm. Some products pack more of a wallop, and some are subtle. It depends on the wearer, the subject, and the situation. Sometimes the subtle ones can be more effective. > > Looking forward to your reports! Well, I understand that, but I didn’t think that would be enough to justify the lack of popularity. But, I now inspected the market a bit more deeper, and I think I know what is one of the strongest deterrents after the ones you have already mentioned. And that is price. How much does a liter of pheromones cost? Quite a bit [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) at 4x strength costs over $12,000 a liter. Puts things in perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 7:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/11 "2015-07-25T07:09:07Z")
> [@crypton](#): > > Thansk for the GF, suggestions, and also for optimizing my thread title for better exposure. > > I would just like to point out that I am not 24, but 25. > > Thanks for considering Dee =) Well, I only based it on what you entered in our system. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 1:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/12 "2015-07-25T13:25:12Z")
$12000 a liter ha ha. A liter is a lot. If you are worried about price your best bet is get the 30 ML of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and IS. I find these the most usable and from a price point the best bang for the buck. But you have to remember that using the right ones are really important for the right situation. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/13 "2015-07-25T17:30:19Z")
I really don’t think price is a big deal. Think about it: 3oz of an upscale fragrance like Givenchy can cost upwards of $100, and they are extremely popular. I don’t know why you’d care to price a liter of pheromones, ever. You’d never use it all in a lifetime, unless you were distributing it. And 4x IO is overly strong, too. I never use more than 2 sprays of regular strength. The mainstream world just doesn’t know what pheromones are, what they do, or how to use them properly. There’s a severe lack of education. ---
**Author:** ![crypton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@crypton](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crypton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/14 "2015-07-26T02:46:16Z")
> [@Dee\_A](#): > > Well, I only based it on what you entered in our system. Oh, I may have missed it by 1 year, I apologize for that. > [@justintime469](#): > > $12000 a liter ha ha. A liter is a lot. If you are worried about price your best bet is get the 30 ML of Ammo and IS. I find these the most usable and from a price point the best bang for the buck. But you have to remember that using the right ones are really important for the right situation. LOL yeah. > [@Miss\_Dragon](#): > > I really don’t think price is a big deal. Think about it: 3oz of an upscale fragrance like Givenchy can cost upwards of $100, and they are extremely popular. > > I don’t know why you’d care to price a liter of pheromones, ever. You’d never use it all in a lifetime, unless you were distributing it. And 4x IO is overly strong, too. I never use more than 2 sprays of regular strength. > > The mainstream world just doesn’t know what pheromones are, what they do, or how to use them properly. There’s a severe lack of education. Well, I did it just for fun. Actually the only thing that made me think about the prices is the shipping, I was thinking for going for a cheap TO Go bottle, even if it’s almost no bang for the buck, but then I saw the shipping costs and realized it makes no sense to order one of the smaller bottles, because the shipping costs more than a bottle already, only makes sense to order like 1 or 2 of the bigger bottles. Now I will have to consider which is the best thing to buy first, considering the shipping costs. ---
**Author:** ![jit47](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c67d28/32.png) [@jit47](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jit47)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2015, 3:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/15 "2015-07-26T03:53:42Z")
Go with Ammo and Shine.Can add some Io, if you need help talking to people.Alternatively,you could get the ultimate introduction pack. ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2015, 9:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/16 "2015-07-26T09:06:13Z")
> [@crypton](#): > > Oh, I may have missed it by 1 year, I apologize for that. No problemo. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2015, 8:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/17 "2015-07-26T20:05:27Z")
> [@crypton](#): > > Well, I did it just for fun. Actually the only thing that made me think about the prices is the shipping, I was thinking for going for a cheap TO Go bottle, even if it’s almost no bang for the buck, but then I saw the shipping costs and realized it makes no sense to order one of the smaller bottles, because the shipping costs more than a bottle already, only makes sense to order like 1 or 2 of the bigger bottles. Now I will have to consider which is the best thing to buy first, considering the shipping costs. Makes sense 🙂 Most of us order our products in batches to consolidate shipping. I let new things sit on my wish list until I’m ready to reorder my regular goodies. Also, you could just order more of a variety of the to-go bottles. I generally don’t buy a 30ml until I’ve first tested it as a to-go. The starter pack might have the things you were planning to get, plus a few extras. ---
**Author:** ![crypton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@crypton](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crypton)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/18 "2015-07-27T13:54:38Z")
I posted here, now my post vanished, but I did not even get a notification, not sure why… I guess I didn’t break any forum rules else I would get a notification or something? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/19 "2015-07-27T15:27:08Z")
> [@crypton](#): > > I posted here, now my post vanished, but I did not even get a notification, not sure why… > > I guess I didn’t break any forum rules else I would get a notification or something? The board software can be a bit wonky at times - don’t worry. I’ve also found it can lose longer posts on certain wi-fi networks (notably O2 in the UK) but others are fine. So if you see me giving very short and to the point posts, its probably because I’m on one of those! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![crypton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@crypton](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crypton)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 10:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704/20 "2015-07-27T22:27:37Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > The board software can be a bit wonky at times - don’t worry. > > I’ve also found it can lose longer posts on certain wi-fi networks (notably O2 in the UK) but others are fine. So if you see me giving very short and to the point posts, its probably because I’m on one of those! 🙂 Oh but the post appeared on the forum. But indeed it was longer than average. Anyway, I may write it all over again. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-skeptic-looking-for-best-results-w-pheromones-in-socials-m-24-portugal/64704.md?page=2)