# hormones vs. pheromones **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 25, 2009, 5:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hormones-vs-pheromones/28365 "2009-04-25T05:46:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 5:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hormones-vs-pheromones/28365/1 "2009-04-25T05:46:59Z")
interesting thing happened to me today that got me thinking and i would like to get ya’ll’s take on this, especially the scientific types: basically i saw this guy on campus that i had a lab class with a year ago but he was surrounded by four women wanting his attention. now a year ago this guy was annoying as hell to women and they stayed away from him. i talked to him later on and he said that he’s been going to the gym 4 times a week and playing basketball. now given he is in better shape, but not by much. he still dresses the same, talks the same, acts the same. so the only explanation i could think of as to how he went from zero to hero is that all that physical exercise has changed his body chemistry. do you agree? if so do you think it has to do more with his hormonal balance (testosterone/estrogen ratio) or his production of [pheromones](https://a314.com/)? ---
**Author:** ![Ball.Saxbury](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ball.saxbury/32/1063_2.png) [@Ball.Saxbury](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ball.Saxbury)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 5:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hormones-vs-pheromones/28365/2 "2009-04-25T05:56:50Z")
Being in good physical shape gives you more testosterone which in turn means more none is produced. Though being in good shape is a natural attractor for women, since it indicates good genetics and self-discipline, the increased phero levels would also help in that department. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 10:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hormones-vs-pheromones/28365/3 "2009-04-25T10:11:12Z")
> [@](#): > > do you agree? if so do you think it has to do more with his hormonal balance (testosterone/estrogen ratio) or his production of pheromones? Both… Pheromones are hormones. They are called hormones when they are inside the body and Pheromones outside the body. Both send signals they just use different pathways to do it. Take anone for instance its a androgen from the C19 sex steroid group or hormones along with DHEA\*\*·\*\* Androstenedione Androstenediol Testosterone Dihydrotestosterone Or the [womens Pheromone](https://phera.com/) EST is a sex steroid from the C18 Estrogens group along with Estrone, Estradiol, Estriol. Health age fitness levels diet race all play a part in how much natural mone/hormone levels we produce. As we age both men and women’s levels of hormones begin to diminish. Less Testosterone, Less Estrogen. Your friend is in his prime of the male breeding cycle. I am sure if he is hitting the gym he is eating better and possibly taking supplements. Perhaps a year ago he had lower Testosterone as well because he wasn’t done with puberty. Most people don’t know that in males puberty lasts until your around 19. There are also other chemical signals that the body produces though pheromones. Alarm, Primers, re leasers, territorial, identifiers. So yes I would say your friend changed his body chemistry and along with it probably his personality and body language in a subtle way without you or him noticing it. His confidence levels are up therefore he also signals with his body stance. These are all small parts of the whole puzzle of human attraction signaling and communication. I love science 😃 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 12:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hormones-vs-pheromones/28365/4 "2009-04-25T12:28:44Z")
You say he acts the same – do you mean that you could actually pinpoint the kind of irritating behavior he was doing a year ago that annoyed women, and you can clearly see that he’s still doing it? Call me a skeptic but I tend to think that either: 1) he’s made a conscious effort to change his behavior to make himself more likeable, or 2) the women you saw getting irritated last year were just a different group than the ones hanging out with him this year, and the difference is just different tastes that individual women have. or 3) he was generally stressed out last year and the regular exercise has mitigated that (which in turn could cause physiological changes if he started out extremely stressed). ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 2:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hormones-vs-pheromones/28365/5 "2009-04-25T14:49:40Z")
> [@xev](#): > > You say he acts the same – do you mean that you could actually pinpoint the kind of irritating behavior he was doing a year ago that annoyed women, and you can clearly see that he’s still doing it? > > Call me a skeptic but I tend to think that either: 1) he’s made a conscious effort to change his behavior to make himself more likeable, or 2) the women you saw getting irritated last year were just a different group than the ones hanging out with him this year, and the difference is just different tastes that individual women have. or 3) he was generally stressed out last year and the regular exercise has mitigated that (which in turn could cause physiological changes if he started out extremely stressed). i love sceptics, im one myself 🙂 its a bit hard to describe…his main issue is his personality…he has this irritating disrespectful demeanor about him, i don’t mean cocky i mean downright “i’m god so worship me” syndrome kinda thing. i already considered the things you brought up but ruled them out for several reasons, mainly because we’re a small school and you see everybody on campus twice a day. and within majors you’re pretty much stuck with them.