# high fat, low-carb.. when men were men and women women **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [March 18, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186 "2009-03-18T17:47:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186/21 "2009-04-14T22:58:50Z")
> [@xev](#): > > FYI > > Larger or heavier or fatter does not always = “curvier” > > I am “curviest” when I am near the low end of the standard healthy weight range for my height (am in the middle of it right now). Which wouldn’t be quite as small as a size zero, but almost. If by curvy you mean at the maximal hip to waist ratio that my body can achieve short of plastic surgery. > > Extra weight goes around my midsection. Very very unhealthy, and not too attractive. Mine tends to go to my thighs and arms lol kind of annoying. The hip span even when i was rail thin from chemo never changed.I realized at that point i did NOT like having a bony ass. Some women because of our general bone structure are going to be curvy no matter what so the whole uber skinny no curves thing can be devastating if a woman or young girl gets obsessed with a certain look. However, we all put on weight and loose weight differently. So yes some girls are more curvy with a little padding and some are more curvy with less nothing wrong with that. _The most important thing either way. Is that we’re happy with ourselves._ Weight is an overrated and misconstrued number. Your weight does not give you an idea of how much muscle mass you have vs fat.BMI isn’t that great if you’re not a standard build either for me if I’m within my generalized medical ideal weight range I simply look odd. I have a bit of baby belly left and some days you know the ones you wake up and just feel meh in general I look at it like GO AWAY! lol I like tummies in general though my gf has a bit of tummy going on but shes still super adorable not to mention super cuddleable. I think we tend to be more critical of ourselves though. Curvy varies. Depends on a womans body shape but the thing here I believe is simply having the general breast and hip rounds associated with being female not having an itty bitty waist. 🙂 Although I think the discussion was originally about the current trend in the media to go for more masculine looking women in terms of fashion as opposed to women in media and pop culture of a few decades ago. Were we here about the hip to waist ratio. Then it really would be about corseting sorry for my random derailment. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186/22 "2009-04-15T02:27:51Z")
> [@xev](#): > > FYI > > Larger or heavier or fatter does not always = “curvier” > > I am “curviest” when I am near the low end of the standard healthy weight range for my height (am in the middle of it right now). Which wouldn’t be quite as small as a size zero, but almost. If by curvy you mean at the maximal hip to waist ratio that my body can achieve short of plastic surgery. > > Extra weight goes around my midsection. Very very unhealthy, and not too attractive. Size Zero … Hmmm… Skinny little runway rats that starve themselves to be size zero keel over dead. Several every year. There’s a disease associated with that… er ah… ooohyahhh, anorexia… But if you’re under 5’3", size zero starts to look pretty good. Homegirl Eva Longoriea Parker from Corpus Christi is a 1/4" over 5’ tall and a size zero. [http://www.allure.com/images/magazine/2008/10/masl12\_longoria.jpg](http://www.allure.com/images/magazine/2008/10/masl12_longoria.jpg) Here as Mr and Mrs Parker [http://www.allure.com/images/magazine/2008/10/masl11\_longoria.jpg](http://www.allure.com/images/magazine/2008/10/masl11_longoria.jpg) She is an alumni of my alma mater Texas A&M. I understand she has excellent gun handling skills. [http://www.imnotobsessed.com/files/legacy/2008/01/22055\_celebutopia-eva\_longoria\_arrives\_at\_the\_0the\_late\_show\_with\_david\_letterman-02\_122\_853lo.jpg](http://www.imnotobsessed.com/files/legacy/2008/01/22055_celebutopia-eva_longoria_arrives_at_the_0the_late_show_with_david_letterman-02_122_853lo.jpg) If you can wear heels like that, with the hippy hippy shake that comes from them, who needs a waistline? Xev, I have always found you to be very attractive. I’m willing to take skill with stilletos on faith. But can you handle a gun? OoooYahhhhh ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186/23 "2009-04-15T02:32:50Z")
> [@OoohYahhh](#): > > Xev, I have always found you to be very attractive. I’m willing to take skill with stilletos on faith. But can you handle a gun? > > OoooYahhhhh LOL! The gun I can handle. The stilletos? I wouldn’t waste much faith on that if I were you.🙄 ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 4:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186/24 "2009-04-15T04:06:19Z")
LOL I go to Longoria’s college, I am from Corpus Christi, and Yes I have met her many times., She is nice, but hounded way too much… I really do not see what everyone loves… she is sooo short ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 5:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186/25 "2009-04-16T05:09:19Z")
> [@Butterfly](#): > > … > I used to have hormonal issues and irregular periods aswell as insulin resistance, but eating butter, liver, eggs and bacon, reducing carbs and exercise cleared those things up completely. My period is like clockwork now, and painless, my bum is rounder though I lost weight, my waist is slimmer, I went down two band sizes and up two cup sizes in the bra, so it is safe to say that I have a completely diffferent body. > > However, I would still say that this happened for me inside the context of a natural and traditional lifestyle, and it is the whole lifestyle that did this rather than simply low carb high fat. I feel stress, taking the pill, chemicals in cosmetics, artificial sugar and the soy/vegetarian lifestyle are just as much contributing to people losing their femininity and masculinity. Those things were introduced and popularised in pretty much the same time period. > [@ElectraComplex](#): > > … > _The most important thing either way. Is that we’re happy with ourselves._ > … > Although I think the discussion was originally about the current trend in the media to go for more masculine looking women in terms of fashion as opposed to women in media and pop culture of a few decades ago. > > Were we here about the hip to waist ratio. > Then it really would be about corseting sorry for my random derailment. 🙂 Well actually this started out as a food thread. The composition of diet on hormonal balance as it effects physical growth, especially bone structure. PheroQuirk was, I’m sure, looking for a quiet little scientific disscusion. Butterfly, bless her heart, tried to stay with the subject, talking about butter, liver, eggs, and bacon. But after Bella showed up, there were stark naked people everywhere. I’m just sayin’… Being the prude that I am, I immeadiatly tried to throw up links where people were at least wearing lingere. So in the interest of modesty, I’m going to post the results of some of my recent research. This is from one of our earlier links, ThePinupFiles. The artist is Micheal Calandra who was a student of Frank Frazetta. I think the model is his wife. Who needs heels anyway? [http://www.thepinupfiles.com/images/KBS-CALANDRA-kellycorset-LG.jpg](http://www.thepinupfiles.com/images/KBS-CALANDRA-kellycorset-LG.jpg) This next is a now and then of dark mysterious beauties. Katherine Zeta Jones and Sophia Loren. Damn! It won’t let me right click. OK well here’s the link [Corset Fan - Site devoted to the Corsets, story, movies, gallery, shopping, links, forum](http://www.corset-fan.com/index-en.html) Beautiful place. Found a better place. [Fanny Hill : History of erotica](http://www.fanny-hill.net/) Here’s Sophia. [http://www.fanny-hill.net/pictures/corsetry/loren-50s.jpg](http://www.fanny-hill.net/pictures/corsetry/loren-50s.jpg) I could go on. I love a good research subject. All in the name of science, mind you. OoohYahhh ---
**Author:** ![Butterfly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/butterfly/32/1942_2.png) [@Butterfly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Butterfly)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186/26 "2009-04-16T16:59:56Z")
Girls who look curvy when thin, but gain in the waist tend to have masculine fat distribution over a feminine frame. Similarly, one can have a straight frame and feminine fat distribution. Most healthy is for both to be feminine but it is also good evolution-wise for some women to be specialised for times of lack or plenty. Also, cold climates tend to ask for a bit of padding all over. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186/27 "2009-04-16T17:27:20Z")
Dita Von Teese… Burlesque Queen/Stripper. I ain’t linkin’ it. Y’all know how to YouTube. Go…you can thank me later. 😃 😉 Bella What?! Mushroom Man said it’s…_research._ ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186/28 "2009-04-16T19:11:10Z")
One thing most people don’t realize is that Marlyn Monroe [http://www.bartcop.com/marilyn-monroe001.jpg](http://www.bartcop.com/marilyn-monroe001.jpg) And Twggy > **[Typepad | Network Solutions](https://www.networksolutions.com/typepad?siteID=100&channelID=P99C100S653N0B5A1D0E0000V111)** Had the _exact same_ Hip to Waist Ratio. Considered one of the main signs of beauty. The only difference is the different numbers based on the then current tastes. ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186/29 "2009-04-17T00:42:54Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > Dita Von Teese… Burlesque Queen/Stripper. I ain’t linkin’ it. Y’all know how to YouTube. Go…you can thank me later. 😃 😉 > > Bella > > What?! Mushroom Man said it’s…_research._ Thank you? Bella, how can I ever thank you for showing me my life’s calling? I have become an erotic search engine. And it is all, OK, well, mostly because of you. The other billion and a half women on the planet probably had a little something to do with it. I did find Ms Z Jones in corset (from the Zorro movie) but I was much more smitten with this one. Although I have to admit that even as beautiful as she is, a little padding in the right places could make her even more attractive. [Photos catherine zeta jones - Charme du jour - une photo sexy chaque jour](http://www.charme-du-jour.net/tag/catherine-zeta-jones) [http://www.charme-du-jour.net/var/img/full/catherine-zeta-jones-dos-nu.jpg](http://www.charme-du-jour.net/var/img/full/catherine-zeta-jones-dos-nu.jpg) Dita? C’mon Bella, surely you can be a little more challengeing. Her site [Dita Von Teese - Website Main Page](http://www.dita.net/top.php) is a link from ThePinupFilles we linked to earlier. Her most recent work is this magazine cover from 3/21/09. `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=558&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1239923809` [http://www.corsetheaven.com/corsets/images/t-ditafree-007.jpg](http://www.ditasdomain.com/referin.php3?uid=825) [http://www.corsetheaven.com/corsets/images/ditafree-052.jpg](http://www.corsetheaven.com/corsets/images/ditafree-052.jpg) Of course we could never forget the late great Bettie Page whose sense of style still reverberates today. [http://imagecache.allposters.com/images/pic/LPG/51502~Don-t-Tread-On-Me-Posters.jpg](http://imagecache.allposters.com/images/pic/LPG/51502~Don-t-Tread-On-Me-Posters.jpg) This is a work by Olvia De Barardinis. [RETRO PICS](http://www9.kinghost.com/fetish/epoque/retropics.htm) has tons of original Bettie Page pics and lots more vintage erotica. Eventually feminine beauty becomes more common and artistic creativity becomes more mildly entertaining. But then … Eventually, there is always the one, the one that stops you in your tracks, the one that takes your breath away… Heat Seeker By Olivia De Barardinis [http://www.thepinupfiles.com/images/ob069-NEW.jpg](http://www.thepinupfiles.com/images/ob069-NEW.jpg) Art, Beauty, and 100% Woman This one is going to find a place in my home. OooohYahhhh ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186/30 "2009-05-06T21:52:50Z")
Excuse me while I go take a cold shower… Anyway, before I go I wanted to mention one tidbit. I recall Playboy Magazine many many years ago did an article on “ideal” physical woman profile (hips, butt, boobs, etc). One thing that I remember from it was that I found my own preferences did not agree with the “ideals” reported by whomever they interviewed. (I presume it was “typical Playboy male readers.”) Or in short: beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Physical and mental/spiritual. . ---
**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 11:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186/31 "2009-05-06T23:39:27Z")
Advances and knowledge in medicine. Look back at the art and pictures dating back centuries ago. Women and men were significantly “larger” than we are today. It was a sign of wealth and opulence. Today, being “overweight” means lack of self control instead of what is natural. Medicine found that it was not the healthiest thing to be obese. Fact. Obese and curvy are not the same thing. Also think about what makes more money? Weight loss programs, women’s magazines, diets, books, gym memberships, etc. ALL those things related to WEIGHT LOSS makes more money that all those people just eating their normal diets. Those societal standards of what “everyone” thinks is pretty is a means of getting people to change themselves. Change requires money and effort. That makes more money than you eating a REGULAR diet. Cost of a healthy well balanced meal is probably under 10 bucks across the nation. Magazine, diets, programs, gym, etc, much more. For me, I’m an extremely skinny person. It’s just how my body is built. I have the opposite problem as I look like a skeleton more often than anything else. Trying to gain weight tends to send the mass in parts that well, don’t need it and parts where I’d like to get mass so I don’t look like I’m starving to death… well… my body doesn’t seem to conform to what I want or wish it to. I find that it’s just better to go for women who are comfortable with how they look. It starts to get annoying when how a women looks becomes their life. I do prefer someone who isn’t like a twig though… just doesn’t feel right. haha. ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 6:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186/32 "2009-05-07T06:50:29Z")
> [@zeph](#): > > … > Medicine found that it was not the healthiest thing to be obese. Fact. > Obese and curvy are not the same thing. > > Also think about what makes more money? Weight loss programs, women’s magazines, diets, books, gym memberships, etc. ALL those things related to WEIGHT LOSS makes more money that all those people just eating their normal diets. Those societal standards of what “everyone” thinks is pretty is a means of getting people to change themselves. Change requires money and effort. That makes more money than you eating a REGULAR diet. Cost of a healthy well balanced meal is probably under 10 bucks across the nation. Magazine, diets, programs, gym, etc, much more. > … For that to make money you first have to get obese people. Or is it get people obese? One very trick part of the puzzle is corn syrup. That’s right, corn syrup the sweetener that is in almost every food it seems. It has the interesting effect of actually createing more hunger when it is eaten. (Somebody help me out with a reference here) What a great way to make _more_ money. And a great way to make obese people. Duuuhhhhhhh! Sometimes I am so slow… No wonder I like this picture of Catherine Zeta Jones. Does this remind you of anybody? It wasn’t until I was posting in a thread with her the other day that I realized… this looks alot like River’s avatar. [http://www.charme-du-jour.net/var/img/full/catherine-zeta-jones-dos-nu.jpg](http://www.charme-du-jour.net/var/img/full/catherine-zeta-jones-dos-nu.jpg) [http://th01.deviantart.com/fs18/300W/f/2007/201/7/f/Lady\_of\_the\_lake\_by\_oloferla.jpg](http://th01.deviantart.com/fs18/300W/f/2007/201/7/f/Lady_of_the_lake_by_oloferla.jpg) I saw this original awhile back on one the art sites I go to. This is a version of The Lady of the Lake, Vivienne. It was her who gave King Arthur his sword Excaliber. She then later seduced Merlin into teaching her everything he knew. I bet our River would be up to it. OoohYahhh ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186/33 "2009-05-16T00:59:32Z")
> [@zeph](#): > > For me, I’m an extremely skinny person. It’s just how my body is built. I have the opposite problem as I look like a skeleton more often than anything else. Trying to gain weight tends to send the mass in parts that well, don’t need it and parts where I’d like to get mass so I don’t look like I’m starving to death… well… my body doesn’t seem to conform to what I want or wish it to. And as for me… I’m larger/more square. “Big boned” pretty much in truth. (My bone density scan a while back gave me a “Score” that said I am 13% MORE dense [bone-wise, wise guys] at an age over 50 than the “norms” based on 18 year olds. My body type is “endomorphic.” My arms and legs are shorter than they “should be” for the size of my torso. Means most dress shirt sleeve cuffs hit my knuckles and I pretty much always have to have my pants hemmed up because my inseam is shorter than any off-the rack cut. When I was with the USPS I had to have all my pants gusseted (wider butt) as the standard uniform cut was way too small. ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 4:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186/34 "2009-05-17T16:26:40Z")
A guy that I worked with was built very much like you describe. We called him ‘Stumpy’. He had one of the very few workplace romances that I know of that really worked out. Like they were made for each other. That was almost twenty years ago. Last I heard they were still living happily ever after. This is from Sebastian: [AsktheApproach Power Overdominations: How to Conquer Racism and Stereotypes](http://www.asktheapproach.com/archives/7) Via NBully: My experiences with the sense of smell: February 2007 Via Visionary: > [@How have YOU used mones to create a more attractive lifestyle ('to be a better man')?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/15): > > Using mones wisely for their social lubricant effects can lead one to reduce their alcohol (and other drug) intake. Now a little alcohol may be okay for health (say one glass of quality Resveratrol-rich red wine a day), but you would probably be using more than that if you are partying and chasing women at bars/clubs. Binge-drinking (along with recreational drug use) is definitely bad for your health so as tacitus said: “Tacitus Rule #4 Hard partying will accelerate the ageing process, so take … (I’m gonna change my name to IFollowLinks.) > [@](#): > > If you’re having problems with a negative stereotype about you, the > problem is that that stereotype is providing more information about > you than any other source. > I have clients of all races. Have had clients from every continent, > and very many countries. And I’ve noticed something time and time > again: Students who succeed have positive characteristics that > dominate your first impression of them. > Students who don’t are bland, which leaves people’s split second > judges of them to chance. > > Overdomination: > A characteristic is said to “dominate” another when it gets > factored before that characteristic. For instance, clothing > dominates race - what you’re wearing gets factored into how people > judge each other before your skin color. Put this way - if you see > a Brazilian guy in an Armani suit, you say - > “Rich Brazilian guy”, not “Brazilian rich guy”. > But the fact that he’s rich doesn’t make you forget that he’s a > Brazilian gentleman - so you’re going to factor in your past > experiences with people from Brazil when you size him up instantly. > So here’s the crux of it - if some characteristics about you aren’t > great for the area you’re in, or you don’t believe it works well > for you, you want to get other characteristics that dominate those > traits. Even if your stereotypical characteristics are advantageous > to you - tall, square-jawed Brazilian guy - you can still evolve > past that. If people’s SECOND impression of you is that you’re a > tall, square-jawed Brazilian, then you’re in really great shape. > > Now the real deal - what if you’re the “wrong” type for whatever > you want to do? What if you’re applying for a job in a racist > country, what if you’re shorter than everyone around you in a place > that values height, what if you don’t have the same “pedigree” that > is expected of someone to enter a certain social circle? > The key is - overdomination. > Traits that dominate get consideration first, and then other traits > are looked at. > Traits that OVERDOMINATE are traits that make you forget about the > other characteristics of the person. The other traits become > irrelevant in light of such a large, dominating trait. > > Power. > Power is a classical overdominating trait. If you see a very > powerful guy, it makes largely irrelevant what the rest of him is. > You see powerful men of all types. Even an ardent racist is going > to respect Samuel L. Jackson. > > Charisma. > Charisma is a classical overdominating trait. If you see a very > charismatic guy, it makes largely irrelevant what the rest of him > is. Even though he’s only 5′6, Tom Cruise absolutely glows. > In the last month, I’ve had a mix of very interesting clients. One > was a gentleman who was truly insightful - he’s a world traveller, > a scholar, enlightened and brilliant and charming. He’s got wild > stories of his travels through North America and the Orient, and he > talks with rapture about dangerous attempts of criminals to trying > to rob or extort him. He laughs at the time that he got scammed > twice in the same night, and laughs with a sense of dignity - he > learned the lesson, and the anecdote was worth the few dollars. > He’ll make more money, and if he doesn’t, money won’t be an issue. > A renaissance man, if you will, that is knowledgeable about history > and art but dresses in sharp, tailored high fashion. > Oh yeah, and he’s a medium-built Chinese-Canadian guy that’s > average height and with a so-so physique. > It’s the last thing you notice - when he’s on, he combines power > and charm, and they overdominate his other characteristics. If you > met him, you’d like him. > > I hear men worry about their height, race, nationality, accent, > age, and all sorts of other traits frequently. > I’ll tell you when you’re in trouble - when the first thing someone > notices about you is that you’re short, or that you’re young, or > that you’re a particular race. That happens to people who have no > characteristics more interesting than those traits. > Now, those traits will still stereotype you to people as a “second > impression” if you get some traits that dominate them. For > instance, looking “corporate” will get noticed before your > ethnicity. Your race will still be factored, but you’ll get all the > stereotypes about being corporate (doesn’t care about the > environment, really damn busy, resents poor people, is extremely > good in bed) before you get the ones about your race. > And if you really put yourself together extremely well, eventually > you come to stand for an idea, and an ideal. One of the most > successful clients I’ve ever had the blessing to teach was an > extremely successful professional who, without a college degree, > moved through various entrepreneurial endeavors and then worked his > way up the chain in the construction industry until he’s now making > piles of money. > He’s a short guy, with an unexceptional physique. His clothes > aren’t extremely high end, either - he usually wears Levi’s. But > he’s “got it” - characteristics that overdominate. > > Power. > Leadership. > Charm. > “Gets shit done”. OoohYahhh ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186/35 "2009-05-19T02:30:45Z")
> [@OoohYahhh](#): > > A guy that I worked with was built very much like you describe. We called him ‘Stumpy’. He had one of the very few workplace romances that I know of that really worked out. Like they were made for each other. That was almost twenty years ago. Last I heard they were still living happily ever after. However I’m also about 5’10" (down from 5’11" - I’m shrinking a bit) so not all that short, so I can probably not worry about being “stumpy.” 😛 And one of my fave ladies is about 5’2 and a size 0 (which means _small_) so next to her I’m tall. 🆒 (I’m not overweight, I’m undertall…) 😃 ---
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o.o I’m 5’2" tall guys scare me to death lol. I like guys about my height. If noses and toeses can touch without gymnastics I’m happy. Then again its really rare for me to be attracted to a typical male anyway. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-fat-low-carb-when-men-were-men-and-women-women/27186.md?page=1)