# How can you tell what a 'Hit' is? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 29, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620 "2010-11-29T20:50:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/1 "2010-11-29T20:50:17Z")
I don’t know what’s been going on lately, but even since I’ve gotten mones, I’ve 1. gotten a couple of numbers easily from bars and clubs, 2. had the most extremely cute girl come up to me in class to ask me for notes (when other people were available around her to accommodate her), 3.i’ve had a couple of encounters with a friend’s girl. 4.I went out with my friend, 2 of his friends, his girl and a couple of her friends this past weekend, (we all met for the first time). The mones seemed to be working, i got them to laugh easy, we all were having fun. they said how much they preferred me to my friend and his 2 friends, and even cussed them out and hung with me the whole night. But through it all, i’ve still ultimately gotten nothing out of it. I was excited about how much easier things were with mones BUT: 1.i’d get the numbers: but when i texted them i get no response. 2.the girl from class with the notes, i txted her, not even about going out just about class, and now i’m getting ignored. class is done now, so i’ll never even see her again 3.my friend’s girl is now acting weird around me (which i expected anyway, so this isn’t that big of a deal) 4. I just found out my friend’s gf’s friends didnt have any fun that night and don’t want to see any of us again. So i don’t know, i’d take it to mean that all these situations were ‘hits’ initially. but in the end, they are just negative experiences, i never even get a follow up with any girl that shows a bit of interest. Am I just misreading what a ‘hit’ is? ---
**Author:** ![p8ntman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7993a0/32.png) [@p8ntman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/p8ntman)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/2 "2010-11-29T21:01:16Z")
> [@How to Tell a Woman is Interested In You -- The Master "Indicators of Interest List"](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-tell-a-woman-is-interested-in-you-the-master-indicators-of-interest-list/8333): > > Multiple looks. Women have much better If you catch us looking at you more than once, it’s probably becuse we’re attracted and we can’t help it. You catching us looking at all. Women look at you fast. If you catch us looking at you, this may be because we’re attracted. Not always (I get horrified when I see someone catching me looking when I’m not actually interested), but often. You guys have muscle, but we have social muscles. WHen you catch us being less than discreet, we often mean it and/… Is this what your looking for? I honestly dont know what to tell you Iv had negative reactions before OD on -none bad experience ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/3 "2010-11-29T21:02:21Z")
Hmm looks like you had hits… not so sure why your outcomes aren’t so great. Keep at it? Something went wrong somewhere, but I don’t think it was solely the mones… ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/4 "2010-11-29T21:04:41Z")
> [@p8ntman](#): > > [How to Tell a Woman is Interested In You -- The Master "Indicators of Interest List"](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-tell-a-woman-is-interested-in-you-the-master-indicators-of-interest-list/8333) > > Is this what your looking for? > > I honestly dont know what to tell you Iv had negative reactions before OD on -none bad experience thanks, but this isn’t really what i meant. The problem is that I noticed IOIs during the 4 encounters I listed. But when it came down to it, it seems like they weren’t interested at all, but I just KNOW they must have been interested when they were with me… ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/5 "2010-11-29T21:10:12Z")
> [@Maidenfan01](#): > > Hmm looks like you had hits… not so sure why your outcomes aren’t so great. > > Keep at it? Something went wrong somewhere, but I don’t think it was solely the mones… yeah, I initially thought they were hits, I did everything right, they seemed interested, and I hinted at interest. I’m actually really surprised the girl from class is ignoring me. There must have been a reason she came straight to me to ask for the assignment, asked me to come downstairs to photocopy the sheets, gave me her number and agreed to study with me. I even noticed her stroking her hair last class (IOI) when I looked in her direction and she came in with a really nice new hairstyle (I assumed it was for me because she doesn’t talk to anyone else in the class) I guess in the end I’m still just a loser, even with the mones. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/6 "2010-11-29T21:13:59Z")
Did you create a lasting attraction that moved on to the next day? Were you too forward? One thing is getting the numbers but the next day there has to be enough attraction there to further things along after the fact. Are you giving the creeper vibe during the interaction? There are so many things that explain why you got these things with mones, and why they’re avoiding you like the plague the next day. ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/7 "2010-11-29T21:14:03Z")
It’s been stated time and time again. Mones get you the opening,. but you stillhave to do most of the work ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 9:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/8 "2010-11-29T21:46:50Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Did you create a lasting attraction that moved on to the next day? > > Were you too forward? > > One thing is getting the numbers but the next day there has to be enough attraction there to further things along after the fact. > > Are you giving the creeper vibe during the interaction? > > There are so many things that explain why you got these things with mones, and why they’re avoiding you like the plague the next day. I don’t really think I was too forward with anyone. I’ve toned down my game recently and THOUGHT it was going better… 1. The girls I got the numbers from at the bar and club, one of them actually came up to me first and said hi. So I thought there’s no way she’s not interested, gamed her the rest of the way and got her #. 2. The girl from class, I caught her staring at me the week before, and then the next week she comes straight to me to ask for notes. On the way downstairs I just asked her if she wanted to study for the final she agreed and I asked for her number, it was a good convo on the way down, she laughed at everything, followed me when I went the wrong way twice. But then I txt her to study together and she waits like 3 days and then says she’s too busy. 3. When I was with my friend’s gf’s friends, we were having fun. I was the alpha male in the group, felt good, danced with them a bit. They did get upset at my friend’s friends and the guys had to leave early, so it was just the 5 of us left. I msg both her friend’s the next day and apologized for the other 2 guys and asked them if they wanted to go out again next weekend. Got ignored again, and now my friend’s gf tells me they didnt have any fun, were very upset by the other two guys and never want to see us again. I really don’t know what I’m doing wrong anymore, I thought I was the man these past few months, but I ultimately still got nothing. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/9 "2010-11-29T21:52:43Z")
I have no idea. There’s gotta be something there you didn’t noticed, but for this to happen to one group of girls can happen, but for most of your interactions, there has to be something there that either you haven’t said (unknowingly) or they didn’t tell you. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 9:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/10 "2010-11-29T21:53:34Z")
> [@masu](#): > > I don’t really think I was too forward with anyone. I’ve toned down my game recently and THOUGHT it was going better… > > 1. The girls I got the numbers from at the bar and club, one of them actually came up to me first and said hi. So I thought there’s no way she’s not interested, gamed her the rest of the way and got her #. > > 2. The girl from class, I caught her staring at me the week before, and then the next week she comes straight to me to ask for notes. On the way downstairs I just asked her if she wanted to study for the final she agreed and I asked for her number, it was a good convo on the way down, she laughed at everything, followed me when I went the wrong way twice. But then I txt her to study together and she waits like 3 days and then says she’s too busy. > > 3. When I was with my friend’s gf’s friends, we were having fun. I was the alpha male in the group, felt good, danced with them a bit. Then did get upset at my friend’s friends and they had to leave early, so it was just the 5 of us left. I msg both her friend’s the next day and apologized for the other 2 guys and asked them if they wanted to go out again next weekend. Got ignored again, and now my friend’s gf tells me they didnt have any fun, were very upset by the other two guys and never want to see us again. > > I really don’t know what I’m doing wrong anymore, I thought I was the man these past few months, but I ultimately still got nothing. Dude, it could be anything. Maybe, the girl you met at the bar just wanted to get laid, and the other girls you talked to have boy friends. Plus, some like rich or popular guys or whatever. Don’t let this type of thing bother you. Just go out and have fun and don’t worry about the outcome. Just dont go out breaking laws or hurting others. That is all. Once, I realized that I can actually get a few girls to date me SERIOUSLY whenever I wanted, Now, I just go out and have fun and if I pick up someone great. IF not, oh well. Just be whatever and continue to improve yourself by working out, doing well in school, getting a stable job, developing manly personality, etc. In the end, that is what is going to help you. Mones are great, but Mones + MONEY + looks + prestige is even more powerful 😉 ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 10:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/11 "2010-11-29T22:04:18Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > In the end, that is what is going to help you. Mones are great, but Mones + MONEY + looks + prestige is even more powerful 😉 I know I’m not the most good looking guy, which psychologically and biologically makes me more inclined to feel worse at these lost opportunities, because they are few and far between. I think what is upsetting me most is the extreme 2-faced attitude of all these girls. They all seem very interested around me, yet when I txt I get ignored. When we were outside the bar, my friend’s gf’s friend even invited me and his girl to go out next weekend…Maybe the A314 intimidated them into acting friendly around me? I know that sounds pretty messed up, but maybe they were just really scared of me and tried to get on my good side, when in reality they hated me? I don’t know… Im also thinking maybe my friend’s gf lied to me about them not wanting to see me, maybe because she’s jealous, or doesn’t want me getting close to her friends. I know women are conniving like that, who knows what she is telling them about me. Hopefully it will help me out in the end. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 10:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/12 "2010-11-29T22:07:39Z")
> [@masu](#): > > I know I’m not the most good looking guy, which psychologically and biologically makes me more inclined to feel worse at these lost opportunities, because they are few and far between. > > I think what is upsetting me most is the extreme 2-faced attitude of all these girls. They all seem very interested around me, yet when I txt I get ignored. When we were outside the bar, my friend’s gf’s friend even invited me and his girl to go out next weekend…Maybe the A314 intimidated them into acting friendly around me? I know that sounds pretty messed up, but maybe they were just really scared of me and tried to get on my good side, when in reality they hated me? I don’t know… It happens all the time, even to GOOD LOOKING guys. It happens to all kinds of guys. You don’t think guys like Mystery don’t get rejected a lot? He probably has more rejection than all of us, but also, more success than all of us. Why? Because he doesn’t let it affect him and he goes out continuing to game more girls. The fact that these things are bothering you tells me that there is some inner game issues. Girls can pick up on that. Also, A314 really is for SERIOUS dating. They are young and probably just want to get to know you. Go with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) or IG for now. Use A314 with a lot of IS and Io, otherwise… ---
**Author:** ![ronnierw](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ronnierw/32/511_2.png) [@ronnierw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ronnierw)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 10:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/13 "2010-11-29T22:13:41Z")
> [@Blacky\_Chan](#): > > It’s been stated time and time again. Mones get you the opening,. but you stillhave to do most of the work A lot of good post and advice here. I have to emphasize Blacky Chans post. You have to followup and keep the interest going. If you were a quarterback, would you put half your arm in to a 50 yard pass for a touchdown? No, you follow through and you know you have a better chance at scoring a touchdown. ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/14 "2010-11-29T22:15:56Z")
> [@ronnierw](#): > > A lot of good post and advice here. I have to emphasize Blacky Chans post. You have to followup and keep the interest going. > If you were a quarterback, would you put half your arm in to a 50 yard pass for a touchdown? No, you follow through and you know you have a better chance at scoring a touchdown. What are you saying? I should txt these girls again? I think it’s too late… I’ll wait until the end of the week and maybe just write a final text to them all maybe try to catch them when they are drunk ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 4:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/15 "2010-11-30T04:19:09Z")
Your problem my friend is with dry scalp…well not really but it IS still flaking. A couple of things about that, usually when a girl shows IOI’s and gives out her number it’s because her buying temperature is ramped up…it’s state based. Look at it like this. It’s Saturday night, she’s got her makeup on, skirt so short she’s one sneeze away from showing the world her natural hair color, top cut so low you can yell “damn you got great cleavage” at her tits and hear “damn you got great cleavage eavage vage” echo back at you. The lights are flashing and the music is thumping and she’s likely got a few drinks her…now imagine her head space. You get the number. Fast forward, her hairs a mess, no makeup, likely in sweats eating ice cream out of the carton while watching tv and trying to balance her checkbook…what’s her head space now? You’re “the club guy” or whatever. Even if you’re not at a club, the point is valid…you can build attraction and score a number, that’s actually pretty easy but by the time you get around to using it she’s been thinking “what do I really know about this guy? I can’t believe I gave him my number” her antislut defense kicks in and she ignores your messages. Assuming she even gave you her real number to begin with. To get around it you have to make sure your game is well rounded. Do NOT ask for the number to soon, and ideally you should try to make her bring up the issue of exchanging numbers anyway. Four things you should try to do before asking for the number. Grounded value. This is usually done during comfort. Storytelling that flips the attraction switches. She needs to see you as a real person and not “that guy I met at such and such club” This actually means letting her buying temperature cool off and take her OUT of state. Unless you plan on closing right away, you don’t want her all ramped up when you leave and some other guy comes along. You need to convey your value beyond some cute guy, fun guy etc. Investment via compliance. The more hoops you can get her to jump through the more likely she is to actually accept/return your calls…she’s invested at this point and not seeing you again makes all the hoops she jumped through..a waste of her time. Screening questions, and compliance testing is the best way to do this. Future pacing. After attraction is established, lead her around and introduce her to your friends, even total strangers. Say stuff like “hey guys congratulate us this is my new fiance” if she protests laugh it off and say “she’s just mad because she made me promise not to tell anyone…don’t we look good together?” Or talk jokingly about what kind of gift you should bring her dad when you meet him for the first time. These should be done playfully enough that she knows you’re not a crazy stalker type…but it plants the seed about a hypothetical future with the two of you together that will bounce around in the back of her mind. If you’ve demonstrated enough attractive qualities she’ll think to herself “hmmm we DO look kinda good together” “I wonder if my dad would actually like him” Intrigue, with any stories..hell even a joke or two, leave one hanging and unresolved, an element of curiosity to give her a reason to take that call when you make it. So yeah, an unresolved story to leave her intrigued and wanting to know more, a seed about a possible future with you as opposed to the heat of the now moment guy, investment because she doesn’t want to have actually paid for your drink and have it be for nothing, and some quiet comfort building where you establish yourself as a real and down to earth person. That should eliminate the flakes and the itchiness that comes with them…if all else fails try Head and Shoulders. ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 5:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/16 "2010-11-30T05:18:04Z")
One thing I have done in the past is give them your number and call them out on their flakiness right then and there. Tell them to text you at a certain time. You won’t believe how well this works, most women will react very strongly to a challenge, and most of them will text you when you told them too. Continue joking about them being flakey and tell them to meet you somewhere for coffee… its worked more than once for me 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 5:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/17 "2010-11-30T05:36:57Z")
> [@Maidenfan01](#): > > One thing I have done in the past is give them your number and call them out on their flakiness right then and there. Tell them to text you at a certain time. You won’t believe how well this works, most women will react very strongly to a challenge, and most of them will text you when you told them too. Continue joking about them being flakey and tell them to meet you somewhere for coffee… its worked more than once for me 🙂 also, if they flake more than once, forget her. There are better girls out there. Remember you are the good catch and they are whatever 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GorMas2020](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gormas2020/32/197_2.png) [@GorMas2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorMas2020)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 1:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/18 "2010-11-30T13:51:38Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > Your problem my friend is with dry scalp…well not really but it IS still flaking. **NICE** > > …ideally you should try to make her bring up the issue of exchanging numbers anyway. **I really think this is the most important part to getting a better chance of her to respond** > > …Unless you plan on closing right away, you don’t want her all ramped up when you leave and some other guy comes along. You need to convey your value beyond some cute guy, fun guy etc. **If women come on strong, If I’m interested, I take them home because that is another good way to get a 2nd meeting. You don’t have to sleep with them. I think it builds more comfort and trust that allows you to get into the “potential category” and not the “fun club guy” category like your saying Which allows her to respond while eating that ice cream balancing her checkbook.** > > Intrigue, with any stories..hell even a joke or two, leave one hanging and unresolved, an element of curiosity to give her a reason to take that call when you make it. **You gotta leave her wanting more!!!** > > That should eliminate the flakes and the itchiness that comes with them…if all else fails try Head and Shoulders. **Analogy complete lmao** dandruff IMO has a very good attractant quality to it. Don’t buy Head and Shoulders just shake your head all over the potential target and let the dandruff magic work for you… Even better than tuth to get the juices flowing… **disclaimer: RESULTS MAY VARY** **side effects include: black eyes and vomiting** 😛 ---
**Author:** ![phissith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@phissith](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phissith)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 3:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/19 "2010-11-30T15:21:04Z")
Masu, I think there a chance that the girl friend is indeed jealous, also OD is another possibility. Did you use that same amount the whole time or did you amp up the dosage. I myself like to know once you leave the proximity of mones does woman still linger on about how attractive you were to her, or does it goes like WTF did I see in him spell bound and spells just wore off? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620/20 "2010-11-30T17:39:26Z")
There is a difference between a “hit” and a “close”. My guess is that you may not be congruent to the vibe, your results are indicative of that. Take a look at some of the posts from some of the seasoned people here about congruency. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-can-you-tell-what-a-hit-is/43620.md?page=2)