# Hmm....can IO and IH be overpowered? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 14, 2008, 6:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hmm-can-io-and-ih-be-overpowered/21347 "2008-10-14T06:05:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![wilks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f475e1/32.png) [@wilks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/wilks)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 6:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hmm-can-io-and-ih-be-overpowered/21347/1 "2008-10-14T06:05:27Z")
So I’ve been having some trouble seeing results of IO and IH. In the past, I was using them to start off, with TUTH underneath for later. I was noticing that TUTH was getting all the hits, but I wasn’t seeing anything with IO and IH. I went to a breast cancer dog walk Sunday with the ex, and I wore IO on the wrists, with IH on the neck, and P79 was on top of both. The EX who seemed very immune to the previous combo was pretty talkative and just pleasant to be around. personal specualation time: is it possible that the TUTH in small doses still easily overpowers other pheros in larger doses? I could see how a sex boosting phero would totally turn her off our situation, and I could see how TUTH was affecting the new girl and crowding out the IO and IH pheros. Would you experts agree or disagree? ---
**Author:** ![perronec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/perronec/32/1280_2.png) [@perronec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/perronec)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hmm-can-io-and-ih-be-overpowered/21347/2 "2008-10-14T07:21:49Z")
could you describe the hits you recieved which you believe only came from the turn up the heat you were wearing the first time? hits from [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) can be subtle. just describe the situation for us. info that would help us help you: amounts worn concentration of your products your race your age the race and age of the people you were around a list of the products you have so maybe we can tweak your mixes a little bit ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 11:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hmm-can-io-and-ih-be-overpowered/21347/3 "2008-10-14T11:08:19Z")
First off you should always test the products without the influence of another mix to see exactly what they do. Yes one mix can overpower another. You need to work to find balance when layering. Turn Up The Heat should be used in a 3 to 1 ratio 3 sprays of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) to 1 spray of TUTH. This is the general starting point, you may need to tweak to find whats perfect for you. There are some possiblities to consider. Personal Preference plays a roll. What turns one person on may not turn another on. Another thought is TUTH should be used around those who have a comfort level with you sexually or just a general comfort level with there own sexuality. Its very enviroment dependant. Using it in the wrong environment can cause discomfort. You may be having a diffusion problem with Instant Honesty and IO. You mention you were walking. Walking heats up the body and this could have aided in you diffusing better. Try them on parts of the body that produce and release the most heat. Chest or head. P79 will take any mix and intensify it. This also could be why she reacted to it as she did. All of the above re-enforces the importance of testing each one alone and not layer to much at first. Example when testing… Use one product at different dosages for a few days (record reactions and dosage info) Take that same product and use another product with it that you have already used on its own and tested. Try different ratios and record reactions. Then move up to layering more then 2 and so on . Be aware of the environment, the peoples reactions and general personality, your application methods, ect ect.. This tells you what the product does but more importantly why it does it. This way you can come up with combos for general purposes and attraction or cater it to one target person easier. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![wilks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f475e1/32.png) [@wilks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/wilks)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 3:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hmm-can-io-and-ih-be-overpowered/21347/4 "2008-10-15T03:47:46Z")
Thanks Tisha. It was hard not to rush into this coming out of a long term breakup. Also, only have 2 products on the first order made it tough to test it one product at a time. Now that I have 5 products, it makes the testing a bit more fun. ---
**Author:** ![ibelledthecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a698b9/32.png) [@ibelledthecat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ibelledthecat)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2008, 9:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hmm-can-io-and-ih-be-overpowered/21347/5 "2008-10-16T21:24:21Z")
if you want to see dramatic results from IO or IH , wear it in high doses and go to church … or a prison cell. their effects are subtle at best unless you use spaceland. ---
**Author:** ![wilks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f475e1/32.png) [@wilks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/wilks)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hmm-can-io-and-ih-be-overpowered/21347/6 "2008-10-17T02:59:20Z")
HOLY SMOKE! So I changed up the mix last night and went on a bar-date with this girl I’m seeing. In previous dates, she could not stop putting her hands on me. I had on about 3 sprays of TUTH scattered throughout my neck upper chest and face. So I changed things up a bit again. I put on 2 sprays of IO on the arms. 3 sprays of IH on my neck, hair. 1 small spray of TUTH on my chest, under the shirt. 2 sprays of P79. Last night, once her friend left, she was pretty talkative about her past. Things about her ex-hubby, her cosmetic surgery, her feelings towards me. She got a little amorous when she got close, but she definitely turned into a different monster throughout the night. One minute, she was very talkative and revealing. Then in the blink of an eye, I would say something, have it get completely twisted around as negative when it entered her ear, then she’d get offended and pissed off. Then a moment or two later, she’d swallow down what she was feeling and then act happy-go-lucky again. Then later on, I’d say something else and she’d go right back to crazy. I drove her back to her car, we start to say a makeout goodbye. She’d stop halfway through and get all upset again. She did the same thing over email today as far as thinking I’m being mean when I’m not. example: Her: hey, I’m sorry about last night…\ if you still want to hang out, I won’t get mad about what you’re feeling… Me: \ I would like to hang out again Her: What do you mean hang out? Are you saying you just want to be friends? WTF man? If that were the pheros, I wouldn’t think it would carry to email the next day. What goes through a girls head when she’s around IH? Does she want to talk about things she wouldn’t normally? Or does it make her feel things she can normally repress? ---
**Author:** ![ProtoJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@ProtoJay](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ProtoJay)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hmm-can-io-and-ih-be-overpowered/21347/7 "2008-10-17T14:34:37Z")
> [@wilks](#): > > HOLY SMOKE! > > So I changed up the mix last night and went on a bar-date with this girl I’m seeing. > > In previous dates, she could not stop putting her hands on me. I had on about 3 sprays of Turn Up The Heat scattered throughout my neck upper chest and face. > > So I changed things up a bit again. I put on 2 sprays of Instant Openness on the arms. 3 sprays of Instant Honesty on my neck, hair. 1 small spray of Turn Up The Heat on my chest, under the shirt. 2 sprays of P79. > > Last night, once her friend left, she was pretty talkative about her past. Things about her ex-hubby, her cosmetic surgery, her feelings towards me. She got a little amorous when she got close, but she definitely turned into a different monster throughout the night. One minute, she was very talkative and revealing. Then in the blink of an eye, I would say something, have it get completely twisted around as negative when it entered her ear, then she’d get offended and pissed off. Then a moment or two later, she’d swallow down what she was feeling and then act happy-go-lucky again. Then later on, I’d say something else and she’d go right back to crazy. I drove her back to her car, we start to say a makeout goodbye. She’d stop halfway through and get all upset again. > > She did the same thing over email today as far as thinking I’m being mean when I’m not. > example: > Her: hey, I’m sorry about last night…\ if you still want to hang out, I won’t get mad about what you’re feeling… > Me: \ I would like to hang out again > Her: What do you mean hang out? Are you saying you just want to be friends? > > WTF man? If that were the pheros, I wouldn’t think it would carry to email the next day. > > What goes through a girls head when she’s around Instant Honesty? Does she want to talk about things she wouldn’t normally? Or does it make her feel things she can normally repress? Basically, she likes you so shes being dramatic and complicated to see how you react… I dont really know what you should do, but I think maybe contiue using the [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)/IH mixes is what I would do, dont be too clingy but try and move things forward if you can… As to what to say to “you want to be just friends?”, a good response might be, “well maybe we should see where things lead to…”… As to overpowering, in my opinion, as long as the mixes are sprayed in areas which are not too close together, and they can diffuse well (I like to spray on skin and clothing together), they shouldnt overpower each other but rather should compliment each other… Another thing to think of is perhaps that particular female just responds better to -none, which I have found to be the case with sexually confident girls, particularly if they have high sex drives… Basically, timid girl + -none leads to her being timid, confident girl + -none leads to her making a move, all things being equal in terms of attraction and context… If your mix isnt working, feel free to experiment…