# how come pheros r never endorsed by Mystery, Style,Tyler etc. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 14, 2007, 3:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091 "2007-08-14T03:55:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jamesmathers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/90ced4/32.png) [@jamesmathers](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesmathers)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 3:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/1 "2007-08-14T03:55:05Z")
or; is this really there secret weapon, and dont want the word to get out? is this the secret that drove Styles fun filled adventures in “The Game”? my friend just did a Pickup 101 “day game” seminar from Lance Mason. So hes been approaching women all over sydney, totally cold approaches, bus stops, car parks, shopping malls, supermarkets, etc… for 2 solid months…evrywhere and anywhere. They taught him to be very direct in approach “i just had to tell u the most attractive girl ive seen all day, go 4 a coffee?”, and hes been rejected by well over 250 women. So i told him to get his 2500 dollars back. I mean dont get me wrong, it teaches u approach artistry and if youre a decent looking guy, youre bound 2 get somewhere by virtue of numbers game. But my friend is not good looking, infact he makes Costanza look sharp and JamesBondish 🙂 - so, anyways,i told him to combine his “game” stuff with pheros and c what happens. The irony is the guy thinks pheros r a scam but spends 2500 dollars on “art of rapport” workshop. I told him “just wear IFM, and it might bring it out in u anyway, without cheessy canned material”. So yesterday where in a mall, and he goes to a shop assitant, “xcuse me, ya lookng abit bored, ill tell ya what, im gonna get u a coffee, then come back in an hr., and if youre still bored, im gonna give u a spanking”, as he winks at her. Mate, i recoiled in embarassment and disgust. I pulled him out of the set and said “mate i have but 1 word for you…PHEREMONES”…🙂 ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 4:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/2 "2007-08-14T04:18:33Z")
because they wanna make money for teaching shit and not for products taht they ahve to spend $ producing and stuff…? ---
**Author:** ![m3turbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/m3turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 5:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/3 "2007-08-14T05:39:16Z")
I will give mystery a little credit though. Even though he looks like the world’s bigest tool he knows what he is talking about when it comes to the social dynamics of the bar scene. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 5:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/4 "2007-08-14T05:42:43Z")
You nailed it. Of course he might endorse [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) if he got a kickback or big slice of the pie. Imagine for $5000.00 you get a folder of BS resources, a workshop, mini makeover and bottle of Ammo. A bow-wow guy would have a lot better chance… ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 1:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/5 "2007-08-14T13:47:06Z")
I don’t think Pheros are solution to the OP’s friend’s problems anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Holmes](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/holmes/32/2128_2.png) [@Holmes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Holmes)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 3:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/6 "2007-08-14T15:39:00Z")
> [@smn1234](#): > > because they wanna make money for teaching shit and not for products taht they ahve to spend $ producing and stuff…? Bingo was his name. ---
**Author:** ![ProtoJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@ProtoJay](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ProtoJay)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/7 "2007-08-14T15:56:53Z")
Id prefer they never were… Firstly, when money is involved at that level, it opens up scams and dishonest practice… Also, imagine your edge from wearing a little ammo and A314 disappearing because half of the people in the room are wearing it also… Id rather pheromones be considered as they are now, if too many people use it, it becomes less valuable… ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/8 "2007-08-14T17:38:43Z")
Sheez, man… women aren’t like that… in the real real world there are plenty of women who want to have sex without the baggage of a full time relationship… the factor that makes their ways unlike men is they want to know you for a while… so the real deal is to know a lot of women for some time, don’t put any moves on them, let them check you out, think about it a little bit… usually the thing that blows it is when they sense they are being hustled… so if you’re on good terms with some women, they know you for a couple of months, a certain percentage will get hot for you… it’s really simple, women like to talk, they like guys who know how to talk to them… there must of be a ton of women who love to talk to guys but get so sick of being cornered in some contrived trip, so they then go talk to gay guys… try a thought xperiment… you’re being your hetero guy self and another guy walks up to you out of nowhere and starts up with some fucky headtrip… like, what are your reactions, you sort of freak out right ? WTF is this crazed dude doing talking about my hot bulge ? OK… for real, there’s this guy in my office building, he’s lonely, he’s guy crazy, and he has a seriously messed up boundary problem or three… great… good for him… whatever… his thing is to come into the men’s room while you’re taking a leak, park himself in the urinal right next to you, turn and give you a big sincere look and says Hiiiiiiiii in this wack sugary voice… sheeeeeit… right in the middle of the day, with other guys around… boy, you’re NOT thinking hey what an interesting human being I should get to know… you’re thinking how do I get my bladder drained in five seconds flat and bolt out the door ???.. and this nutcase does this all the time… I kinda suspect these over the top hustles are having roughly the same effect on most women…🙂 🙂 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 10:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/9 "2007-08-14T22:42:45Z")
> [@jamesmathers](#): > > or; > > is this really there secret weapon, and dont want the word to get out? > is this the secret that drove Styles fun filled adventures in “The Game”? > > my friend just did a Pickup 101 “day game” seminar from Lance Mason. So hes been approaching women all over sydney, totally cold approaches, bus stops, car parks, shopping malls, supermarkets, etc… for 2 solid months…evrywhere and anywhere. They taught him to be very direct in approach “i just had to tell u the most attractive girl ive seen all day, go 4 a coffee?”, and hes been rejected by well over 250 women. So i told him to get his 2500 dollars back. > > I mean dont get me wrong, it teaches u approach artistry and if youre a decent looking guy, youre bound 2 get somewhere by virtue of numbers game. But my friend is not good looking, infact he makes Costanza look sharp and JamesBondish 🙂 - so, anyways,i told him to combine his “game” stuff with pheros and c what happens. The irony is the guy thinks pheros r a scam but spends 2500 dollars on “art of rapport” workshop. I told him “just wear Instant Female Magic, and it might bring it out in u anyway, without cheessy canned material”. So yesterday where in a mall, and he goes to a shop assitant, “xcuse me, ya lookng abit bored, ill tell ya what, im gonna get u a coffee, then come back in an hr., and if youre still bored, im gonna give u a spanking”, as he winks at her. Mate, i recoiled in embarassment and disgust. I pulled him out of the set and said “mate i have but 1 word for you…PHEREMONES”…🙂 Neil certainly is now aware of pheromones - do a search here for scorpion neil strauss jasmin. Mystery doesn’t even believe in accupuncture, so hard to expect him to be an early adopter of phero technology (read his archives to get an idea). Lance Mason knows his stuff and the physical aspect of what he teaches seems to be quite hard to find elsewhere. That said, having taken a couple of them I think the seminars are overpriced and getting more overpriced over time as he puts up his prices. Not that he is not finding plenty of willing buyers, but one could do better oneself with some thought and research if one lives near good teachers. Sounds like your friend needs better calibration (of which a significant part will be developing an awareness of how others see him) and probably also better physicality. See posts by tacitus here and surfs\_up at LS for starters. Meisner technique, on-camera soap acting class, voice training, Feldenkrais/Alexander bodywork etc. Pheromones aren’t really going to address the core issue here. Thing is I’ll bet plenty of people have told him in some way or other what he is doing wrong. Sometimes it’s just hard to accept and to know what to do about feedback. ---
**Author:** ![Big\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/53a042/32.png) [@Big\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Big_M)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2007, 1:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/10 "2007-08-15T01:10:45Z")
All these how to pick up girls books and videos , May offer some fresh ideas , But you don’t need a book to meet women . weight lift , dress nice , and have a nice personality, And you will do fine, Good looks is a big plus of course . I have yet to know these pick up tricks to work on highly educated , Women, You can always pick up some dumb broad in there twenties , especially if you are in your twenties. My opinion is if a man is in his twenties and has average good looks and you need a book or enroll in some pick up course to give you an edge ,to pick up a girl You are falling for a major scam, And if a man is in his 30s or 40s and doesn’t have the life experience to pick up women without the use of a book or pick up seminar then you are a real sucker. Picking up women , I like to call it meeting women is a numbers game , if you are in a club , and you use a shot gun effect sooner or later you will get phone numbers or leave with someone.🙄 Save your money and invest it , instead of making someone with a how to pick up a broad book rich .😮 LOL ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2007, 5:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/11 "2007-08-15T05:18:37Z")
> [@Big\_M](#): > > All these how to pick up girls books and videos , May offer some fresh ideas , But you don’t need a book to meet women . > > weight lift , dress nice , and have a nice personality, And you will do fine, Good looks is a big plus of course . > > **I have yet to know these pick up tricks to work on highly educated , Women, You can always pick up some dumb broad in there twenties , especially if you are in your twenties**. > My opinion is if a man is in his twenties and has average good looks and you need a book or enroll in some pick up course to give you an edge ,to pick up a girl You are falling for a major scam, And if a man is in his 30s or 40s and doesn’t have the life experience to pick up women without the use of a book or pick up seminar then you are a real sucker. > Picking up women , I like to call it meeting women is a numbers game , if you are in a club , and you use a shot gun effect sooner or later you will get phone numbers or leave with someone.🙄 > > Save your money and invest it , instead of making someone with a how to pick up a broad book rich .😮 LOL you are kidding, right? I wouldn’t call them tricks, but human nature is human nature and people don’t operate much on logic in this domain regardless of intelligence, ageor academic education. [Mind Hacks: Influence (by Robert Cialdini)](http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2006/02/influence_by_robert.html) aren’t you curious as to why otherwise savvy people feel the need to improve themselves in this area beyond lifting weights and dressing nice? ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2007, 8:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/12 "2007-08-15T08:11:01Z")
> [@Big\_M](#): > > All these how to pick up girls books and videos , May offer some fresh ideas , But you don’t need a book to meet women . > > weight lift , dress nice , and have a nice personality, And you will do fine, Good looks is a big plus of course . > > I have yet to know these pick up tricks to work on highly educated , Women, You can always pick up some dumb broad in there twenties , especially if you are in your twenties. > My opinion is if a man is in his twenties and has average good looks and you need a book or enroll in some pick up course to give you an edge ,to pick up a girl You are falling for a major scam, And if a man is in his 30s or 40s and doesn’t have the life experience to pick up women without the use of a book or pick up seminar then you are a real sucker. > Picking up women , I like to call it meeting women is a numbers game , if you are in a club , and you use a shot gun effect sooner or later you will get phone numbers or leave with someone.🙄 > > Save your money and invest it , instead of making someone with a how to pick up a broad book rich .😮 LOL Hmm some good advise and some not so good advise. True taking care of your body and dressing well goes a long way in attracting girls.Most important though in my opinion is communication skills so as to create a strong emotional connection.After all whats the point of unconnected meaningless sex. As far as pick up is concerned whatever your aims in my opinion you cant go past [Charisma Arts - Dating, Attraction and Seduction tips](http://www.Charismaarts.com) ---
**Author:** ![Holmes](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/holmes/32/2128_2.png) [@Holmes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Holmes)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2007, 2:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/13 "2007-08-15T14:59:29Z")
> [@Big\_M](#): > > All these how to pick up girls books and videos , May offer some fresh ideas , But you don’t need a book to meet women . > > weight lift , dress nice , and have a nice personality, And you will do fine, Good looks is a big plus of course . > > I have yet to know these pick up tricks to work on highly educated , Women, You can always pick up some dumb broad in there twenties , especially if you are in your twenties. > My opinion is if a man is in his twenties and has average good looks and you need a book or enroll in some pick up course to give you an edge ,to pick up a girl You are falling for a major scam, **And if a man is in his 30s or 40s and doesn’t have the life experience to pick up women without the use of a book or pick up seminar then you are a real sucker**. > Picking up women , I like to call it meeting women is a numbers game , if you are in a club , and you use a shot gun effect sooner or later you will get phone numbers or leave with someone.🙄 > > Save your money and invest it , instead of making someone with a how to pick up a broad book rich .😮 LOL I must admit that I’m a bit baffled by the statement in bold. If a man in his 30s or 40s doesn’t have the life experience to pick up women without some kind of advice or assistance, then he’s a sucker? I’m sure I’m just not understanding you correctly. As with anything in life, some need help and others don’t. If a guy in his 30s and 40s can take away even one thing from a book or course that hadn’t hadn’t previously occured to him - and that actually resonates with (and, subsequently, works for) him… how is that a bad thing? ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2007, 3:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/14 "2007-08-15T15:41:23Z")
Behaviors ARE skills… the flip side is that Behavioral Skill isn’t taught unless you’re an acting career kid in Los Angeles… I’ve hung out with them in L.A… and, yes, they DO have impressive skills, way above and beyond the average person in the average life… they are impressively good conversationalists, even when they aren’t on intimate terms with the subject of the discussion. They have advantages, such advantages that give them terrific performance edge in love, life, and business… and they also have some terrific limitations, particularly that the get so good at behavior that they begin to confuse behaviors with factual knowledge. So… this could become a form versus substance problem… in truth, to succeed, to make large sums of money, to have the major benefits of life, to minimize life’s problems, you need a LOT of behavioral skill and you need a LOT of substantial knowledge… On the behavioral skill side of the equation… you never stop learning, there is always a teacher or a circumstance that will open up worlds to you that you never imagined… for example, in one class I attend there are students who have been with this one teacher for 5-10 years, why ? because she can give such useful feedback… maybe it is one or two details, maybe it is a whole self attitudinal thing, could be some displacement of anxiety into the hands or feet… or how you connect or don’t connect… but, how are you going to to know that passively going through life ? Maybe you think you are communicating one thing and you are communicating another thing ? Maybe you think you are a good listener and people perceive you as a poor listener ? You need expert feedback on a constant basis… So I spent some good money and went to one of those PUA classes, taught by 3-4 instructor types who went by those strange stage names… funny, isn’t it, the only other type of person I know that uses a public stage name like that are hookers… hmmmm… hookers and PUAs… some unseen connection here ? Anyway… my impression of the PUA “professional caste” was that of very poor listeners… totally hung up on notions of “game” and “frame control”… but their listening skills were complete crap… like, nonexistent… wow, the PUA masters were hopelessly inept amateurs at this most basic component of human connection ? And they didn’t know it ? How could they not know it ? I supppose because they have been so wrapped up in their fantasy lives for so long, becuase they don’t have strong external feedback loops… they’re trapped in this solopsistic fog of behavioral amateurism… OK… on the other side of the equation… often now the things I’m sometimes forced to learn, or are very annoying at first to have to deal with, and I’m clumsy and embarrassed by… slowly begin to take shape as fully integrated behavior in me (meaning, unconscious competence, I’m not even aware that I’m doing them until later) and stuff that would have been crude or off key if done wrong can be seamless, elegant, leaving no traces of itself… ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2007, 5:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/15 "2007-08-15T17:48:22Z")
**so I get this e-mail newletter today** … about how to be a better humpster… alright… now lets say that you’ve worked hard, become more Mysterious… and deeply internalized this message… which boils down to “I don’t need you more than you don’t need me” So… have you got yourself any new skills as a result of this belief ???.. other than the rather banal realization that there are a lot of women in the world… yessss… there are… true… we’ve noticed… But… can you talk to them ? Do they feel heard, or do they feel like they are being put in a container of “game” ? Go humpsters…😮 🙄 😛 😕 _"No one is actually that special. But everyone is that special. That one girl isn’t worth a damned because everyone has a nugget of gold lodged somewhere in their chest. Everyone has some hidden glory. Sometimes it’s hidden very deeply. But there truly are a vast number of interesting, beautiful women, despite their minority status. In that same regard, no single girl is all you’ve made her up to be. Not one. None. No one. Some of you are reading this and thinking about This One Girl You Know. Seriously, not even her. EVEN IF EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT HER IS TRUE! THERE IS A GIRL WHO IS BETTER-LOOKING, SMARTER, FUNNIER, AND NICER. YOU JUST HAVEN’T MET HER YET. That glorious sun goddess is still just another glorious sun goddess. We live on a planet with 6,200,000,000 human beings. And women are in the majority. Seriously, she’s not that special._ _And that’s why you have to kill Beatrice. That muse is only holding you back because what she’s really doing, what she’s really, really accomplishing, is holding you back from being your true, glorious self. Find her seventy thousand superior counterparts. Then return."_ ---
**Author:** ![Big\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/53a042/32.png) [@Big\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Big_M)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2007, 11:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/16 "2007-08-15T23:32:22Z")
The point I was trying to make is Don’t just depend on pick up tricks from a book , I gurantee many men in my age group and much older going back to the cave man days did’nt need methods from a book to pick up chicks LOL . I’ve always done fine with the ladies to the degree I wanted without a book , coach, or $2000 seminar. My statement regarding such books is solely my own opinion , If you choose to go that route more power to you , Just keep this in mind the actual number of success testomonials of men that actually succeeded using these books and seminars I would venture to say is small compared to the actual number of men who will say they tried these pick up tricks from books or seminars and they did’nt work and i wasted my money. When you market a product , You always exagerate or embellish the end result , So you can make more sales , Now you may say there is always exceptions to the rule , But more times then not its right on. example infomercials , Get rich quick , loose weight products etc, P.S don’t be quick to believe personal testomonials , They can be so phony and rigged it’s disgusting. Just offer someone a free product , As i’ll give you this but say some good things about it , And if you really talk it up , there will be more freebees for you . Hey it happens ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2007, 6:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/17 "2007-08-16T06:17:01Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > **so I get this e-mail newletter today** … about how to be a better humpster… alright… now lets say that you’ve worked hard, become more Mysterious… and deeply internalized this message… which boils down to “I don’t need you more than you don’t need me” > > So… have you got yourself any new skills as a result of this belief ???.. other than the rather banal realization that there are a lot of women in the world… yessss… there are… true… we’ve noticed… > > But… can you talk to them ? Do they feel heard, or do they feel like they are being put in a container of “game” ? > > Go humpsters…😮 🙄 😛 😕 > > _"No one is actually that special. But everyone is that special. That one girl isn’t worth a damned because everyone has a nugget of gold lodged somewhere in their chest. Everyone has some hidden glory. Sometimes it’s hidden very deeply. But there truly are a vast number of interesting, beautiful women, despite their minority status. In that same regard, no single girl is all you’ve made her up to be. Not one. None. No one. Some of you are reading this and thinking about This One Girl You Know. Seriously, not even her. EVEN IF EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT HER IS TRUE! THERE IS A GIRL WHO IS BETTER-LOOKING, SMARTER, FUNNIER, AND NICER. YOU JUST HAVEN’T MET HER YET. That glorious sun goddess is still just another glorious sun goddess. We live on a planet with 6,200,000,000 human beings. And women are in the majority. Seriously, she’s not that special._ > > _And that’s why you have to kill Beatrice. That muse is only holding you back because what she’s really doing, what she’s really, really accomplishing, is holding you back from being your true, glorious self. Find her seventy thousand superior counterparts. Then return."_ Lol so true.The way i see it for every authentic thing there are hundreds of fakes whether its Rolexs, Pheromones or Pick up Gurus. ---
**Author:** ![mindset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mindset](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mindset)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2007, 6:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/18 "2007-08-16T06:21:22Z")
> [@Big\_M](#): > > The point I was trying to make is Don’t just depend on pick up tricks from a book , I gurantee many men in my age group and much older going back to the cave man days did’nt need methods from a book to pick up chicks LOL . > > I’ve always done fine with the ladies to the degree I wanted without a book , coach, or $2000 seminar. > My statement regarding such books is solely my own opinion , If you choose to go that route more power to you , Just keep this in mind the actual number of success testomonials of men that actually succeeded using these books and seminars I would venture to say is small compared to the actual number of men who will say they tried these pick up tricks from books or seminars and they did’nt work and i wasted my money. > When you market a product , You always exagerate or embellish the end result , So you can make more sales , Now you may say there is always exceptions to the rule , But more times then not its right on. example infomercials , Get rich quick , loose weight products etc, > P.S don’t be quick to believe personal testomonials , They can be so phony and rigged it’s disgusting. Just offer someone a free product , As i’ll give you this but say some good things about it , And if you really talk it up , there will be more freebees for you . Hey it happens Please don’t comment on the effectiveness of these methods if you’ve never used them. There are men all over the world that attest to the usefulness of each method, and I’m not quoting the testimonials section on their marketing page. ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2007, 6:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/19 "2007-08-16T06:34:36Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > Behaviors ARE skills… the flip side is that Behavioral Skill isn’t taught unless you’re an acting career kid in Los Angeles… I’ve hung out with them in L.A… and, yes, they DO have impressive skills, way above and beyond the average person in the average life… they are impressively good conversationalists, even when they aren’t on intimate terms with the subject of the discussion. > > They have advantages, such advantages that give them terrific performance edge in love, life, and business… and they also have some terrific limitations, particularly that the get so good at behavior that they begin to confuse behaviors with factual knowledge. > > So… this could become a form versus substance problem… in truth, to succeed, to make large sums of money, to have the major benefits of life, to minimize life’s problems, you need a LOT of behavioral skill and you need a LOT of substantial knowledge… > > On the behavioral skill side of the equation… you never stop learning, there is always a teacher or a circumstance that will open up worlds to you that you never imagined… for example, in one class I attend there are students who have been with this one teacher for 5-10 years, why ? because she can give such useful feedback… maybe it is one or two details, maybe it is a whole self attitudinal thing, could be some displacement of anxiety into the hands or feet… or how you connect or don’t connect… but, how are you going to to know that passively going through life ? Maybe you think you are communicating one thing and you are communicating another thing ? Maybe you think you are a good listener and people perceive you as a poor listener ? You need expert feedback on a constant basis… > > So I spent some good money and went to one of those PUA classes, taught by 3-4 instructor types who went by those strange stage names… funny, isn’t it, the only other type of person I know that uses a public stage name like that are hookers… hmmmm… hookers and PUAs… some unseen connection here ? > > Anyway… my impression of the PUA “professional caste” was that of very poor listeners… totally hung up on notions of “game” and “frame control”… but their listening skills were complete crap… like, nonexistent… wow, the PUA masters were hopelessly inept amateurs at this most basic component of human connection ? And they didn’t know it ? How could they not know it ? I supppose because they have been so wrapped up in their fantasy lives for so long, becuase they don’t have strong external feedback loops… they’re trapped in this solopsistic fog of behavioral amateurism… > > OK… on the other side of the equation… often now the things I’m sometimes forced to learn, or are very annoying at first to have to deal with, and I’m clumsy and embarrassed by… slowly begin to take shape as fully integrated behavior in me (meaning, unconscious competence, I’m not even aware that I’m doing them until later) and stuff that would have been crude or off key if done wrong can be seamless, elegant, leaving no traces of itself… That last paragraph was beautifully expressed.Id be interested in your opinion of my friend Juggler. ---
**Author:** ![mindset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mindset](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mindset)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2007, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091/20 "2007-08-16T17:09:30Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > **so I get this e-mail newletter today** … about how to be a better humpster… alright… now lets say that you’ve worked hard, become more Mysterious… and deeply internalized this message… which boils down to “I don’t need you more than you don’t need me” > > So… have you got yourself any new skills as a result of this belief ???.. other than the rather banal realization that there are a lot of women in the world… yessss… there are… true… we’ve noticed… > > But… can you talk to them ? Do they feel heard, or do they feel like they are being put in a container of “game” ? > > Go humpsters…😮 🙄 😛 😕 > > _"No one is actually that special. But everyone is that special. That one girl isn’t worth a damned because everyone has a nugget of gold lodged somewhere in their chest. Everyone has some hidden glory. Sometimes it’s hidden very deeply. But there truly are a vast number of interesting, beautiful women, despite their minority status. In that same regard, no single girl is all you’ve made her up to be. Not one. None. No one. Some of you are reading this and thinking about This One Girl You Know. Seriously, not even her. EVEN IF EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT HER IS TRUE! THERE IS A GIRL WHO IS BETTER-LOOKING, SMARTER, FUNNIER, AND NICER. YOU JUST HAVEN’T MET HER YET. That glorious sun goddess is still just another glorious sun goddess. We live on a planet with 6,200,000,000 human beings. And women are in the majority. Seriously, she’s not that special._ > > _And that’s why you have to kill Beatrice. That muse is only holding you back because what she’s really doing, what she’s really, really accomplishing, is holding you back from being your true, glorious self. Find her seventy thousand superior counterparts. Then return."_ What it boils down to is balance as with everything else in life. The Mystery Method works, but at the same time it preys on men who are less fortunate in their self development by whatever means life tends to throw at them, which by the way should never be misconstrued with social ineptitude as everybody on some level is conscious of how we interact, but not always as consistent as others. It is nothing but a method on how to pick-up chicks, and it does nothing to show you how to build your character, social skills, and knowledge base. Yes, you can learn a great deal about life through books, magazines, videos, and so forth, but not as much as through actual experience. Does that mean that his method is useless? Absolutely not. It’s just one component about one aspect in life that you can use to your advantage. I have learned a lot about life by listening to other peoples experiences, and of course, by going through the process of application. I think what people fail to realize about PUA is that it’s just another added piece of knowledge in which you can tweak to your own skillset. The following, and the “community” is like anything else in life… there’s always a bandwagon, and most of these people on the bandwagon have no clue as to where they’re going. You just have to absorb what you can for yourself, and determine from there what works for you, and I guarantee it’s not going to come from one single source. That is essentially how we operate, unless you are a mindless drone. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-come-pheros-r-never-endorsed-by-mystery-style-tyler-etc/5091.md?page=2)