# Holy Heck, the SMELL! Industrial Grade Copulins R Strooong **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 17, 2007, 2:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572 "2007-09-17T02:26:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![snook\_assassin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snook_assassin/32/1107_2.png) [@snook\_assassin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snook_assassin)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2007, 8:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/41 "2007-09-21T20:31:24Z")
Movie Quote: Do you have any idea what that thing can do to you? It’ll suck the paint off your house and give your family a permanent orange afro. Spies Like Us, spoken by Dan Aykroyd about an ICBM, but I think it also applies to the toxic goods in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 10:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/42 "2007-09-29T22:34:17Z")
Holy Hell is right 😮 I just got mine and they smell 100 times worse then EOW. I actually gagged 😛 Damn this is gonna be so funnnnnnn!! Tisha ---
**Author:** ![May](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/may/32/1909_2.png) [@May](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/May)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 11:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/43 "2007-09-29T23:24:37Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Holy Hell is right 😮 I just got mine and they smell 100 times worse then EOW. I actually gagged 😛 Damn this is gonna be so funnnnnnn!! > > Tisha You gagged? And this is going to be fun?😕 I’m scairt… 😮😮 May 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/44 "2007-09-30T00:30:28Z")
I am a little scared of them to but I know once I get over that part I will have fun with them. Just got to figure them out first LOL. My 13 year old son was with me when I openned them and he took a sniff and said . “Yuck it smells like bad goat cheese and feet”. He’s convinced someone farted in the bottle. He had me laughing so hard I am lucky I didnt spill them. See I am having fun already. 😉 Hopefully once I mix them, I wont gag anymore. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/45 "2007-09-30T02:16:53Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > … I actually gagged 😛 Damn this is gonna be so funnnnnnn!! With quotes like that you won’t need cops to attract guys! ---
**Author:** ![jvkohl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jvkohl/32/1297_2.png) [@jvkohl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jvkohl)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 2:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/46 "2007-09-30T02:53:55Z")
> [@Carrie](#): > > I could’ve sworn this was sold in 50 mL quantities before, but now I only see 100 mL. That’s just crazy! Bruce hasn’t publicized much the fact that SoE/w contains the copulin formula used by Astrid Juette in her study that showed an increase of testosterone in men exposed to it. The forumula was not overpowering, but instead just a light scent one would expect to encounter with intimacy involving a woman. From the reports I’ve heard of other forumulas, the manufacturers used substances that when concentrated are almost assuredly going to have an odor similar to that of a woman who has some sort of infection/infestation “down there.” Come now, no woman smells like that, naturally. There’s actually a lab test where potassium hydroxide is added to vaginal fluid, which is almost fully diagnostic just by the smell of the chemical reaction “whiff test.” James V. Kohl The Scent of Eros ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 2:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/47 "2007-09-30T14:51:33Z")
I agree, the cops scent in Scent of Eros is very nice and true to life … unlike EW, which really does smell pretty much like bacterial vaginosis (I used to work in a gyn office and assisted with wet preps for the whiff test!) Now James, if only you would bottle some copulins for us using that nicer formula! ---
**Author:** ![May](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/may/32/1909_2.png) [@May](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/May)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 2:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/48 "2007-09-30T14:57:16Z")
Can I join in with the eyelash fluttering for the bottling of the nicer, less icky, cops? 😉 I don’t want to smell like infected genitals… ☹ Ewwwww May ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 4:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/49 "2007-09-30T16:22:21Z")
lol… infected genitals ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/50 "2007-09-30T17:02:28Z")
I got to tell ya I cant believe anyone would think a womens nether regions would smell like that. Gosh if they did believe no matter how hot you are men will take off running 😃 I have them locked up in a container and a zip lock baggie in my shed for now. You can still smell them when you open the door. My husband came in from mowing and told me He thought something got in the shed and died LOL. I am gonna leave them out there till I am I figure out how I want to use them. I am thinking 1 drop to 10 or 20 ml of scent. I only got a 10ml sample from a friend but I think they are so strong that they will last forever. LOL. I really like scent of eros. I can smell the cops in it though but its more of a pleasant scent like androtics cops. > [@](#): > > Now James, if only you would bottle some copulins for us using that nicer formula! I agree with carrie, I would line up for that and I bet alot of lady mone users would. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![HABIB001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/habib001/32/2159_2.png) [@HABIB001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HABIB001)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 5:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/51 "2007-09-30T17:19:40Z")
Tish All ou ladies buying this stuff now, like a conspiracy against mankind (MAN) Isnt what our doing banned under the Geneva Conventions… The proliferation of weapons of mass distraction. Penicide is a crime against humanity, (MEN)😉 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 5:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/52 "2007-09-30T17:43:14Z")
No I think just a few of us have the industrial stuff. So penicide should not be world wide. 😃 Although cops are in alot of womens products that androtics sells and they are so much better so who knows ? The site is getting popular 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 6:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/53 "2007-09-30T18:21:57Z")
> [@jvkohl](#): > > Bruce hasn’t publicized much the fact that Scent of Eros For Women contains the copulin formula used by Astrid Juette in her study that showed an increase of testosterone in men exposed to it. The forumula was not overpowering, but instead just a light scent one would expect to encounter with intimacy involving a woman. From the reports I’ve heard of other forumulas, the manufacturers used substances that when concentrated are almost assuredly going to have an odor similar to that of a woman who has some sort of infection/infestation “down there.” Come now, no woman smells like that, naturally. There’s actually a lab test where potassium hydroxide is added to vaginal fluid, which is almost fully diagnostic just by the smell of the chemical reaction “whiff test.” > > James V. Kohl > The Scent of Eros i think that is a HUGE mistake on Bruce’s part. Astrid Juette (way too busy to reply to a speck of dust like me,who has tried to reach her a few time ☹ ) was the reason 99.9% of women looked into copulin use _at all_. SoE was the first [pheromone formula](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) i have tried, next to primal for women. i dont think primal uses the same cop formula, it did nothing but create a pleasant anol cloud. i understood no sexual overtones. SoE seemed to create sexiness. i have very different experiences than alot of the members here. EW was strong, seemed to illicit reaction, but synthetic cops in that strength seemed to me to have no connection _with me_. wearing pheromones in super high strengths doesnt connect the scent with me personally in my experience. when someone has to move in close to get a pheromone signiture from me, i believe it registers as mine . thats where the connection comes in. if you fill a room with any scent, being overwhelming its hard to pinpoint the source, and many times we shut-off. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 9:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/54 "2007-09-30T21:49:18Z")
> [@](#): > > i have very different experiences than alot of the members here. > EW was strong, seemed to illicit reaction, but synthetic cops in that strength seemed to me to have no connection _with me_. > > wearing pheromones in super high strengths doesnt connect the scent with me personally in my experience. > when someone has to move in close to get a pheromone signiture from me, i believe it registers as mine . thats where the connection comes in. > > if you fill a room with any scent, being overwhelming its hard to pinpoint the source, and many times we shut-off. I have always agreed with your less is more theory when it comes to mones. I get better hits when I dont overdo it and when I dont mix to many different products. The only thing that theory didnt work well for with was EOW. With that I need alot. About 6 to 10 drops but only when I am home with hubby. He smokes and I think its harder for him to pick up mones and I was on the pill for a long time which effects a womens natural production of cops. I dont wear that much out. I will sometimes add a drop or 2 to my scents or just on myself before I apply mones but never more then that out in public. That much gives subtle mild hits and has nice self effects. Thats what makes the industrial stuff so hard to work with I think. I will probably need to dilute it a few times before I even add it to a bottle of scent. Plus while EOW smells sort of nasty in a fruity kind of way this stuff just dosnt smell like anyones crotch I ever caught wind of. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 11:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/55 "2007-09-30T23:33:15Z")
> [@](#): > > I will probably need to dilute it a few times before I even add it to a bottle of scent. Plus while EOW smells sort of nasty in a fruity kind of way this stuff just dosnt smell like anyones crotch I ever caught wind of. hahahahahahahahaha omg, i _died_ reading that. no lie sister, if i smelled like that stuff id go into hiding 😮 im afaid with stuff that strong the mate would get horny and be checking out whole the room 😃 . hard to pinpoint the source. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 11:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/56 "2007-09-30T23:33:50Z")
man i still cant rep you! 😠 ---
**Author:** ![jvkohl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jvkohl/32/1297_2.png) [@jvkohl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jvkohl)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 3:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/57 "2007-10-01T03:19:43Z")
> [@Carrie](#): > > I agree, the cops scent in Scent of Eros is very nice and true to life … unlike EW, which really does smell pretty much like bacterial vaginosis (I used to work in a gyn office and assisted with wet preps for the whiff test!) > > Now James, if only you would bottle some copulins for us using that nicer formula! Phil Stone is a remarkable chemist, and he made the copulin formula work by carefully adjusting the added fragrance while diluting the formula to a point where the mix reminded both me and Bruce of a T-shirt worn by a young fertile woman for 3 nights. That’s why Scent of Eros For Women is “true to life.” I’m also one of very few researchers who had the opportunity to smell the formulation Astrid used. So, first I knew what to shoot for when I first smelled it on the young fertile woman, and after Bruce smelled the preserved T-shirt, so did he. As I recall, it took more than a year, and many sample mixes before Phil, Bruce, and I agreed on the final mix. Bottling the copulins without fragrance will be a wasted effort, until someone can “best” Phil, which I don’t think is likely. Even though the natural copulin odor is very slight, most women who detect it will perceive it as an “off” odor; one that they are slightly familiar with–and don’t like. I have never experimented to determine whether lesbian women like it. However, we included androstenol in the mix because the vast majority of fragrance products (for any use) contain a musky component, and because there have been published reports that androstenol effects physiology in women. For some reason, Bruce wanted to include indole in the formula, but after a few conversations about keeping with the science, he was convinced not to alter Astrid’s formula, which she borrowed from early research on other primates. So, what you now have is something with a positive effect on women, that women will actually wear (rather than something that stinks), and it smells great to men when women wear it. because women smell younger and more fertile. It’s nice to hear that someone knows what I’m talking about (e.g., the wet preps and whiff test). Someday others may better realize that experience with natural odors, compared to those altered by too many of any specific micro-organism: gardnerella (was hemophillus), yeast, or trichomonas–even E.coli–can not be substituted with expertise in chemistry or perfumery, but having an expert chemist who has additional expertise in perfumery (i.e., Phil Stone) makes for a winning combination. As Phil has said: he brings the science back to the fragrance table. If you could simply throw a few chemicals together to get an effective product, everyone would be doing it. The fact that so many marketers keep trying to do it right, and continue to fail serves only to attest to their lack either of expertise or of knowledge. I didn’t start my research with the intent of making money, and had my coveted domain up and running (circa 1996) as a scientific resource for several years before I was convinced to develop a product. Now, everywhere you look someone is coming up with a product they say will work. The learning curve is long because the topic of human [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) is complex. Might be better to follow the science than follow the money-making schemes. James V. Kohl The Scent of Eros ---
**Author:** ![jvkohl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jvkohl/32/1297_2.png) [@jvkohl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jvkohl)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 3:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/58 "2007-10-01T03:50:42Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i think that is a HUGE mistake on Bruce’s part. I agree, but it could be a mistake made by merely comparing product cost. If EW costs ten cents to manufacture and Scent of Eros For Women costs ten dollars, most marketers are going to promote the dime store version, which generates more profit for them. > [@Lor](#): > > Astrid Juette (way too busy to reply to a speck of dust like me,who has tried to reach her a few time ☹ ) was the reason 99.9% of women looked into copulin use _at all_. After she reported her findings, she was approached by several marketers about product development, with associated patents. In 2000, I finally asked her why she had not come out with a product, and she told me that it was an ethical issue. She merely had adapted RP Michaels’ formula, and didn’t want to make any ridiculous claims about being the “original discover of human pheromones” like Winnifred Cutler has done, and other lesser known researcher/marketers. Then, Astrid started taking over a lot of work from the Ludwig Boltzmann Institute, and has all but dropped her interest in [pheromone research](https://pheromonelabs.com/), according to her professor, Karl Grammer–who I spoke with at a conference last April (and who also co-authored an award winning journal article with me and with two others from Vienna, in 2001). > [@Lor](#): > > Scent of Eros was the first pheromone formula i have tried, next to primal for women. i dont think primal uses the same cop formula, it did nothing but create a pleasant Alpha Androstenol cloud. i understood no sexual overtones. > > Scent of Eros seemed to create sexiness. I don’t think that anyone uses the same cop formula, and most people wouldn’t know where to look to find it, or what concentration to use to avoid smelling like a female monkey’s \_\_\_\_\_\_, which might be great if you want to attract a male monkey. Much easier to substitute rancid butter odor and other unspecified (smell the vinegar?) ingredients; call it cops; and make as much money as possible. > [@Lor](#): > > i have very different experiences than alot of the members here. > EW was strong, seemed to illicit reaction, but synthetic cops in that strength seemed to me to have no connection _with me_. > > wearing pheromones in super high strengths doesnt connect the scent with me personally in my experience. > when someone has to move in close to get a pheromone signiture from me, i believe it registers as mine . thats where the connection comes in. > > if you fill a room with any scent, being overwhelming its hard to pinpoint the source, and many times we shut-off. Same effect with high concentrations of any odor; not only does it become impersonal, it becomes aversive: a get out before I gag-type effect. The use of SoE For Women is just like any other fragrance product–enough to detect it when you slowly walk by, or when he slowly walks by you–and just enough to bring him closer a second time so he knows that you are sending the signal that attracted him. Congratulations for getting it right! The lack of comment on the other Forum attests either that few others have tried, or that they don’t want to report on its effectiveness to other women. James V. Kohl The Scent of Eros ---
**Author:** ![jvkohl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jvkohl/32/1297_2.png) [@jvkohl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jvkohl)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 4:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/59 "2007-10-01T04:14:02Z")
> [@May](#): > > Can I join in with the eyelash fluttering for the bottling of the nicer, less icky, cops? 😉 > > I don’t want to smell like infected genitals… ☹ > > Ewwwww > > May No one does, and few women do. But once a man has been with one whose genital odor is more pronounced due to the overgrowth of any of the approximate 40 different types of “normal” bacteria per woman, he will be more likely to recognize the difference if ever he encounters that odor again. Okay, I’m not asking for your pity, but can you imagine someone of my profession: clinical laboratory scientist (since 1974) and the amount of negative experience I’ve had with such odors? I shudder when I think of this, then smile because that experience led me to find what a naturally good smelling woman smells like–and that smell is not just from her genitals. Granted, the great smelling genitals are sufficient to get a man to go anywhere you want him to go (including down there), but some of the same components of that scent are present in your hair, on your breasts, on your breath–the scent comes from virtually every part of your body. So you can add a bit of the good stuff (i.e., the right copulin formula), and literally come off smelling like a rose (or something even more pleasant to most men: a pheromone-enhanced woman). James V. Kohl `http://www.pheromones.com` ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 4:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-heck-the-smell-industrial-grade-copulins-r-strooong/5572/60 "2007-10-01T04:40:52Z")
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