# Home made FM **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 4, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820 "2009-11-04T16:30:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![simple\_franky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@simple\_franky](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/simple_franky)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/1 "2009-11-04T16:30:47Z")
hello. We have been using a variety of products with great results at work and at home. I really miss Fm though. I have bought A1 as a chemset kit, but would like to know if adding a few drops to ammo or TUH will recreate the magic that was FM. I dont understand the role of a fixative. Another option is to add A1 to neroli alomg with some alcohol. Any advice ? ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/2 "2009-11-04T16:58:21Z")
IFM from androtics was just a1, alcohol, and some herbal EO i think. I believe the concentration was 15mcg/spray. so roughly **0.003** grams per 30ml carrier. ---
**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/3 "2009-11-04T18:07:41Z")
> [@Eldros](#): > > IFM from androtics was just a1, alcohol, and some herbal EO i think. I believe the concentration was 15mcg/spray. so roughly **0.003** grams per 30ml carrier. From IFM’s own product page: > [@](#): > > Technical > > **Contains 3 human pheromones** and a small amount of pheromone like essential oils in a neutral base. Instant Female Magic would not qualify as a cologne or perfume. > > Total pheromone per spray: **15mcg** (+/- 5%) > Total pheromone content per bottle: **3000 mcg** > Sprays per bottle: Approximately 200 There seems to be quite a few missconceptions on products on these forums. IO /IH were also regarded as being only two [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/), but on the product page one of them is stated as having 3 pheromones. It makes me wonder if the product page is wrong /typo or if the comments on the forums are wrong and being passed around as correct?, or maybe even the product changed but the product page was not updated. Very confusing. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/4 "2009-11-04T18:11:30Z")
> [@lukus](#): > > From IFM’s own product page: > > There seems to be quite a few missconceptions on products on these forums. IO /IH were also regarded as being only two pheromones, but on the product page one of them is stated as having 3 pheromones. > > It makes me wonder if the product page is wrong /typo or if the comments on the forums are wrong and being passed around as correct?, or maybe even the product changed but the product page was not updated. > > Very confusing. From what we’ve been told, everything in the instant line contains small amounts of ‘steering’ pheromones to help the others. The reason everyone refers to 2 with IO and IH is because those are the main pheros at work. ---
**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/5 "2009-11-04T19:03:53Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > From what we’ve been told, everything in the instant line contains small amounts of ‘steering’ pheromones to help the others. The reason everyone refers to 2 with IO and IH is because those are the main pheros at work. I see your point, but is that truely the case? [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) is said to be an anol:bnol mix (30%:70%). At 15mcg thats 4.5mcg:10.5mcg. However since it has 3 pheromones stated on it’s product page and most pheromones don’t seem to go below 2.5mcg per spray, if this ‘unknown’ pheromone is 2.5mcg exactly (for arguments sake), then the other two are not really that much of a ‘main’ pheromone, only bnol is and IH has always be regarded as mainly a bnol mix. I’ve only seen anol come into play in importance when talking about mixing to make cttm2 (of course, it is important in the role it plays in the mix as with any product).. Unknown pheromone at 2.5 means IH would be 3.75mcg:8.75mcg in it’s 30:70 ratio. To nit pick, if ‘everything’ in the instant series has sterring pheromones, why does IO lack a third pheromone when in essence, it too is a anol:bnol mix? Such additions can only be added in if it is necessary /needed /helpful therefore if IH does indeed need a steering pheromone then that third pheromone is an equally important addition along the other two.. Among the threads i read and used to reference the contents of products to better evaluate what pheromones come in to play, work etc.. some of them have often stated the product has “other” pheromones, IS for example is regarded as TAA mainly with TAF suspected + 1 unkown but on those same threads /post, IH was never regarded as having a third. With IFM, most people say it is pure A1, and it might be (although contradicting to the fact they sold A1 on its own as an experimone?). It might have two other pheromones at really low doses, counting towards less than 1% of the contents, but I’d prefer knowing it had 1% of other pheromones added than to disregard it, surely there was some importance into adding it… Personally I wouldnt be surprised is IFM was A1 mainly with Androterone, Androtenone /anol, but i really can not comment since it was discontinued well before I started using pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/6 "2009-11-04T19:12:12Z")
I read somewhere on here that MHarris had mentioned how certain pheros even in doses less than one percent still make a difference. (Don’t quote me, but I believe that TAF falls into that category). ---
**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 10:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/7 "2009-11-04T22:05:38Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > I read somewhere on here that MHarris had mentioned how certain pheros even in doses less than one percent still make a difference. (Don’t quote me, but I believe that TAF falls into that category). I do agree with that, I’ve read many times that pheromones can be effective in nanograms? (what ever is smaller than mcg, not sure if nanograms is the correct term). I wasn’t disregarding it for being less than 1% only saying that for it to be included, it must serve some significance in the mix even if it isnt the main pheromone 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BLADE](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blade/32/2083_2.png) [@BLADE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BLADE)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/8 "2009-11-04T22:16:33Z")
Given that A1 is most useful around women when the red flags are flying, I wouldn’t think Androstenone would have been present in IFM. Counter productive given 'None at that time of the month is more likely to make a woman bite your head off 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/9 "2009-11-04T22:22:02Z")
IFM was available in two different version: one for men and one for women. Because Androstadienone (A 1) can cause a depressive effect in some men (including me), the men’s version had some pheromones added to counter that effect (which didn’t help much for me). So there’s definitely been more mones than only A1 in IFM for men at least. > [@](#): > > Given that Androstadienone is most useful around women when the red flags are flying, I wouldn’t think Androstenone would have been present in Instant Female Magic. Counter productive given 'None at that time of the month is more likely to make a woman bite your head off Yepp, if there’s one pheromone that’s definitely not been in IFM it’s Androstenone! ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/10 "2009-11-04T22:44:19Z")
[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) was listed as having 3 pheromones, (before Instant Female Magic was removed from the product page - so I guess no hope of it coming back soon). If I had to guess what was in it, I’d say, obviously, primarily A1 with a tiny bit of both EST and TAF. TAF for obvious reasons and I’m sure I read a post by MHarris a while back talking about EST being used in Instant Female Magic to counter any depression the A1 may cause men. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 12:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/11 "2009-11-05T00:01:12Z")
That makes sense. I could see TAF being one of the pheromones present in IFM based on my tests of it. ---
**Author:** ![simple\_franky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@simple\_franky](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/simple_franky)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 6:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/12 "2009-11-05T06:53:43Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > That makes sense. I could see TAF being one of the pheromones present in IFM based on my tests of it. Hey thanks to everyone. We will run some experiments and post the results. Sounds like TAF is a good place to start in very small amounts, and perhaps spaceland as well to carry the AI. as you can guess we are rank amateurs. ---
**Author:** ![LeafStamp](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/leafstamp/32/376_2.png) [@LeafStamp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LeafStamp)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 8:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/13 "2009-11-05T08:28:10Z")
> [@simple\_franky](#): > > as you can guess we are rank amateurs. **rank** is right if you’re messing with spaceland 😛 ---
**Author:** ![simple\_franky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@simple\_franky](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/simple_franky)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 8:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/14 "2009-11-05T08:37:27Z")
> [@LeafStamp](#): > > **rank** is right if you’re messing with spaceland 😛 yeah it is rank, I made a mix of A1 spaceland and a hint of TUH ,it all went kinda white and milky…best go to the testing range and see how it works !! can someone let me know what EST is,there seems to be a few different mones which start with est. So confusing in a fun kinda way,beats crap outta stamp collecting !!! ---
**Author:** ![putativematrix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c0e974/32.png) [@putativematrix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/putativematrix)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/15 "2009-11-06T13:54:42Z")
Why did they discontinue their best product (IFM)? NOTHING came close to that. And why don’t they reissue the good MX’s like Dragon Lord’s? Aaaarrrgghhh! Does anybody know the real reason? If I would have known, I would have bought a gallon of it, and I’m not even joking? ---
**Author:** ![simple\_franky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@simple\_franky](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/simple_franky)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 6:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/16 "2009-12-30T06:34:48Z")
Well the experiments with A1 being mixed with spaceland ect wre an unmitigated disaster. A1 is definately something to be cautious with, self effects were evident and the whole thing ended up turning off the girl who loved me madly when wearing the old Fm…and left me feeling crap as well.we also made mixes of alcohol,dpg,essential oils with various amounts of A1 added, some with a little NPA as well. All very disapointing cpmpared to the off the shelf products. the bright point was some mx 353..this stuff has good results albeit very short range and not a lot of duration. I stand in awe of the people who get these home made recipes right, I still have so much to learn …it makes the head swim. It would be great to be able to get some base mixes off the shelf to which one only needs the bases,ie the steering pheros and eos are all ready. Until then I will look forward to obtaining some putatives ( 83?) and continue with the quest. May each and all of you have a good and memorable 2010. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 6:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/17 "2009-12-30T06:55:56Z")
I think Wildflower nailed it: IFM was primarily A1 with trace amounts of a couple other mones to counter male depression. I’ve used LS chemset A1 for 5 or 6 years and it is even more magical than IFM was (smells better too). However it is a lot more concentrated than IFM and is best used diluted or mixed. If you were prone to depression with IFM, don’t even think of using chemset A1 straight from the bottle. It’s friggen dangerous. Luckily A1 does not faze me in any quantity or concentration. I found one or two drops smeared across my forearm stopped PMS cold in female friends. I used it as a buffer for NPA for a few years but eventually found I preferred plain old alpha androstenol for that. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/18 "2009-12-30T15:56:59Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > I’ve used LS chemset A1 for 5 or 6 years and it is even more magical than IFM was (smells better too). However it is a lot more concentrated than IFM and is best used diluted or mixed. If you were prone to depression with IFM, don’t even think of using chemset A1 straight from the bottle. It’s friggen dangerous. Luckily A1 does not faze me in any quantity or concentration. I found one or two drops smeared across my forearm stopped PMS cold in female friends. I used it as a buffer for NPA for a few years but eventually found I preferred plain old alpha androstenol for that. I’m just about out of [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) now, so naturally I’ve ordered a (full strength) bottle of A1 from Lovecsent to replace Instant Female Magic in my mixes. I also do not have any adverse self effects from A1, if anything at all it actually makes me a little bit more chilled out - like a mild, pleasent lethargic feeling. My concern is that I’ve read a few times now that it needs dilluting. I wear Instant Female Magic a lot with Ammo and the like, as I think it can give an anone mix some depth - it isn’t just a PMS mood soother for me. So is 1-3 drops too much? Overpowering? If so what does everyone dillute it with? PA? ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 4:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/19 "2009-12-30T16:19:55Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > I’m just about out of Instant Female Magic now, so naturally I’ve ordered a (full strength) bottle of A1 from Lovecsent to replace Instant Female Magic in my mixes. I also do not have any adverse self effects from A1, if anything at all it actually makes me a little bit more chilled out - like a mild, pleasent lethargic feeling. My concern is that I’ve read a few times now that it needs dilluting. I wear Instant Female Magic a lot with Ammo and the like, as I think it can give an anone mix some depth - it isn’t just a PMS mood soother for me. So is 1-3 drops too much? Overpowering? If so what does everyone dillute it with? PA? I never dilluted it … 2 drops is my sweet spot, and I wouldn’t be suprised if it was everybody’s sweet spot, either … with the full strength version; and I aggree, it’s not just a PMS mood soother. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 5:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820/20 "2009-12-30T17:14:07Z")
> [@](#): > > I never dilluted it … 2 drops is my sweet spot, and I wouldn’t be suprised if it was everybody’s sweet spot, either … with the full strength version; and I aggree, it’s not just a PMS mood soother. Thanks. I didn’t like the thought of diluting an _oil_ based product with perfumers _alcohol_ - should imagine that would’ve been quite messy. 2 sprays of Instant Female magic is/was my sweet spot - it really made girls cuddly and just want to bury their noses into my neck. I can only imagine how A1 makes a girl feel, but it makes them behave all warm and fuzzy like – it definitely broadens any attraction caused by anone. For the past few months I’ve been rationing my [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) to 1-2 sprays at a time. With a bottle of A1 on the way I’m looking forward to experimenting with high doses of A1 - taking inspiration from this old post by Mharris: > [@](#): > > I’m surprise you notice nothing from Androstadienone. I’ve never seen anyone say that before.All I can think is – maybe you got a dud? > > The difference between Androstadienone and [IFM](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) is that [IFM](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) has some corrective properties to improve the wearers mood. It can still result in a dull mood in other men around you, though. Something I want to work on more on future versions. > > Still useful, though. Personally, a single spray and I get along much better with the ladies in my life. 4 to 5 spays, and I get wholly unusual behavior at bars and clubs from women… truly unwarranted interest from women. > > When used in a mix, I’ve had results very contrary to what you may have seen me mentioning on this forum otherwise (that men must initiate). I’ve had women initiate and even some foisting of physical contact and phone numbers on me, all without any action on my part. We’re talking early in the night, too, before everyone is hammered beyond belief. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/home-made-fm/33820.md?page=2)