# How can I get the most out of IO, IS/A or B to test? **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 23, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-i-get-the-most-out-of-io-is-a-or-b-to-test/32707 "2009-09-23T03:34:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![satellite99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@satellite99](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/satellite99)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-i-get-the-most-out-of-io-is-a-or-b-to-test/32707/1 "2009-09-23T03:34:12Z")
My intent this week is to get people who are either strangers or aquaintances I’ve not been able to establish a rapport with to feel interested in talking with me, that is, to be able to exchange casual banter and some discussion. Not looking for a deep heart to heart at this time. In the past I’ve been fine with small groups of up to 4 people but anything beyond that and people tune out in mid-sentence sometimes within less than 2 minutes. The conversation drifts to the alphas of the group and everyone else falls in line around them. Of course I can force my way in, and have, but then I’m not very good at it so I get the distinct impression that people are being “very” polite. And I feel like I’m making a speech that I’m rushing to end before people start walking away. So far I’ve used IO 2X twice at an average of 3 sprays both solo and in combo at 3-6 feet distances. Acquaintances have not changed (friends are still friendly in the usual way) and strangers have not been interested in talking with me at all. I’ve also had strangers talking to me when I don’t have pheromones on, so it’s not that I’m entirely unsociable. I intend to increase the sprays and in combination with others. I’ve also used 3-5 sprays on several occasions of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 2X but have not sensed any hits with this one either except perhaps in combo with IH 1X one time so this may have been a non-pheromone thing. Also, I’m at the stage where the smell of perfume is starting to worry me. I’m not the kind of person who puts on more than 2 sprays of a fragrance so going 3 or more of anything makes me concerned of overkill indoors. The people I generally hang around do not wear fragrance at all so they are bound to be more sensitive. I can put up with “normal” body odor in strangers but not perfume, so I worry when I myself have to put on so much Neroli+cover to get out the pheromones. These days, I have no idea how perfumey I smell. So… how high a dose should I go for…before the Neroli starts killing the flies.😮 Honestly, at this point, I just want to know for sure that pheromones work on me. (used so far in various solos and combos - IShine2X, IO2X, IH1X, IS/A, IS/B) IS/A - I’ve used a lot in frequency and no hits. (up to 5 sprays on a single day though not all at once) IS/B - I’ve used a lot in quantity once and no hits at several locations. (4 sprays max) Need more experiments with this one. I also have P74, MX274, and MX300 which I had hoped to wait to use until I had more experience with the regular stuff but now feel more inclined to incorporate. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sugar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sugar)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-i-get-the-most-out-of-io-is-a-or-b-to-test/32707/2 "2009-09-23T04:50:31Z")
Have you tried using just one phero for a full week to find your “sweet spots” for each? You might find that your forearms might produce hits with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) but then Instant Sexiness might be best applied behind your ears for instance. Once that is established then layering is easy and you might not need as much product as you think. ---
**Author:** ![madison](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/madison/32/546_2.png) [@madison](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/madison)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-i-get-the-most-out-of-io-is-a-or-b-to-test/32707/3 "2009-09-24T21:04:51Z")
Maybe next time you are in the group try MX300 or IS/A with I/O 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![satellite99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@satellite99](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/satellite99)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 11:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-i-get-the-most-out-of-io-is-a-or-b-to-test/32707/4 "2009-09-24T23:22:29Z")
Well I tested IO 2X and IShine 2X at overkill and it was baaad… Dosage: IO 2x 7 sprays (2 behind each ear, chest, back of hair, left elbow crease) IShine 2x 2 sprays (back of hair, chest) Self-Effect : irritability (also just started my period) followed by constant yawning, than crash went to sleep, had nightmare First group meeting at a private home of a retired couple with a nice dog Guests other than myself : woman in fifties, has back pain, feeling lonely after many of her friends passed away, 2 women who are ranchers, one is married w/kids, the other may have a child, not sure, both look to be in their forties, 2 women in their thirties. It was a kind of meditation healing circle starting with intros all around and gradually moved on to personal stories of the new agey kind. Topics included psychic experiences and reading auras, the dangers of out of body experiences, channeling. I generally like this kind of thing for entertainment purposes, seriously considering ghost hunting but that’s another deal. Within an hour, people were very chatty and I found it increasingly difficult to join in. Some of the people knew each other so kind of broke into groups of two’s and three’s talking about neighbors they knew in common. I didn’t know anyone and could not relate so I became very distant. There was a lot of sharing going on but the body language of the group was turned away from me and at one point, I was the only one with no one to talk to so I observed. I felt too tired to get up and move in closer though the person sitting next to me was the husand of the host and a personable sort. When the group returned to an open discussion, I tried to interject 3x but was talked over and no one noticed I was interrupted. When I spoke to the host, she basically smiled at me in that therapist “putting up with your issues” sort of way without giving an inch - she didn’t have much to say to me so it was harder for me to continue the small talk. I had expected her to at least be more talkative to me (IO, IS) but it was as if she almost pitied me for being an outcast, which was pretty much how I felt. There was no rapport, no interest towards me or what ever remark I made, I think no one would have noticed if I left the room. The room was also excessively cold and I was freezing so that added to my reluctance to pushing myself forward and be chatty. I felt physically locked into my chair and looking for an escape. The whole thing lasted for 3 hours after which I got lost driving to get back. I had intended on taking a shower before bed but was so tired I couldn’t even turn off the computer, and fell asleep with make-up still on face and not even changing my clothes. Woke this morning with a vivid nightmare of a major airplane crash but not emotionally involved like just watching an action movie. Called Steve to get his feedback and got a better perpective on the deal. Thanks Steve. Basically he told me the IO set the climate for the chattiness where everyone just wanted to talk it out without really listening to each other. The Instant Shine at such a high dosage may have made my friendliness seem false and open to suspicion. It also accentuated whatever negative emotions I was holding inside, in this case the irritability from my period. So IShine basically made me an irritable person with a big smile 😃 = suspiciously insane?? 🆒😮🆒😮🆒😮 ☹ He didn’t believe the nightmare was due to pheromones but because I often put pheros on my hair and the pillowcase that hadn’t been changed, that with my menstrual cycle, always a volcanic time basically erupted in my dreams. Conclusion, IO is definitely not right for me at high doses and not effective from past experience in low so I’ll stay off it for awhile. IShine solo has not improved my mood even a notch everytime I wear it except possibly with IH so will need further testing in combo. Today, I’ve started P74 for the first time. Solo 2 sprays behind ears. Seems to pick me up a notch. Will report later. I wanted to try [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) but apparently that’s discontinued due to negative effect on men? but since I do hang around with women’s groups I’d like to try it out. I believe its Androstadienone and pricey at $80 Anyone here tried it out with other women? ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-i-get-the-most-out-of-io-is-a-or-b-to-test/32707/5 "2009-09-25T15:50:09Z")
> [@satellite99](#): > > Dosage: IO 2x 7 sprays (2 behind each ear, chest, back of hair, left elbow crease) > IShine 2x 2 sprays (back of hair, chest) > > Conclusion, IO is definitely not right for me at high doses and not effective from past experience in low so I’ll stay off it for awhile. Ok… I’m probably stating the obvious here (and I’m sure you already know this) but 7 sprays of IO2x is the same as 14 sprays standard strength IO. Why would you think that would be your sweet spot? And then adding the IS2x on top of that? 14 sprays of IO isn’t a big dose…it’s HUGE! No wonder you didn’t get good results 🙂 When you say IO isn’t effective in low doses for you…I’m not sure what your definition of a low dose is (mine is 1-2 sprays) but from just a few sprays to 14…that’s a big jump. How did you actually test it? What doses? In what environment etc? How many times did you try it?