# How can you see effects or compare situations? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 27, 2008, 7:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365 "2008-08-27T19:01:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Trantorx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/13edae/32.png) [@Trantorx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trantorx)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2008, 12:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/41 "2008-09-03T12:38:35Z")
just from german to german: wg der Racheninjektion (krass! muss ja EKLiG sein mit dem Parfüm) hast du net gekotzt? hast du eigentlich verstanden, dass [Pheromone](https://a314.com/) durch die Nase /Geruchsrezeptoren arbeiten und nicht durch den Magen o Blut (sind keine Hormone) translated: pheros work thru nose and not blood/ingestion (aint hormones) ---
**Author:** ![Hirogen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hirogen/32/1219_2.png) [@Hirogen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hirogen)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2008, 1:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/42 "2008-09-03T13:05:35Z")
> [@Trantorx](#): > > wg der Racheninjektion hast du net gekotzt Just a question @ all: Did everyone think I SWALLOWED the pheromones??? 😮 Do you really think I’d be that stupid?? Really… WTF? 😕 No, man, by throat I meant **this** ([Neck - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neck)) part of the body. I’m sorry, but it seems as if I’m the victim of a “false friend” because “neck” sounds like “Nacken” in German (which is [nape](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nape) in English, I guess). I thought, neck would only be the back of this body part. And “throat” is used by so many people on this forum that I assumed they meant the front part. To clarify: NO, I didn’t swallow any pheromones! I just sprayed them on my skin! @ Trantorx: Ich hoffe, das erklärt einiges. (english: I hope that clears things up.) Answers appreciated! ---
**Author:** ![Trantorx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/13edae/32.png) [@Trantorx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trantorx)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2008, 1:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/43 "2008-09-03T13:16:16Z")
yes after you said you sprayed into your throat(=Rachen) i (and maybe the others) thought you went a bit extreme 🙂 good that it is now clear 😉 so no one will consider us germans as crazy n wacky geeks lol ---
**Author:** ![Hirogen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hirogen/32/1219_2.png) [@Hirogen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hirogen)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2008, 4:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/44 "2008-09-03T16:19:46Z")
Well, the exact part of the sentence was > [@](#): > > applied 5 sprays of Instant Shine 2X **to** my throat in **this** ([How can you see effects or compare situations? - #26 by Hirogen](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/26)) post. I may be persistent but not extreme. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2008, 5:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/45 "2008-09-03T17:31:43Z")
I spray on my throat as well. I say neck now, referring to the back of my neck. But a friend has mistaken ‘on the throat’ for ‘in the throat’ before. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hirogen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hirogen/32/1219_2.png) [@Hirogen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hirogen)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2008, 6:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/46 "2008-09-03T18:20:13Z")
Ok… that’s interesting because in this forum I read posts from native speakers who used “throat”. Like [this](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheros-should-i-wear-for-tml-clubbing-need-any-recommendation-urgently/18451/11), [this](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mix-pheremones/18041/3), [this](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-should-i-spray-exactly/17654/3) and [that](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-pheromone-experiences-observations/12688/13) post. I’m quite certain that they referred to the skin in the throat area and not the inner part. It is a bit confusing if even native speakers use it that way. So, what should one use? Front of neck / back of neck? Throat / nape? Neck beneath my chin? Skin in the throat area? Just curious… What do native speakers refer to if they say “neck”? ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2008, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/47 "2008-09-03T18:26:57Z")
I’m not at a keyboard right now, so it is hard to type out entire thoughts. For me: throat=front of neck (where the adam’s apple is) neck=back of neck (where your spine is) ---
**Author:** ![Hirogen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hirogen/32/1219_2.png) [@Hirogen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hirogen)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2008, 6:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/48 "2008-09-03T18:42:17Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > throat=front of neck (where the adam’s apple is) > neck=back of neck (where your spine is) That’s exactly what I thought before the discussion started… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/49 "2008-09-03T18:48:27Z")
> [@Hirogen](#): > > That’s exactly what I thought before the discussion started… 🙂 yes, I was trying to agree with you. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Hirogen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hirogen/32/1219_2.png) [@Hirogen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hirogen)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 12:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/50 "2008-09-04T00:17:26Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > yes, I was trying to agree with you. 😛 I know! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![schell0385](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/schell0385/32/199_2.png) [@schell0385](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/schell0385)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 7:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/51 "2008-09-04T07:43:59Z")
Hirogen, Hello there. Your English was just fine. We understood you…😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hirogen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hirogen/32/1219_2.png) [@Hirogen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hirogen)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/52 "2008-09-15T15:56:10Z")
How many products can be combined? That means, if you use 1 spray of IS, 2 IH, 2 IO, 2 IG and 1 Ammo - is that too much? ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 4:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/53 "2008-09-15T16:12:13Z")
Hirogen… the forum has alot of really dramatic hits… I’ve had a few experiences which were rather noticeable, but in general the effects are fairly subtle… One of the biggest “hits”/Effects I’ve noticed when wearing A314/IS, for example, was a particular co-worker/good friend of mine tended to mull around my desk whenever I was wearing the combination (Either one alone seemed to have the effect… combined it was more dramatic). I must of tested for a good 2 weeks and then looked back at that two weeks and realized… holy crap, almost every day I wore that phero combo I made some comment about this guy hanging around my desk… It’s not quite the “4 girls tore their clothes off at the bar to get my attention” type hit you see in the forums alot, but it is most definelty a “hit”. ---
**Author:** ![Hirogen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hirogen/32/1219_2.png) [@Hirogen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hirogen)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 6:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/54 "2008-09-15T18:06:24Z")
Ok, these are my experiences so far. Haven’t been out so much for a while so there weren’t so many situations to test the pheromones. I’ll just mention situations where I think that pheromones could have had an influence. **Supermarket** 2 sprays of Ammunition Situation: I went to the cashier and payed. She is about 45 years old, half russian. Normally, she is in a stressed out mood - with any customer. Doesn’t talk at all, just looks unfriendly. That was different that day. First, she seemed to be like always but then I said something funny (I can’t recall what it was) and she smiled, said a few things (more or less friendly) and for a short moment even looked me in the eye. That never happened before. I don’t remember if I had any self-effects. I tried to appear self-confident but I don’t attribute that to the pheromones. I had that situation again but it was another supermarket, similar target. Only significant difference: 1 spray of Ammunition, 2 sprays of [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) **Cafeteria** 1 Ammunition, 1 Instant Gentleman, 1 Instant Honesty, 1 Instant Openness, 1 Come talk to me Situation: I usually see some people I know in the cafeteria and that day there was also a woman (attractive enough, 27 years old) I just have a nodding acquaintance with. Normally she wouldn’t talk much to me. Only if there was a group discussion. But not that day. She began talking about something but did not adress others. Just me. I started to chat with her about this and that and then I asked her a question about martial arts. I knew that she likes Capoeira but I didn’t expect such a lively conversation. We talked about it for a good half hour and then we turned our attention back to the others at the table. Don’t know if the pheromones helped much as it actually was a subject she really liked, so… hm… **A good friend** 1 Come talk to me Situation: A good friend of mine (30 years old) came over to my place and was in a bad mood. Really bad mood. He has some personal problems but that day he didn’t want to talk about them. I talked a bit about some things but he didn’t utter more then “no”, “yes”, “hm…”. After he was silent for about 15 minutes and I didn’t know how to cheer him up or to help him I thought that maybe he just needed someone to be there. After another 5 minutes of silence I decided to try something. I went to the bathroom, pretending I’d have to go for a pee. There, I applied 1 shot of Come Talk To Me (togo). Don’t know anymore if it was just one. Anyway, I got out, sat back down and after a few minutes I started to talk about something. He said more than before. A few minutes later we were actually talking and 15 minutes after that he told me what he had on his mind (the problem). I’m inclined to believe that the pheromones actually might have had an effect. Sceptical thought: Could also have been that he just needed some time. **Some girl** 1 Ammunition, 1 Instant Gentleman, 1 Instant Honesty, 1 Instant Openness Situation: I know a woman (23 years old) who lives in my house (around 80 people here) and we already met in other situations with other people present. I knew that she likes me somewhat but we never talked that much and we didn’t know so much about each other. Then, she once asked me and a few others if we could watch a movie together. We agreed and as I own a projector and a screen (like in movie theaters) we watched the movie in my appartment. I wore the mix as described above (don’t know if I added Instant Shine 2X) and it was a nice evening with a lot of conversation afterwards. We repeated that evening with another movie and it was the same situation, basically. She divided her attention equally among the people. One day she knocked at my door and asked if I’d like to enjoy the sunny weather and to take a stroll through a nearby park. I had a lot of work to do so I declined but asked if she’d like to go swimming some time. She said that she’d like to and we said goodbye. A few days later she sent me a message and asked about the trip to the indoor swimming pool and I said ‘yeah why not’. It was a very nice trip and we talked about a few things but the interesting part is that she seemed to trust me. I wore some mix I can’t remember (Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, Ammo and Gentleman may have been in it) which obviously must have gone after the swimming. But while we where there, she always stayed close to me. We decided to watch another movie that evening and met in my appartment later. Just me and her. Again the mix I described above. But we never came to the watching part because we were talking about many things. And more and more she started to tell me personal things and she also asked personal questions. I’m pretty sure that she just likes me because she talked about some guy she likes and what I think she should do and stuff. (My thoughts were "forget that jackass and stay the night - here… 😃). May have been the pheromones but could also just be my natural aura. Many people naturally trust me - without pheromones. So, there you have it. A few experiences where I think that pheromones could have played a role. But I’m sceptic as always, of course… 😉 Thoughts, anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Hirogen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hirogen/32/1219_2.png) [@Hirogen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hirogen)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 6:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/55 "2008-09-15T18:13:18Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > in general the effects are fairly subtle Yeah, I think so, too. What I can say from my experience so far is that behavior, mood, self-confidence and stuff like that seem to have more effect on people than other factors. I’m curious what A314 can do, though. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 8:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/56 "2008-09-15T20:12:17Z")
Hey Hirogen, nice to see you coming back with your results. 🙂 I’d say that the capoeira woman, swimming woman, and your friend are hits. Russian cashier might be, if she’s always that way as well. Yes, capoeira might be a favorite subject of hers, but how exactly did that conversation come up? Did she bring it up? Did you bring it up? How exactly did the conversation come to pass? I doubt she just starting taking about her favorite thing. I assume it was mostly small talk, which progressed to excercise/martial arts and from there capoeira. No? With Russian cashier, as you said, maybe it was just a different day. You can try alternating mixes to see how she reacts. With your friend, 20 minutes he doesn’t reallly talk, 5 minutes later (and 5 minutes by himself) he’s willing to talk, and within another 15, he’s spiliing the beans. It’s not the most dramatic change, but 40 minutes isn’t exactly slow either. You never had to spend an entire day with someone because they wouldn’t spill it, but clearly looked down and out? I have, and I’d take 40 minutes over the whole day. Just spill it so we can get it outta the way and have fun, yea? 🙂 Finally, swimming girl. That’s probably the biggest hit. She’s basically initiating everything with you. Wanted to watch movies, wanted to go for a walk, wanted to go swimming, wanted to watch another movie with you (alone I assume 🙂) and you guys never even made it to the movie. That’s usually chemistry of some sort. A girl just doesn’t make THAT much effort to hang with a guy unless there’s some chemistry. Also, when a girl talks to me about some other guy, more often than not, they have been into me, but never found a way to express that directly to me. It’s like, hey look! I’m into guys, and guys are into me, how about you? I think you’re well on your way, and [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) seems to be a good one for you, But it’s kinda hard to tell. Have you seen hits with each individual product yet? That might help with the ratios of your combos. ---
**Author:** ![Hirogen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hirogen/32/1219_2.png) [@Hirogen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hirogen)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 11:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/57 "2008-09-15T23:02:28Z")
Hey Phya, > [@Phya](#): > > Yes, capoeira might be a favorite subject of hers, but how exactly did that conversation come up? Well, I thought about which martial art to choose (I’d like to learn Jiu Jitsu or Taiji quan, etc.) and I asked her directly about it because I knew that she had tried some. I think the subject was somewhat initiated with some small talk about free time. > [@Phya](#): > > With your friend, …] but 40 minutes isn’t exactly slow either. Well, normally he comes to my place, we talk about some stuff and then after 10 minutes or so we talk about personal stuff. It’s really that fast, usually. If he is just in a bad mood (like I described above) and doesn’t want to talk at all I just let him be silent and we go for a walk. He usually opens up after a while then which can be between 15 minutes to 1 hour. The specific day I mentioned, I just wanted to try something different but normally people open up after a while and as my buddy and me are close friends who share a lot of thoughts it just works even better. People just naturally trust me. > [@Phya](#): > > Also, when a girl talks to me about some other guy, more often than not, they have been into me, but never found a way to express that directly to me. It’s like, hey look! I’m into guys, and guys are into me, how about you? One of my friends hinted to that possibility, too. Well, we’ll see what happens. But you’re right. With me, she really initiates a lot. Way more than any girls I know here. I’ll see her tomorrow evening in a café with one or two other guys. Any phero suggestions for that? > [@Phya](#): > > Have you seen hits with each individual product yet? I guess, just Ammo and Come talk to me. Didn’t have too much possibilities to test just one product. And somehow I always feel like “if I just use this one without any others I’ll miss a chance”, which may be ridiculous, but well… ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/58 "2008-09-16T09:23:23Z")
Well, I’m sure you know your friends well. As far as phero recommendations, I know the feeling of possibly missing out on something, but you may be surprised by the effectiveness of a single product at the right dose. 🙂 I recommend testing with Instant Openness and Instant Honesty so you can see how they differ. Then you’ll see CTTM in a different light. [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) is also worth taking some time to find your sweet spots. Instant Shine..well that just belongs everywhere, so find your spots with that as well. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 2:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/59 "2008-09-16T14:51:00Z")
Hiro … perhaps a wingman. Go out with ~no~ pheros to some place on … a Wednesday night … and have your wingman notice how people respond to you. Then repeat next Wednesday with pheros, same place, hopefully some same people, and have wingman notice differences if any. Girls are usually better reading the non-verbal signals of other girls, so perhaps a female wing ?? ---
**Author:** ![Tenant](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tenant/32/1668_2.png) [@Tenant](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tenant)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 3:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365/60 "2008-09-16T15:32:28Z")
Nice report (#54), reps. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365.md?page=2) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-see-effects-or-compare-situations/18365.md?page=4)