# How do you react to the people who over-respond to your wacky pheromone mixes? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 19, 2007, 12:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-react-to-the-people-who-over-respond-to-your-wacky-pheromone-mixes/2575 "2007-03-19T00:18:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2008, 7:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-react-to-the-people-who-over-respond-to-your-wacky-pheromone-mixes/2575/41 "2008-01-14T07:09:00Z")
Thought I’d sound off on this. I don’t feel that we necessarily owe the responders anything, as long as we aren’t taking advantage of them. Is that possible? If we are in business situation where I am trying to sell the client on an idea or product, and if the pheromones I am using at the time make them feel more comfortable with me, is it wrong for me to take full advantage of that situation and have them sign on the dotted line? I don’t think so, and especially as long as I come through with honesty and integrity and live up to my end of things. Bottom line is that it’s wrong only if you are doing wrong by them. Granted, I do sometimes feel as if I am in the middle of a little white lie when I notice their reaction to what I am wearing, and I do feel a little guilty, but I’m just gonna have to get over that…I have bills to pay. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2008, 7:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-react-to-the-people-who-over-respond-to-your-wacky-pheromone-mixes/2575/42 "2008-01-14T07:41:10Z")
> [@millwark](#): > > Thought I’d sound off on this. > > I don’t feel that we necessarily owe the responders anything, as long as we aren’t taking advantage of them. Is that possible? If we are in business situation where I am trying to sell the client on an idea or product, and if the pheromones I am using at the time make them feel more comfortable with me, is it wrong for me to take full advantage of that situation and have them sign on the dotted line? I don’t think so, and especially as long as I come through with honesty and integrity and live up to my end of things. > > Bottom line is that it’s wrong only if you are doing wrong by them. > > Granted, I do sometimes feel as if I am in the middle of a little white lie when I notice their reaction to what I am wearing, and I do feel a little guilty, but I’m just gonna have to get over that…I have bills to pay. Sure thing man, good if they spend on your quality product and good that you can make the customer feel comfortable and not pressured and there you have it, They are just going to spend the fruits of their labours somewhere anyway to a smooth operator so why not you. You have been given pheromones for a reason and now is the time to use that what is at your disposal with no worries and complete freedom of mind. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2008, 9:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-react-to-the-people-who-over-respond-to-your-wacky-pheromone-mixes/2575/43 "2008-01-14T09:56:15Z")
Millwark, No reason for you or anyone else to feel guilty. pheromones dont change free will. No one is forcing anyone to do something. If they didnt want to buy into the product or idea the pheromones wont change that. Just like with the [sexual pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/sensual-pheromones/). If a girl dosnt want to have sex it dosnt matter what pheromones you wear she is not going to. Sure she may feel aroused but that arousal wont over ride her consious thoughts or free will. Mones enhance, give you a edge. Some people try to convey they have more power then that, when they dont and its why alot of people are so skeptical about them. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2008, 10:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-react-to-the-people-who-over-respond-to-your-wacky-pheromone-mixes/2575/44 "2008-01-14T10:24:51Z")
Well howdy there sexy avatar…I mean Tisha…🙂 Sorry, I got distracted there for a minute. ; ) Well, I do agree with you for the most part Tisha. I do believe that we all have free will, but there are some people who’s free will can be manipulated. I look at A314 and Instant Shine and [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) as my magical elixirs. Heck…even Spaceland has given me the effect I wanted with an old coot customer of mine. This guy is so doggoned old, codgy and hellbent to get me pissed off, I used half a bottle of Spaceland when I went to his house to upgrade his computer. (well, 8 sprays anyway) This guy had a sense of humor for the first damned time in his life. lol He couldn’t have just been having a good day. He never does. So back to my post. People do have free will, but if you mix the right combo of pheromones along with charisma and rapport, the results can be downright phenomenal. I can talk a decent talk when selling, but I would never go back to dealing one on one with people unless I had pheromones to use. The difference in my sales and productivity is far higher since I have been an Androtics customer. Well sheesh, was this a sales pitch for androticsdirect? hmmmmm. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2008, 10:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-react-to-the-people-who-over-respond-to-your-wacky-pheromone-mixes/2575/45 "2008-01-14T10:47:24Z")
> [@](#): > > This guy had a sense of humor for the first damned time in his life. lol He couldn’t have just been having a good day. He never does. You upgraded his computer right ? Which is what you were there for in the first place. So no reason to feel guilt. You would have done it anyway. So what if you wore pheromones that made him happy while you were doing it. > [@](#): > > People do have free will, but if you mix the right combo of pheromones along with charisma and rapport, the results can be downright phenomenal. I agree they can give a person an amazing edge but you need to give yourself some more credit because the charisma and rapport are coming from you not the pheromones. > [@](#): > > Well howdy there sexy avatar…I mean Tisha…🙂 Well at least you didnt blurt boobs like most people do when they see that picture LOL 😉 Just trying trying to recapture summer since its snowing like hell here ☹ Tisha ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2008, 12:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-react-to-the-people-who-over-respond-to-your-wacky-pheromone-mixes/2575/46 "2008-01-14T12:32:14Z")
Hi Tisha, One last post and then it’s off to sleep for a few hours. Had a long night repairing stuff. I agree that I didn’t need the Spaceland to make the sale with the old guy, but I just wanted to try and see if his codginess could be alleviated and it was. Mission accomplished. There have been other times when I walked in a door and just knew that I wasn’t gonna be able to sell a person a single thing, but one particular instance happened just last week. I actually was experimenting that day and had on 3 drops of A314 as opposed to the usual 1 or 2, one shot of Instant Shine on the chest and 3 sprays of [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) on forearms spread evenly between th two of em…and sprayed some Female Magic on the back of my neck and one spray on other side of forearms. You could say I was a sensory experiment under way. To make a long story longer, this woman was a bit apprehensive at first (confirming my initial observation) as far as me being a computer guy she’d never met before, having had bad experiences with others, etc etc. By the time I had the deal closed on a new system, she was non stop talk. She was talking to me about her catering business, about her naughty toy business…I mean…and all the way to my car. She was talking my ear off. I didn’t mind though. We need to expect certain types of behavior if we are gonna try and stimulate that behavior, and know how to run with it as they say. So anyways, what makes you think I was looking at the boobs in the avatar? :o I was actually looking at the … ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 3:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-react-to-the-people-who-over-respond-to-your-wacky-pheromone-mixes/2575/47 "2008-11-01T03:41:11Z")
There have been some interesting posts relating to the ethics of pheromone use recently, so I thought to reference them here in this thread. Here’s a thread where a woman felt harrassed by a man wearing tuth. He didn’t (in his mind) do anything harrassing. However, he did apply a relatively strong dose of a pheromone known to communicate sexual interest and agressiveness. > [@Turn Up the Heat and Instant Gentleman led to a sexual harassment accusation](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-instant-gentleman-nj-girl-sexual-harassment-accusation/22298): > > Hi pherotalk’s people, this is your buddy Yasserthekid1 cool bringing you some bad news about pheros and looking out for my forum’s people so that you guys don’t get this type of anti-reaction that I got a few weeks ago… hope you like the story.. it goes kindda like this… So I decided to stay over at my college’s apartments this one weekend, just to visit a few friends and chill around over there and have a good time (cuz sometimes there are crazy parties going on stuck_out_tongue)… So anyw… We know the pheromones communicate something. How much responsibility is it advisable for the pheromone user to take for the way the communication is iterpreted? The question takes a different tone when the interpretation of the signature involves getting beat up. from thread [Do these pheros look legit?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-these-pheros-look-legit/22242) > [@Do these pheros look legit?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-these-pheros-look-legit/22242/21): > > Even on here when people have AMPLE warnings about the REALITY of androstenone, we’ll still get posts every now and then saying things like “I wore TUTH and a cop got into a fight with me! Wtf?” > > You have to be careful when playing with fire. When it comes to assigning responsibility for this imaginary fight, how culpable is the cop for interpreting our anone user as agressive, and how culable is the anone user? Again from the same thread > [@Do these pheros look legit?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-these-pheros-look-legit/22242/9): > > I think all of the more responsible individuals are a little -none wary. > > Think about it. We’re very cautious with -none. We’ll use it, but label the product wisely so you know what you’re in for. (Turn Up the Heat, Instant Jerk, etc.) > > James Kohl won’t touch the stuff, it seems. He’s a rone man. (Since he seems to like biking as a hobby, maybe he’s a _natural_ -none guy like a lot of other bikers are?) > > Dr. Dodd is a social phero guy. > > Dr. Winifred Cutler seems be all about anything other than androstenone. > > Erox and Pherin weren’t into -none. (but then again, that’s may be because they couldn’t patent it) > > You’ll notice a lot of the sleezier /scammier companies are into -none. (when they include anything in their product at all, that is) > > Then again, most of these companies don’t intend to stay open very long. They don’t really care about people much, they care more for the money in your wallet. Ultimately, they’ll take the money and run should they hurt anybody. > > Whereas the rest of us have reputations to uphold, and we try to be good “citizens of earth”. We certaintly don’t want to mess anybody up. > > I know, in our case, we’ve had long discussions about desiging consumer products to help dress up the “emotional atmosphere” of the world a bit. We’d _hate_ to see a high -none product become truly popular, because of the way it could possibly raise the “emotional temperature” of the planet (making point shorter w/each other, more hot headed, etc.). > > We’d rather give out a high androstenone / high special effect type product as a form of “proof” then steet people towards the more beneficiene stuff. Our planned consumer strategy so far is to give a small sample of “balls to the wall” PheroBomb with Ammo, but have the new Ammo be a good everyday, feel good product that spreads emotional benefits beyond the immediate vicinity of the wearer. > > In this way, if we ever had a true commercial hit, we’d be creating something sort of like “positive pollution” instead of negative. > > it’s a different way of thinking. I like it. I think if more businesses thought this way – if they thought of the “wins” involved for the world at large, beyond their own wins and wins for their end customer – then we’d have a much cleaner, happier planet. > > Whatever we do, we want want to create any new problems in the world, or be part of an existing problem. > > Anyway, I guess that’s why you see the sleezy or callous with their fake or -none products, and the more nurturing type people with products that are more social and beneficient to all. An interesting perspective from Jasmin, explaining an ethos in pheromone marketing that could easily generalize to pheromone use. ---
**Author:** ![Domnk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domnk/32/2269_2.png) [@Domnk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domnk)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 1:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-react-to-the-people-who-over-respond-to-your-wacky-pheromone-mixes/2575/48 "2009-03-05T01:16:29Z")
Brilliant thread! One of the most intellectual rational threads I’ve read so far, kudos to all the contributors!! Now, I would like to add to this conversation and voice my opinion on the subject. The original question: What do we owe the responders? If we are to adequately answer this question we fist must ask ourselves whether or not pure refined social skills, when used to influence others behaviors, emotions, actions, etc., even in the most subtle of ways, is in fact acceptable/ethical. Personal ethics are ambiguous, right and wrong can have completely different meanings from one person to the next. So, should we apply our own moral codes to those of others? In my opinion, no. But it happens every day through the legal system. As mentioned earlier in the thread. There are many parallels between the use of social skills and pheromones, but if we were to restrict pheromones due to ethical concerns then we would have to also to restrict the social aspects as well… Or perhaps, a more reasonable, rather more probable, example would be that if we were to restrict pheromones, would we not then be lead to restrict products which help to enhance natural pheromone production such as vitamins or even celery? It’s not much of a stretch to assume that such legal action could lead to the demarcation of the most basic of rights, when acting upon ethical codes. If you have not picked it up by now, I believe that we have no true finite duty to those responders, because ethics are built upon emotion and emotion is a house of cards, hardly suitable for the base of reason. But this is merely my interpretation of such behaviors.. am I right, yes and no. 😃 The questions are, in this case, more important than answers, because if you give an absolute, there is no question anymore and therefore, no reason for an answer. But hey, some people might see my ethical obscurity as a vice, rather than liberating. Dominick ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-react-to-the-people-who-over-respond-to-your-wacky-pheromone-mixes/2575/49 "2009-03-05T03:27:08Z")
Thanks for bringing this back up. It is an interesting subject. Like all subjects dealing with moral or ethical responsibility this is a slippery slope. You can go too far in either direction. However, the question still begs another question, which is, are you ever responsible for another person’s lack of self control? Pheromones only influence after all. They are not a form of coercion or mind control. And that being the case, I’m more inclined to agree with Lor. I’m still going to pick and choose who I socialize with, who I listen to, who I encourage or discourage. And it is not going to be based on someone being out of control, verbally or otherwise. And as far as accepting the advantage offered by pheromones: Would I sign a contract with someone who offered it to me more readily because of a pheromone I might be wearing? Yes. Am I going to take the job offered to me when I wear a pheromone mix to a job interview? Yes. Am I going to accept that raise because I get cooperation at work when I’m wearing pheromones and garner more respect from coworkers because of it? Yes. Am I going to take advantage of my husband’s increased desire when I’m wearing pheromones and fuck his socks off? Yes. 😛 That’s kinda the point, isn’t it? Otherwise you are taking an advantage you created and sabotaging yourself. Is that wise or healthy or responsible? No. Diane [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-react-to-the-people-who-over-respond-to-your-wacky-pheromone-mixes/2575.md?page=2)