# Hot Potato! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 11, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986 "2009-02-11T21:05:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 2:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986/21 "2009-02-12T14:19:18Z")
I noticed when I initlally started using 'mones that my voice would occasionally feel raspy right after application ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986/22 "2009-02-12T22:58:21Z")
Great experiment!!! I think you can really go high dosages of none if you cover it real well with a good cologne and do not do it every night otherwise it will build up overtime I found that out with NPA Otherwise if you do it once or twice a week you will be fine and will not see negative hits and sometimes even positive that you normally might not see, but not everyone will be able to tolerate it I do not think… ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 4:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986/23 "2009-02-13T04:08:51Z")
MFG, very interesting report. Perhaps for your next attempt with the -none, try balancing with some of that high powered IH? Might make for an interesting evening. 🙂 -D4 ---
**Author:** ![pherophreak](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherophreak/32/1531_2.png) [@pherophreak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherophreak)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 4:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986/24 "2009-02-13T04:22:28Z")
When I applied 100mcg of none I got violent reactions from a clerk 4+ hours after application. Maybe the dosage is shutting down the transmitters…that’d be my bet. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986/25 "2009-02-13T05:07:17Z")
> [@pherophreak](#): > > When I applied 100mcg of none I got violent reactions from a clerk 4+ hours after application. Maybe the dosage is shutting down the transmitters…that’d be my bet. Supposedly tribal natives could not “see” planes when they first arrived. They were so out of the ordinary, they just didn’t compute at all. Dosages of anything have a curve to them, where both too much and too little of something have similar effects. Somewhere in between there’s better results, and usually a narrow “sweet spot” or two. For example, too little or too much water, and you can die. An ounce of water day for weeks or two or three gallons drunk quickly will both kill you. Between 5 to 16 cups or so a day, and you’re fine. Somewhere around 8 to 10 cups or therabouts, matched with a good mix of electrolytes, and most people are feelin’ pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Feel\_Good](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.feel_good/32/1148_2.png) [@Mr.Feel\_Good](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Feel_Good)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 5:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986/26 "2009-02-13T05:24:04Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Dosages of anything have a curve to them, where both too much and too little of something have similar effects. Somewhere in between there’s better results, and usually a narrow “sweet spot” or two. Hmm, well i’ve tested my -none abilities with up to 10 sprays of TUTH before (so 25 mcg of -none) in an attempt to get that overdose experience people have talked about. Now when i did that, i did notice some avoidance behavior, but no aggression from other guys or unusual behavior on my behalf. Would you recommend i test the intervals between 25 mcg and 112.5 mcg to try to find if there’s a point where the dosage becomes too strong and gets blocked out? Or should i continue climbing higher in my dosage to see if there’s a new mountain of effects beyond the plateau i’m currently on? ---
**Author:** ![April\_Marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/74df32/32.png) [@April\_Marie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/April_Marie)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986/27 "2009-02-13T18:18:07Z")
So I vote for 2 sprays of none 3 sprays of p74 and then some Openness 2X for making you more approachable. Ok thats my two cents. Have fun Amy agrees with me for the most part. She voted for some A314 in there as well. Let us know what you decide. April and Amy 😃 > [@Mr.Feel\_Good](#): > > Ok ladies and gents, gather around! For i need some help with my trials for night and trying out my new bag of goodies… and you all get to put in your two cents! > > So today i received my much anticipated to-go bottle of 112.5 mcg androstenone, which i am rip-roaring and ready to put to some use. I plan on going out to 1-2 clubs tonight to see results in larger crowds, so keep that in mind. Now i’d like some suggestions from the fine folks here on what they’d like to see mixed or buffered on top of that, or if i should JUST use that. Tisha, Steve, girls in the lab, that includes you. This is for SCIENCE. > > My current arsenal includes _ahem_: > > **Full Size Bottles:** > -all men’s consumer line, except mystery boy (IH x4, IO x2) > -A314 > -Spaceland > -Come Talk to Me (mix 2) > -p79, p83 (20 mcg) > > **To-go’s:** > -TAF, TAC (12.5 mcg) > -p74, p79, p83, p86, p93, p103 (12.5 mcg) > -MX272, MX292 > > Mmk, suggestion time… if one suggestion is particularly popular, or if the ladies in the lab would like to see one the most, then that’ll be my choice. I’ll write up the report when i get back in. Thanks in advance and let the voting begin! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Feel\_Good](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.feel_good/32/1148_2.png) [@Mr.Feel\_Good](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Feel_Good)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986/28 "2009-02-13T18:45:19Z")
> [@April\_Marie](#): > > So I vote for 2 sprays of none 3 sprays of p74 and then some Openness 2X for making you more approachable. Ok thats my two cents. Have fun Amy agrees with me for the most part. She voted for some A314 in there as well. Let us know what you decide. > April and Amy 😃 Hmm, well i was considering trying out another mix tonight that i’ve been working on in my spare time (trying to perfect that one, needs some tweaking), but since i cleaned my neck twice with witch hazel since the last outing, i don’t think i’ll have a build-up… awww, what the heck! I’m down for it. Who could deny two such lovely ladies their request? 😉 But if i’m going to be using 2 sprays of the -none, i think i’ll take Amy’s advice and use 1 drop of A314. Unfortunately i just got my IO, so i haven’t had time to find my sweet spot for it… Well guys, it’s time for another vote, i suppose. I don’t wanna buffer the -none too much, since that kinda messes with the entire idea here, so what do you think? 1 or 2 sprays of IO? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Feel\_Good](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.feel_good/32/1148_2.png) [@Mr.Feel\_Good](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Feel_Good)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 1:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986/29 "2009-02-14T01:36:37Z")
Mmk, i haven’t gotten any suggestions from people as of yet, so i’ma try a small bump here. Looking for guesstimates on how many IOx2 sprays i should use with 2 sprays 112.5 mcg -none, 3 sprays p74, and 1 drop A314. I’m 22, athletic build, caucasion (for those who don’t know me by now 🙄) Danke Schon in advance! ---
**Author:** ![pherophreak](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherophreak/32/1531_2.png) [@pherophreak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherophreak)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 1:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986/30 "2009-02-14T01:48:06Z")
4 Sprays of IO is what I’d do. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Feel\_Good](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.feel_good/32/1148_2.png) [@Mr.Feel\_Good](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Feel_Good)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 1:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986/31 "2009-02-14T01:48:56Z")
> [@pherophreak](#): > > 4 Sprays of IO is what I’d do. Mmm, but the idea is to not buffer it tooooo much, or why put on all that -none in the first place? That would be 8 regular sprays of IO. That’s alot, si? ---
**Author:** ![pherophreak](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherophreak/32/1531_2.png) [@pherophreak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherophreak)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986/32 "2009-02-14T02:32:43Z")
True, but my hypothesis is that at 225mcg none people are going to shut down completely anyways… Heck I don’t know what to suggest. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Feel\_Good](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.feel_good/32/1148_2.png) [@Mr.Feel\_Good](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Feel_Good)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 2:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986/33 "2009-02-14T02:41:06Z")
Ok, due to the fact that i got approximately 5 hours sleep last night and decided to run 3 miles around a lake today, i think this experiment will be postponed until tomorrow. But stay tuned folks, cause it WILL be happening! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986/34 "2009-02-15T22:09:54Z")
When I want to add a phero a new (or new to me) molecule, I’ll 1. Test it alone. You must discount any bias’ your own perceptual system has, as well as the reaction your own looking for reactions is going to create. You gotta keep in mind how the observer effects the observed, that kind of thing. [Observer effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect) > **[Actor–observer asymmetry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actor-observer_bias)** > > Actor–observer asymmetry (also actor–observer bias or actor–observer difference) is a bias one exhibits when forming attributions about the behavior of others or themselves. When explaining their own behavior, people are more likely to attribute their actions to the particular situation rather than their personality, also known as a situational attribution. However, when an observer is explaining the behavior of another person, they are more likely to attribute this behavior to the ac Sometimes, ... > **[Quantum Theory Demonstrated: Observation Affects Reality](http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/02/980227055013.htm)** > > One of the most bizarre premises of quantum theory, which has long fascinated philosophers and physicists alike, states that by the very act of watching, the observer affects the observed reality. 1. Test it with [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) or another strong bnol, to better hear what others think about it. You must discount the rapport/liking bias you tend to get from it, though. “Wow, you smell like a pig’s balls… but, hey, for some reason, I like ya.” 1. Test it with TAF so _I_ can better see what’s going on. You must discount the sort of “no bias bias” you tend to get from others. You see things more clearly when exposed to TAF, but the downside is that other people do, too, and will not be acting like their normal selves. Not the worst downside, I admit. The thing is that TAF is terrible way to see cultural bias or learned bias’, though, since it seems to strip down many learned preferences. It seems strip down the surface level personality w/all of it’s normal fears and filters, leaving something more akin to raw neurology. The “real person” to some extent, maybe, but not definitely who you meet when you’re un-TAF’d. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Feel\_Good](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.feel_good/32/1148_2.png) [@Mr.Feel\_Good](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Feel_Good)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 12:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986/35 "2009-02-16T00:04:54Z")
Hmm, so you should probably actually test every new product alone (meaning both without other molecules and by yourself), in order to try to understand the possible effects it may have on your own perceptual system, before going out to test it as a solo molecule while interacting with others. In other words, then you’d be able to (in theory) seperate the self-effects from your interactions as much as possible and try to see solely the effects of the molecule on others. A lot easier said than done though… I’m intrigued by your description of TAF removing learned preferences from people’s interactions. I wouldn’t have thought to put it that way… from my self-experiments with it, i noted my thoughts on TAF causing a change in the dopamine receptors in the brain. Since the dopamine system is associated with a person’s attention, planning, and drive, an increase in the signals received could cause these factors to be enhanced to the exclusion of other features of a person’s personality. While stimulated by TAF you may be more goal oriented, finding that something usually effortless, like socializing, becomes harder unless it has a specific goal. I’ll have to test TAF out in a casual environment and see how this idea pans out… As far as my androstenone experiment last night went, i of course realized my obvious mistake right after applying all my [pheromones](https://a314.com/)… since i haven’t had the chance to test p74 yet, i would have no way to seperate possible p74 and androstenone effects. I could make an educated guess with the IO from having used IH and spaceland, but i had no bearings to use for p74. So that shot most of my results down. One thing i did notice is that there seemed to be two ranges on the androstenone last night… the first range seemed to be about 10-12 feet away and acted congruous with my lower -none testing… getting IOI from women and sexual flirting. However, when people were within a closer range they would momentarily seem lost while talking to me, then would warm back up. My theory is that the amount of -none i applied caused my phero cloud to acceptable levels at a farther distance, while closer to the source the signal was too high to understand and was shut out. It was during this switch that the people seemed to get confused. But aside from this, i can’t say whether the warming back up was from my interactions with them or from the p74 and IO, so that’s about all i got out of it. I’ll have to see where my experiments with -none will go from here, because while i appreciate the idea of testing each molecule seperately, i have a hard time thinking of somewhere i could test these high amounts of -none without some kind of buffer. I would ideally like to use it around friends, but that just seems right out… especially since most my friends are women. Dont want to be sending out this kinda vibe around them… Once i come up with a solution, i’ll revive this thread from the dead and tell you how it goes. 😉 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hot-potato/25986.md?page=1)