# Holy SH!T!!!!!!! You GOTTA read this!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 15, 2008, 11:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659 "2008-05-15T11:00:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![NormaJeanMarilyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/normajeanmarilyn/32/586_2.png) [@NormaJeanMarilyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NormaJeanMarilyn)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/21 "2008-05-16T00:11:13Z")
> [@ariadne](#): > > I just don’t think I would expect a pheromone called “Instant Sexiness” to help put a damper on “I can’t live without you” reactions. It’s certainly not something I would intentionally wear around someone I was trying to keep from turning on. I was going to respond, but I can see that you have a certain mindset and nothing I say is going to placate you. So I’ve decided not to respond to you anymore. Hope you can be an adult about it. ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 12:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/22 "2008-05-16T00:17:29Z")
> [@NormaJeanMarilyn](#): > > I was going to respond, but I can see that you have a certain mindset and nothing I say is going to placate you. So I’ve decided not to respond to you anymore. Hope you can be an adult about it. Um, I was just trying to discuss your reasoning, but uh… ok? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 12:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/23 "2008-05-16T00:36:38Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > While I agree that yes he probably is effected by pheromones as long as he is in the same room as her you cant compare humans to animals. Animals have a heighten sense of smell since there other senses are not as strong as humans. So while a dog can smell a squirrel from a good distance **humans rely on other senses as well as scent to interact.** > > In a closed room eventually it will effect anyone in the room > > In a larger club maybe a 10 ft radius because you got alot of other people in there all emitting pheromones as well. > > In a car whooo weee fast and hard. > > Outdoors 6 to 8 feet depending in climate. Tis so very true, but I’ve seen them work at least from 20 feet away, and it was so freaky, because the lady walked past me about 5 feet and made a b-line straight to me. Within 5 minutes (10 smoke break between classes) I knew she had a farm of corn and $20,000 in the bank without me asking about any of it. We as humans, if you asked me, have tha heighten sense of smell, but it is not as sharp as an animals. Still … I say there are things about -mones that we still haven’t figured out. NormaJ, hang in there … tis part of the territory, and if you’re attractive and/or smart and fun … people will always hate you. 😉 When one dresses in -mones, they have to be ready to deal with those that they are NOT attractive to as well. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/24 "2008-05-16T01:00:39Z")
> [@NormaJeanMarilyn](#): > > (did I mention that we’re back talking?) The more I venture in here, the more I realize I know nothing.. What is back talking, FMI? ---
**Author:** ![NormaJeanMarilyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/normajeanmarilyn/32/586_2.png) [@NormaJeanMarilyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NormaJeanMarilyn)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 1:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/25 "2008-05-16T01:51:53Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > The more I venture in here, the more I realize I know nothing.. > > What is back talking, FMI? We’re talking again. Sorry, I have a 10 year old. ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 2:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/26 "2008-05-16T02:33:21Z")
Mx134 would be my choice. There could be a problem with the switch, he apparently likes your softer signature so much more than your self described naturally alpha sexy signature mx134 will surely amplify. I think I’d choose the past attitude to being squashed by a Jabba though. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tealeaves](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tealeaves/32/1293_2.png) [@Tealeaves](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tealeaves)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 4:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/27 "2008-05-16T04:09:32Z")
> [@NormaJeanMarilyn](#): > > I was going to respond, but I can see that you have a certain mindset and nothing I say is going to placate you. So I’ve decided not to respond to you anymore. Hope you can be an adult about it. Let’s not jump to conclusions about other people jumping to conclusions. How you’re using pheros, and what you’re hoping to accomplish (apparently to “calm down” the usual attention you get) do seem to contradict each other. I’ve seen it mentioned on the forum several times that, while not all pheros are necessarily sexual, all pheros sold by (reputable) consumer sources cause some level of attraction. If anything, I’d imagine wearing overly-intimidating products like A314 would get rid the unwanted attention. If you just like the self effects of things like IS/B, you can spray where you’re able to huff, or dab on the upper lip. And of course, use whatever products you like when you’re alone with you man. It’s not all the guy’s fault he reacted that way. Sure, he should have exerted self control, but we as phero users need to take some responsibility as well. If he would have been attracted to you without pheromones, which he probably was if he got all touchy-feely like that, then take a care to tone down the sexuality. Pheromones shouldn’t be used as perfume; they were made with a specific purpose in mind. Wearing [sexual pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/sensual-pheromones/) in a situation during which no sexual response is expected or desired was an error on your part. You wouldn’t have gone to your client’s house in a skimpy black dress, right? It’s the same concept. We all make mistakes with pheromone use, but do not act so astonished that a beautiful woman ramped with attractive pheromones got an over-the-top “hit.” I’m sure Ariadne didn’t intend to come across as condescending, and for that matter, neither do I. You mention again and again how gorgeous most men find you, but you also seem to find it a burden much of the time. I don’t understand why you’d want to amp your attractiveness if this is truly the case. I personally wear pheromones because I have antisocial tendencies, and wish to appear more feminine despite choosing to wear boyish, figure-concealing clothes. Some ladies just want to spice up bedroom activities. Some have Target Guys, and some are overly shy and wish to go out and make friends. Help us to understand. What exactly do you hope to accomplish, and how do you feel pheromones will allow you to do this? Again, no offense is intended 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![NormaJeanMarilyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/normajeanmarilyn/32/586_2.png) [@NormaJeanMarilyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NormaJeanMarilyn)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 4:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/28 "2008-05-16T04:24:12Z")
As I said before, I was hoping to temper the reaction, to tone it down. I have done all I can naturally: stopped wearing makeup, gained weight, didn’t showered, dress like Da Brat, all of it. It still happened. So I thought that wearing something that changed my personal pheromone signature would help. I would guess that is has. Regardless of how much he caught me off guard, I would rather much have the response I got from him than the normal one I get, which is zombie-like DIHL, I must have you regardless of the consequences behavior. It’s annoying when people think that I look the way I do for them. I don’t, I do it for me. God made me a certain way, that’s the way I look. I should not be criticized for being attractive. It’s silly. I didn’t think I had to divulge my own personal reason for coming here to everyone and get their ok for it. But after being here for a while, I decided to be more forthcoming. I asked questions and ordered certain things to do my own tests on it for my own reasons. The reason I chose to ignore Ariadne was because she came across to me as the kind of person who blames the rape victim for being attractive or wearing attractive clothing. I don’t subscribe to that kind of thinking. You seem to have he same kind of thought process, but I can’t change that if that is how you think either. He was attracted to me already without wearing anything, but he was also a huge asshole and I simply wanted him to be nicer. I did not wear IS/B for him at all. He was the only client I saw last night and I had it on anyway, since I wear it daily. It should have worn off by the time I saw him. I sprayed a decidely NON sexual phero, [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), before seeing him for MYSELF. I think I will have Tish close this thread because it makes me sick to have other women accuse me of things when they don’t know the whole story. It’s thought processes like this that lets a male think they can rape female because she winked at him or wore a cute dress. And it makes me ill. ---
**Author:** ![Tealeaves](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tealeaves/32/1293_2.png) [@Tealeaves](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tealeaves)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 5:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/29 "2008-05-16T05:08:55Z")
Excuse me, but exactly what did I say to imply I would blame the rape victim? Do not put words in my mouth. Overt hits and _rape_ hardly fall into the same category in my mind. Who has criticized you for being attractive? There are many beautiful women on this forum. No one is saying you should be chastised for being born more attractive than some. I personally do the same as you; the reason I wear blocky clothes, go without makeup, and _try my damnedest_ to gain weight is because I hate dealing with random guys who hit on me. I have several other friends who do this. To the contrary, I have many friends more who _flaunt_ what they have, gorgeous or plain. Does that make any of us bad people? No. I don’t know where you got the idea I’m criticizing you for being attractive. No, you don’t have to divulge your personal reasons for being here, but giving the forum members an idea of what you want out of pheromones may help, even if it’s a PM to a more experienced member. If all you were looking to do was change your pheromone signature, then yes, what you’re doing would make sense. Allow me to _apologize for asking_. I’m not looking to argue with you. I never meant to insult you, never meant to imply judgment of your character, and never meant to get you angry. ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 6:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/30 "2008-05-16T06:05:47Z")
I doubt anyone posting in this thread intent was to judge, attack or insult anyone else. When reading & responding we have all got to remember we are not face to face, and losing so much of the tell tale infomation that goes with seeing the facial expessions & body language or hearing the tone or inflection of words of who you’re speaking to. ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 6:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/31 "2008-05-16T06:08:53Z")
> [@NormaJeanMarilyn](#): > > The reason I chose to ignore Ariadne was because she came across to me as the kind of person who blames the rape victim for being attractive or wearing attractive clothing. I don’t subscribe to that kind of thinking. You seem to have he same kind of thought process, but I can’t change that if that is how you think either. OK, I was just going to let this go with you, but how in god’s name did you ever come to that conclusion based on the two responses I gave you? This is highly offensive and more than a tad over-dramatic, again based on my **two responses** to you. You seem to want to share everything that goes on in your life pheromone-wise, but when I ask a bit of a deeper question about this situation, suddenly you are being judged, attacked, made assumptions about, etc. But then it’s OK for you to make a horrific statement about myself and Tealeaves. I’m sorry, but this is really ridiculous and unnecessary. I think you owe the two of us an apology. ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 6:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/32 "2008-05-16T06:11:46Z")
> [@inkling](#): > > I doubt anyone posting in this thread intent was to judge, attack or insult anyone else. For the most part, I think this is true, Inkling, but I’m fairly certain being told I blame rape victims for their assaults was an intentional judgment, attack, and insult. That’s just me, though. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 10:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/33 "2008-05-16T10:03:18Z")
> [@inkling](#): > > I doubt anyone posting in this thread intent was to judge, attack or insult anyone else. When reading & responding we have all got to remember we are not face to face, and losing so much of the tell tale infomation that goes with seeing the facial expessions & body language or hearing the tone or inflection of words of who you’re speaking to. Excellant point inkling thank you. 🙂 > [@](#): > > I’m sorry, but this is really ridiculous and unnecessary. I think you owe the two of us an apology. I expect they are owed by all parties involved. Now everyone break out there IFM and Ishine and lets not have this bickering. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 1:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/34 "2008-05-16T13:42:37Z")
NJM, if you really want to use pheromones to temper this type of response, A314 is what you want, and I think it would work well to balance out your natural attributes. You could probably get away with 2-3 drops, more than most women could. If you feel it’s coming off as too cold and forbidding, add a little bit of Shine, IO, or IH. Any of the sexual products would be over the top on you in a professional setting. Even MX134 has cops in it (small dose, but still) and given that you’re bothered by those responses, I’d choose A314 over MX134 for your practice. Now, the DMV is another story, you can go crazy there 😃 Those people need to be teased more often. IS/B lasts about 6 hours for me on skin, but hair and clothing applications of ANYTHING will last days, though. Can’t blame the man for responding the way he did to IS/B, that’s what it’s for! 🙂 You mention early in the thread that you didn’t think he was exposed to your products much since you were just doing his feet and legs; when you’re performing massage you heat up, your pherocloud expands, and your client will _definitely_ be exposed - big time! ---
**Author:** ![sexxxy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9adbd/32.png) [@sexxxy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sexxxy)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 11:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/35 "2008-05-16T23:31:25Z")
Wow, I want to hear the rest. I just got my order this week, super fast delivery so waiting to experience the action…hopefully with the right person, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Lillith](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lillith/32/2355_2.png) [@Lillith](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lillith)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2008, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/36 "2008-05-17T00:11:20Z")
I read your post, and I’m having a little bit of trouble understanding exactly what happened. You stated: “So he gets up to go and stretch out on the bottom of his bed with my hair splayed out across it. When he comes back in, he gets on the bed and I go to get up to finish his massage, and i can’t…BECAUSE HE IS LAYING FACE DOWN IN MY HAIR!!!😮 😮 😮 He’s got my hair in one hand and he’s taking MASSIVE breaths through his nose and mouth, breathing in all of my IS/B. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) and goodness knows what else I put on today.” What was your hair doing on the massage table? In the state where I reside, letting your hair touch the client is grounds for having your license revoked (I know, I know, it seems puritanical). Massage therapists with long hair are told to braid it and tuck in down their shirt, or pin it up. ---
**Author:** ![mstearious\_won](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8edcca/32.png) [@mstearious\_won](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mstearious_won)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2008, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/37 "2008-05-17T00:25:57Z")
> [@Lillith](#): > > What was your hair doing on the massage table? In the state where I reside, letting your hair touch the client is grounds for having your license revoked (I know, I know, it seems puritanical). Massage therapists with long hair are told to braid it and tuck in down their shirt, or pin it up. I think she was massaging him on the bed? ---
**Author:** ![Lillith](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lillith/32/2355_2.png) [@Lillith](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lillith)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2008, 1:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/38 "2008-05-17T01:01:06Z")
The bed? Huh? As Alice In Wonderland would say, “This just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.” ---
**Author:** ![mstearious\_won](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8edcca/32.png) [@mstearious\_won](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mstearious_won)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2008, 1:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/39 "2008-05-17T01:11:28Z")
> [@Lillith](#): > > The bed? Huh? > > As Alice In Wonderland would say, “This just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.” LOL!! Do what I do when confused; just knod and smile ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2008, 10:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659/40 "2008-05-17T10:04:39Z")
OK I see people could not leave well enough alone. I suggest you all remember that this forum is supposed to be a safe haven for the discussion of pheromones and sexuality. I do not want anyone to be uncomfortable posting because someone else takes it upon themselves to judge anothers actions. So I suggest we all think before posting, Are you posting because you really want to help or are you posting because your just feeling the need to bring another down. You can easily tell the difference. Tisha ☹ [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-sh-t-you-gotta-read-this/12659.md?page=3)