# Hi! From Indonesia :) **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [December 11, 2008, 10:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-indonesia/23848 "2008-12-11T10:36:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![WaOnE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/49beb7/32.png) [@WaOnE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WaOnE)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2008, 10:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-indonesia/23848/1 "2008-12-11T10:36:12Z")
Hi everyone. I’m a male living in Jakarta and currently 26. Please pardon my bad English. I bumped to [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) accidentally. Few weeks back I’m searching tips on making new friends easier, how to start a good conversations and things like that. I forgot how i finally end up on this forum and [androticsdirect.com](http://androticsdirect.com). Did some research on pheromones and it’s positive effect for it’s users, I’m very interested on trying this new approach in my social life. Most will ask why, i’ll have to drag you a some 6 years ago to tell you why. I was married on 2002, and been into a catastrophic marriage life. Me and my (ex) wife, we separated on mid 2004 and ever since, I do have serious problem socializing everywhere even in a club with bunch of drunk girls ready go crazy with me 😛. Till today I’ve spent almost most of my time doing my work. Have tried to make a few movements and failed. For me, it’s very hard to start a conversation especially to girls. I must admit I don’t have the right topic to keep someone talk to me long enough if you know what I mean. So that’s why I think that pheromone might make my life a bit or a lot more easier. Any good suggestions which product I should start with? As It’s a long way down from the states to my country and a significant shipping price (for me), should I buy several products at once? Looking forward for all kind of reply. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Wawan ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Feel\_Good](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.feel_good/32/1148_2.png) [@Mr.Feel\_Good](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Feel_Good)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2008, 10:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-indonesia/23848/2 "2008-12-11T10:55:03Z")
Hey there Wawan and welcome to the forums! I actually think your english is pretty good… it’s much better than the foreign language skills of alot of students i know in college. So kudos to you! From what you’ve mentioned, i think Instant Openness would be a great product for you. It’s a pheromone that helps make people more talkative and makes you seem more approachable… helps break the ice, if you know what i mean? To complement that product, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) would do an excellent job. It helps women around you relax and feel more comfortable, which can go a long way in making them want to stick around you. 😉 Instant Shine would also work well for you, since it sends out a “healthy glow” that others pick up on, and for some people adds a boost of confidence as well. Now, if you’re looking to attract some more intimate attention, Ammo would probably be your best bet. It has a pheromone called Androstenone, which is a manly sexual pheromone. However, it also has 2 social pheromones to help keep it from being overwhelming, and comes mixed in a cologne already. As far as your question about buying several products at once, thats up to you. You have several options… you could buy one product and see how it works for you… you could buy several to-go bottles of products you would like to try (to-go bottles have about 40 sprays, while full size bottles have about 200 sprays)… or you could go all out and get several full size bottles to make sure you don’t pay for shipping as often. It’s really up to you. Or, get a full size bottle and one or two to-go bottles. Whatever makes you happy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2008, 11:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-indonesia/23848/3 "2008-12-11T11:28:39Z")
Hi WaOnE, No problem your English is fine. Welcome to Pherotalk 🙂 I suggest you take a look at CTTM which is a mix of 50/50 anol and bnol the two primary mones in IO and IH. This combo tends to make others approach you more as well as ease interacting with others. Since you have a hard time approaching this would be ideal. If you cant afford a full bottle then go with IO. Ishine for a charismatic warmth that causes comfort and upliftment. AMMO for a sexy attractive masculine confident signal. I suggest you start with one large bottle and a few to-go’s of various products. This will make the most of your shipping expense as well as help you get a feel for the different products. If you have any questions just ask. **Your GC is on its way** 😃 Have fun Tisha ---
**Author:** ![WaOnE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/49beb7/32.png) [@WaOnE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WaOnE)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2008, 11:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-indonesia/23848/4 "2008-12-11T11:50:44Z")
Hi and thank you very much both to Mr.FG and Tisha for your quick reply and the GC even I don’t know how to redeem it. Any clue? 😃 Well, I already got good point from Mr.FG. But yet I’m still thinking about several situations that I might bump with in my daily life. I don’t get any clue form CTTM. Can you please post the link of the product Tisha? Am currently reading the post from Eslite119 and quickly found interesting facts about how pheromones affect Asian people (ehm..girls) as they’re simply all around me. 😃 So the point is, I have to stay away from A314 at first? I’ve just read that oil based product will be best for hot and high humid area right? Indonesia is definitely tropical. Will spray based served it’s best? One more thing to ask. What if, we’re not the only one that uses pheromones in…say…the same room? They’re other guys using it also. Wouldn’t that be a chaos? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2008, 12:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-indonesia/23848/5 "2008-12-11T12:03:10Z")
No problem Here is the link to CTTM [PRE-RELEASE Come Talk To Me (Mix 2) :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct/SmartMones](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/) Its in pre release which means its already been tested extensively. To use your GC which I sent to your email box just pick out your products in the store. Make sure you login first. Then when you get to the payment page there will be choices on how to pay. Use your points first. You get 500 for signing up to the smartmones website. Hit pay and it will deduct it from the total. Then click on Gift Certificate. Put your code in and hit pay and it will deduct it from the total. Then pay the rest by whatever means you have chosen. No you dont have to avoid A314 because of the anone content. Its low in anone. However when your shy it can be harder to use since it can come on a bit intimidating. You need to be congruent with it. You need to approach or give cues so other fell comfortable approaching you. I would say wait on this one till you get going. IG on the other hand brings respect, authority and more sophistication as well as attraction. This would be a better choice for you then A314. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Feel\_Good](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.feel_good/32/1148_2.png) [@Mr.Feel\_Good](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Feel_Good)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2008, 12:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-indonesia/23848/6 "2008-12-11T12:03:28Z")
Oooh, lots of questions, i see. Well, let’s take them one at a time. First, your gift certificate was sent to the email address you registered to the forums with. It will have a long code of numbers and letters. When you have shopped around the Smartmones store and want to pay for your items, go to the checkout, then click continue. You do NOT enter the GC code in the area that says “coupon.” When it asks you how you want to pay, there should be an option that says gift certificate. Click that option and enter in the GC code, and it’ll be deducted from your total payment. The link to CTTM is here: [Come Talk To Me (CTTM) – Personal Connection Pheromone - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/) As far as Asian girls go, you should be sparing in any product with -none in it, since asians naturally produce less -none and asian women arent used to as much of it. As far as the same room scenario… that’s the case any time you are in the same room as a guy. Everyone gives off natural pheromones, which are always competing with each other for people’s attention. That’s why [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) give you an edge… they increase the amount of pheromones you are giving off, so that you will overcome the other guys’ pheromones in the room. So if you both had pheromone products (assuming they were the same pheromones and same number of sprays), you would be back to natural pheromone strength. I believe thats all… Tisha, feel free to correct me if i got any of that wrong. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2008, 12:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-indonesia/23848/7 "2008-12-11T12:22:15Z")
> [@](#): > > I believe thats all… Tisha, feel free to correct me if i got any of that wrong. Sure no problem 😃 The only products you need to use sparingly or start slowly with are TUTH and [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/). The other anone products are buffered and you should be fine with them. Always start slow with any anone product though as to get a good feel for your dosage. If everyone in the room is using synthetic mones, which is highly unlikely, you will have to use your charm to gain attention. The one advantage you will have is that you use Androtic mones which in my opinion are superior to other brands. Mones are still not main stream so I dont think you need to worry about it. By the time they do become mainstream you will already have the advantage of knowing how to use them correctly and most effectively. 😉 You mentioned oils, Yes oils diffuse slow and long as opposed to the fast hard hitting sprays. Its harder to pick up on hits using oils but they do have there merits in hot climates. You can slow the diffusion of the alcohol based product by applying a little lotion over it if diffusion is to fast for you. I suggest you test them out good first though. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2008, 1:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-indonesia/23848/8 "2008-12-11T13:31:30Z")
Hello Wawan and welcome to the forum. It looks like Tisha and Mr. FG have given you a pretty good breakdown on what will probably be the best products for plus some hints about usage. And I agree with Tisha on going for [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) instead of A314. Tisha is right about the same room scenario. It would be interesting to see what happens if you and a friend are both using different pheros at the same time. But even if you were the only one using pheros you would still need to use your social skills to meet and hold the attention of the ladies. The pheros make it a little easier but it is still really up to you. Good luck and let us know what you decide to do. ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2008, 4:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-indonesia/23848/9 "2008-12-11T16:14:50Z")
Hi wawan, Welcome to the forum. Your English is excellent. You need IO. It can make girls want to talk to you. It is an ice breakers to open up girls. It will be easier for you to social with girls. IH on the other hand will make the conversation more meaningful and personal. They will feel like been knowing you for long time. It will strenthen the bond between you and the girls. IFM is another good [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/). It can make girls calm, comfortable by you side. They will hesitate to leave your side. Good luck ---
**Author:** ![WaOnE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/49beb7/32.png) [@WaOnE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WaOnE)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2008, 1:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-indonesia/23848/10 "2008-12-13T01:31:34Z")
Wow, fellas, thanks for the replies. As I’ve read through the ups and downs for several [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/), I’m currently planning this: 1. At work/daily : CTTM2 Expectations : easier ice breaking and hope to hold other people long enough to talk about anything (will this effect men also?) 2. At serious business meetings : IG Expectations : gain higher respect as a significant men and women in my office are much more older than me (in fact I’m the youngest among them) during crucial business meetings. What’s my problem will be on taking cues during those meetings. We Asians gives significant respect to the older people even sometimes oh no… often their ideas just don’t work. I need extra confidence on taking out my ideas during these kind of meetings 3. Clubs/Bars/Parties 2 scenarios with this : a. Going alone : IFM + TUTH (smallest dose) Expectations : naughty, naughty, naughty…😃 What do you guys think about my plan? Any suggestions will be very much appreciated. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-indonesia/23848/11 "2008-12-13T02:32:55Z")
IFM only affect a small percentage of men. I use it regularly without any depression on my side and the men around me. Not a big concern. For TUTH, you need to experiment it yourself. Start with 1 spray for a few days and observe the effect. Observe the reaction, body language and respond from girls. The try 2 sprays and do the same until you know the right number of spray for you. I recommend you try each of the phero one at a time to understand the effect and the right number of spray before you go for mixing. Have fun ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2008, 10:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-indonesia/23848/12 "2008-12-13T10:20:29Z")
Your Plan looks good, IFM can effect some men, giving them a down feeling but its not real common. Its just something to be aware of. You should wear it to the back of your neck till you know how you will react to it. You will be inhaling it for longer periods of time then your friends so mostly it effects the user. You can always counteract it with Ishine. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![WaOnE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/49beb7/32.png) [@WaOnE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WaOnE)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2008, 1:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-indonesia/23848/13 "2008-12-14T13:31:08Z")
Ok guys, thanks for the suggestions. I’ve made up my mind which should be CTTM Mix 2, IFM, IG, IS & TUTH 😃. Btw, I found problem while signing with smartmones. It always failed with the error message : “Phone number must be 10 digits”. Problem is, my landline and mobile number both more than 10 digits (with or without country code). I wonder how can I solve this. Any idea? Should I just simply enter “whatever” number? 😕