# Hi, from London, UK **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [October 28, 2007, 1:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-london-uk/6268 "2007-10-28T01:45:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ajhill80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/57b2e6/32.png) [@ajhill80](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ajhill80)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2007, 1:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-london-uk/6268/1 "2007-10-28T01:45:00Z")
Hi, I’m AJ, male, 25, london. I used phero (love scent) many (7) years ago and was amazed with the results but my bottle broke and I couldn’t afford any more at that time. Anyway, the last few years, I have lost loads of confidence due to a various medical problems and the work being soul destroying (family business), and I need a kick start to kinda get things back on track again. I’ve missed out on life for the last few years and relationships have been really hard to create even though I have plenty going for me, in terms of personality, education, wealth, kindness, future prospects but not majorly blessed in the looks department if I’m totally honest. :o . Breaking the ice has been hard for me for a long time (since I stopped using drinks and drugs), so I need a bit of help and then i’m sure i’ll be good to go. My confidence is starting to return bit by bit but I know I could use some extra help. I also wanted a bit of phero help with a girl I know who i’d like to get to know better. When we meet, we get on like a house on fire and talk like we’ve just starting dating (nervous but excited) but when I call her she hardly answers my calls and very rarely replies to my txts (SMS). I just wanted to find out why the cageyness (i.e what the truth is). But it’s hard to broach the subject when we do meet, becuase i don’t want to ruin anything before we’ve had the chance to start because we’re not officially seeing each other yet. I don’t want to come on too strong, as I like her a lot. And she is way out of my league (attractiveness wise). There is also another a girl who i work with who is absolutely gorgeous and i’d definitely want to get to know her better but i’m in a different department to her and hardly ever get the opportunity to speak to her. Definately hard to break the ice because everyone stares if you talk to someone who you don’t usually talk to. It’s a small office and everyone knows everyone elses business. Also I started a new job (3 weeks ago) and my boss is loving me and has given me huge responsibilities even though this is my first real job (he’s my dad’s business partner). But gave me the responsibility because I was honest with him about where his company was going wrong (which most people @ his company don’t do becuase he’s a really strong character). Unfortunately many of the people there have worked there for 10 years plus and that has caused some of the other employees to not be that warm to me and i’m not always included in the office banter which is not something i’m used to. In the future I know i’ll probably end up running my family businesses but I want to improve my people skills now and want people to see me for what I really am; a nice guy who is similar to them, rather than the bosses pet which is what I have ended up looking like. But I want to prove myself to my boss but also to myself and others. I’m happy to earn respect over the long term but when people have the wrong idea about you to begin with it’s hard to win them over. Anyway that’s why i’m here on the Phero board and hopefully you guys will advise me on what the best course of action is Phero wise. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2007, 4:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-london-uk/6268/2 "2007-10-28T16:02:19Z")
Tater recommends A314, which will make you feel better and more confident, plus get you some respect from those you work with, and EST which will generate some bonding effect all around. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2007, 4:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-london-uk/6268/3 "2007-10-28T16:54:57Z")
Hello Welcome to the forum 🙂 I also think you would benefit from A314. Its a great product for work and you can use it socially as well. EST is advanced so you will have to wait on that one but I think the socials like IO, IH and Shine would help with getting to know that gorgeous girl you interested in. It will help you both open up more. I also suggest looking into AMMO its a good all round product and has a sexy edge. Read the stickies in the mens section so you can get a good idea as to what you want to try. Remember Androtics has to-go products so you can test things out. If you have any questions just ask Tisha ---
**Author:** ![ajhill80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/57b2e6/32.png) [@ajhill80](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ajhill80)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2007, 7:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-london-uk/6268/4 "2007-10-28T19:01:22Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Hello Welcome to the forum 🙂 > > I also think you would benefit from A314. Its a great product for work and you can use it socially as well. EST is advanced so you will have to wait on that one but I think the socials like Instant Openness, Instant Honesty and Shine would help with getting to know that gorgeous girl you interested in. It will help you both open up more. > > I also suggest looking into AMMO its a good all round product and has a sexy edge. > > Read the stickies in the mens section so you can get a good idea as to what you want to try. Remember Androtics has to-go products so you can test things out. > > If you have any questions just ask > > Tisha Thanks. From looking at the site briefly I have liked the look of A314 for work and general use, Ammunition for nights out, female magic for nights out, and gentleman for work and nights out. But i’m not sure what the major differences are between honesty and openness in terms of where and who to use them around. I’d use them on men in business to try and get the best deal when I source things for my company and women in social, sexual and work engagements. I know they all affect people around you, but do they also affect the the wearer directly, (I know indirectly they do, via the feedback loop). Is there any other product I should be considering. I’d like to win women over at work because frankly i’m not that good at it. I find women much harder to converse with because they tend not to warm to me as much as men my age do. I’m often lost for words with an attractive woman, and this usually makes them quiet around me also. All help much appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2007, 7:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-london-uk/6268/5 "2007-10-28T19:05:17Z")
Hi & Welcome ajhill! You’ve already received great advice, I think in addition to A314 the social products Tisha mentioned are a great idea too. Instant openness or instant honesty are a great help when working on social skills. Instant openness also gives off a comfy and happy feel good affect for me, an absolute favorite. Instant openness is more fun, can be crazy happy chatty. Instant honesty is more mellow, conversation is deeper and feels as if it strengthens connection. You can read descriptions of each in the mens section sticky titled Basic Noob Phero Bootcamp. And yes they can affect you while wearing them, it is recommended to spray them to the back of the neck if you are very reactive at first. Enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![ajhill80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/57b2e6/32.png) [@ajhill80](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ajhill80)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2007, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-london-uk/6268/6 "2007-10-28T20:13:17Z")
thanks for help guys. I think i’ve decided on A314 - large size (because they’re isn’t a portable size) and portable sizes for the following shine ammo female magic openness honesty How long do portable sizes last for and also is there any reason why i shouldn’t wear cologne with any of the above mentioned pheros. Thanks once again. ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 2:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-london-uk/6268/7 "2007-10-29T02:50:22Z")
> [@ajhill80](#): > > thanks for help guys. > > I think i’ve decided on A314 - large size (because they’re isn’t a portable size) > and portable sizes for the following > shine > ammo > female magic > openness > honesty > > How long do portable sizes last for and also is there any reason why i shouldn’t wear cologne with any of the above mentioned pheros. > > Thanks once again. Hi AJ, The to goes will last for about 40 sprays. The spray amount is smaller than a full size bottle so you may end up using more sprays per use. They are still great for testing and should last long enough to get a good feel for them if you’re using 1-3 sprays per use. Cologne is ok to use with them. Ammo has a cologne scent added, the others from the instant line are a light neroli that smells clean. The women here apply their [pheromones](https://a314.com/), let them dry down a bit and then apply perfumes to cover. Instant female magic I have read is stinky, so you’ll definitely need to experiment covering that one. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 3:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-london-uk/6268/8 "2007-10-29T03:04:33Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > EST is advanced so you will have to wait on that one Tishas right about the EST. Sorry Tater wasnt thinking. Getting a complete set of togos is a very good idea though. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 3:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-london-uk/6268/9 "2007-10-29T03:34:39Z")
It sounds to me someone has done some solid research. Well done. Although our awesome Tater meant well, at the same time he was posting our beloved Jasmin extraordinaire was banning all new users from buying advanced products. Why? I’ll tell you why: It’s not that we are greedy here at Androtics, it’s actually the exact opposite. We sell most of our advanced products well below the price they should be sold at. We just don’t make any profits on them and some we actually lose money on. Yeah we are kind of glutens for punishment you might say, but the truth lies in our need for research and development. Androtics IMHO sells some of the finest quality retail products in the industry if not the best. We built those from research and feedback from users just like you. So where as one day you might get a bottle of MX??? or P?? in your order one day for free it will be sort of a test for both you and Androtics. To even get to that level you first must qualify by posting about your experiences with the retail line. Then when that little sample bottle shows up and you start posting about the mystery product you will soon become a trusted member and thus available to help us in developing other products. Too many new users have spent money, not enough money at that, and then have just disappeared with some very expensive molecules without nary a word. I hope to hear lots of reports from you. To help get you started I am sending your GC to your email inbox NOW! ---
**Author:** ![ajhill80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/57b2e6/32.png) [@ajhill80](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ajhill80)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 6:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-london-uk/6268/10 "2007-10-29T18:42:36Z")
> [@steveo](#): > > It sounds to me someone has done some solid research. Well done. > > Although our awesome Tater meant well, at the same time he was posting our beloved Jasmin extraordinaire was banning all new users from buying advanced products. > > Why? I’ll tell you why: It’s not that we are greedy here at Androtics, it’s actually the exact opposite. We sell most of our advanced products well below the price they should be sold at. We just don’t make any profits on them and some we actually lose money on. Yeah we are kind of glutens for punishment you might say, but the truth lies in our need for research and development. > > Androtics IMHO sells some of the finest quality retail products in the industry if not the best. We built those from research and feedback from users just like you. So where as one day you might get a bottle of MX??? or P?? in your order one day for free it will be sort of a test for both you and Androtics. To even get to that level you first must qualify by posting about your experiences with the retail line. > > Then when that little sample bottle shows up and you start posting about the mystery product you will soon become a trusted member and thus available to help us in developing other products. > > Too many new users have spent money, not enough money at that, and then have just disappeared with some very expensive molecules without nary a word. I hope to hear lots of reports from you. > > To help get you started I am sending your GC to your email inbox NOW! thanks a lot for all the help everyone. I’ll defo report on the effects once I start using the phero’s. And i’ll use my GC when I order today. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 11:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-london-uk/6268/11 "2007-10-29T23:06:22Z")
welcome AJ. a few thoughts you’ve received some v good advice on the phero front. read ‘influence’ by cialdini - a very readable introduction to some of the quirks people exhibit when you watch what they do rather than what they say. take a look at [TheLSS.com - The London Seduction Society](http://www.thelss.com) (say I sent you on the signup email). it’s a bit fractious, and there are lots of young guys there… but there is also some good advice. you might also take a look at [Fast Seduction 101: Art of Pick-up and Seduction](http://www.fastseduction.com) - read some of the archives. if you have the money spare david deangelo has a good monthly interview series with dating gurus… do a search for ‘phone game pua’ and ‘sms game pua’ on google and thelss. choose to think about the world differently. if you have the frame when talking to a girl that you think she is cute and has something attractive about her and you want to know her better to see if she is worthy of you then your life will be better than thinking about whether you can win her affection. google ‘swingcat prizing’ or ‘prizability’ looks don’t matter v much, but what you do with them does lots… work on dress sense, physique, hairstyle, body awareness. when you grow people that know you will resist the changes (though pheros may help here). so better find a new ‘tribe’ you can spend time in whilst developing your emerging confident self. whether thats evening classes, a new social circle, a new gym or something else. anyway - wish you lots of luck on your exciting new journey. ---
**Author:** ![ajhill80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/57b2e6/32.png) [@ajhill80](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ajhill80)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 10:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-london-uk/6268/12 "2007-11-08T22:23:21Z")
Hi gys. i haven’t actually used any of the pheros yet, due to there not being a suitable place to use them thus far, and as such haven’t done any field reports. But rest assured I will. Just a quick question; say you are definately going to have sex with someone; a home banker, as it were. Would turn up the heat make the person more ravenous during sex or would it just make them want sex to begin quicker. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 10:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hi-from-london-uk/6268/13 "2007-11-08T22:48:04Z")
Both! I think it’s a much better idea to post this question in the mens forum under a new thread. You’ll get MUCH better response