# How do you use Turn Up the Heat? As an attractant, or as a sexual segue? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 3, 2006, 5:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778 "2006-11-03T17:04:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2006, 5:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/1 "2006-11-03T17:04:20Z")
Hey guys, We were wondering how you use Turn Up The Heat. Originally, it was intended to literally “Turn Up The Heat” after you’ve been with someone for awhile (opened them with [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), Instant Shine, etc.), and want to transition to the next stage… something steamier with more physical _oomph_. The _To Go_ version would especially be useful to help “turn the page” to a sexier chapter, since you can keep it on you at all times and use it at just the right moment. Guys in the pickup community might call this a “phase shifter”. Neil Strauss (Style, Annihilation Method), Erik Markovich (Mystery, Mystery Method), etc. However, I’ve also seen that a lot of people try to use it as an attractant itself. Something meant to catch the eye of a willing doe eyed vixen. Guys in the pickup community might say this using TUTH as an “opener”, especially those who use “direct game” (like our own Rob does). Blatant, raw, “I’m the alpha male sex god” energy. This isn’t common today. The bulk of PUAs today use fun energy and comfort to open. Your feedback may lead to a change in it’s diffusion formula, and also affect it’s fragrance. We might reduce the essential oil components if quite a few of you use it as an attractant. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2006, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/2 "2006-11-03T18:28:25Z")
Do NOT change the fragrance! Or, if you do, leave the current version available as “TUTH Classic”. I’m not done figuring this brew out, but I REALLY love it! ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2006, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/3 "2006-11-03T18:45:37Z")
I use it more to create a sexual spark with someone I know when the time is right, which it works quite well at. I really think this is when none works best. Some of my best none hits have come from female friends or associates who I had not directly been trying to seduce. I’ve noticed it with TUTH on at least one occasion I can distinctly recall. Its kind of a forbidden area for me there to be any attraction with friends, but nonetheless the sexual tension has come up with them. Very awkward. Now I do use it as an attractant in clubs or places where alcohol is involved. In those types of settings, none seems to work well, but it does need to be complemented with other mones to sort of ‘open you up’ a bit. However I will say that NPA seems to work better than TUTH in this particular area. Both TUTH and Ammunition feel far less edgy to me than other products, which can be a good or bad thing, depending on what you’re looking for. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2006, 7:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/4 "2006-11-03T19:15:28Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > I use it more to create a sexual spark with someone I know when the time is right, which it works quite well at. I really think this is when none works best. Some of my best none hits have come from female friends or associates who I had not directly been trying to seduce. I’ve noticed it with Turn Up The Heat on at least one occasion I can distinctly recall. Its kind of a forbidden area for me there to be any attraction with friends, but nonetheless the sexual tension has come up with them. Very awkward. > > Now I do use it as an attractant in clubs or places where alcohol is involved. In those types of settings, none seems to work well, but it does need to be complemented with other pheromones to sort of ‘open you up’ a bit. However I will say that NPA seems to work better than TUTH in this particular area. > > Both TUTH and Ammunition feel far less edgy to me than other products, which can be a good or bad thing, depending on what you’re looking for. At which doses do you notice TUTH causes friends to respond with sexual interest? How about clubs? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2006, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/5 "2006-11-03T21:42:08Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > I use it more to create a sexual spark with someone I know when the time is right, which it works quite well at. I really think this is when none works best. Some of my best none hits have come from female friends or associates who I had not directly been trying to seduce. I’ve noticed it with Turn Up The Heat on at least one occasion I can distinctly recall. Its kind of a forbidden area for me there to be any attraction with friends, but nonetheless the sexual tension has come up with them. Very awkward. > > Now I do use it as an attractant in clubs or places where alcohol is involved. In those types of settings, none seems to work well, but it does need to be complemented with other pheromones to sort of ‘open you up’ a bit. However I will say that NPA seems to work better than TUTH in this particular area. > > Both TUTH and Ammunition feel far less edgy to me than other products, which can be a good or bad thing, depending on what you’re looking for. TUTH wasn’t intended to be an NPA like product (which is one of the few products from other manufacturers we really like, btw). We were going to make a product called “Instant Fire”, but we have [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) and Raw Power to create a more ballsy “wild fire” type of effect for running direct game. Ammo was and is still meant to become one of our few truly consumer products, so we don’t want that running too wild, either. We just want it to be easy to use, and provide the best effects it can _without_ producing many negative side effects. Which versions of TUTH and Ammo do you have, btw? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2006, 9:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/6 "2006-11-03T21:44:27Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Do NOT change the fragrance! Or, if you do, leave the current version available as “Turn Up The Heat Classic”. I’m not done figuring this brew out, but I REALLY love it! Don’t worry, honey! As long as we continue to do custom work, you can consider anything we’ve done in the the past to be a future “secret menu item”. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2006, 10:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/7 "2006-11-03T22:18:49Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Turn Up The Heat wasn’t intended to be an NPA like product (which is one of the few products from other manufacturers we really like, btw). We were going to make a product called “Instant Fire”, but we have Instant Jerk and Raw Power to create a more ballsy “wild fire” type of effect for running direct game. Yeah I kinda got that feeling after messing with TUTH. Its a far more ‘controlled’ none product, making it a far more practical product to use. The negative effects aren’t as apparant. Thats what I like about it. Other none products really are a hit or a miss. Or sometimes, a Hit or and OD. I really should give instant jerk a whirl. Copulin mixes are successful for me, but the stench of EW, which people have commented on, is too much. > [@Jasmin](#): > > Ammo was and is still meant to become one of our few truly consumer products, so we don’t want that running too wild, either. We just want it to be easy to use, and provide the best effects it can _without_ producing many negative side effects. > > Which versions of TUTH and Ammo do you have, btw? I have the older version of TUTH and [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). Ammo was from back in april, and the TUTH I have is the version directly before the most recent one. You guys were in the right direction with the ammo I had - it was effective and very easy to use. I did manage to OD on it though it happensed very rarely. It usually happened because Ammo is a little ‘too easy’ to use, and I got careless with dosing. Cutting down the none content in the later batches was probably a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![TaoistBiker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/taoistbiker/32/1117_2.png) [@TaoistBiker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TaoistBiker)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 12:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/8 "2006-11-04T00:26:31Z")
A-none is definitely a tricky beast. I use TUTH (@5mcg) for subtle increases; but also sometimes like the response I get from NPA or PI. I do have higher concentrations of the experimone version for mixing, but now completely leave it out. At the edgy levels, I get the direct sexual response or OD. For some of us older guys, a small amount of a-none seems to refresh a subtle signal of youth or health - if the amount is low. I’ve started NOT using a-none in most mixes and adding it separately and targeting the women/environment that I am in… and carry along a small amount of something a bit more friendly if I overdo it. –TB ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 5:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/9 "2006-11-04T05:23:26Z")
Why not have 3 different versions/products. The first two that you mention: 1. as a ‘phase shifter’ when you still have not hooked up with that person 2. as an ‘raw alpha male’ attractant And possibly also a third version that you may wear just prior to getting physically intimate with someone **when you definitely know what will happen.** 🙂 Not just ‘[Turn Up the Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)’ but a sort of ‘sex/lust enhancer’. Maybe a higher concentration of Anone would be required for this one? Visionary ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 5:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/10 "2006-11-04T05:32:55Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Don’t worry, honey! As long as we continue to do custom work, you can consider anything we’ve done in the the past to be a future “secret menu item”. The scent of TUTH, aside from flat out kicking ass, is half of the secret to why SD-12 smells so damned sexy! ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 9:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/11 "2006-11-04T09:06:21Z")
Hi, I posted my usage of TUTH not too long ago here [The TUTH Files](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-tuth-files/778/8) What I wish for, not just for TUTH, is : - To have core products that remain stable and don’t change much or tweaked. TUTH is one of those, alongside the A314, [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/), IO, IH, maybe IFM & IS. - To have those core products available in optional scents, oil/alchohol base, or unscented. - To have options of concentrations in (some of) them This provides a stable baseline of top products that are working, with options to suit a wide variety of tastes. Then, for the experimental section, anything goes, as the Doc ordered. ---
**Author:** ![slimjim300](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90db22/32.png) [@slimjim300](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/slimjim300)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 5:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/12 "2006-11-04T17:56:36Z")
“- To have those core products available in optional scents, oil/alchohol base, or unscented.” I’ll definately agree with this. I have a big collection of nice colognes, and I always wear them. No matter how good the fragrance smells in the [pheromone](https://a314.com/) mixture, I’m going to wear my own stuff. I’m worried that mones that automatically come with a fragrance will clash with whatever I already wear. ---
**Author:** ![TaoistBiker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/taoistbiker/32/1117_2.png) [@TaoistBiker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TaoistBiker)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 9:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/13 "2006-11-06T21:21:50Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > Why not have 3 different versions/products. > > The first two that you mention: > > 1. as a ‘phase shifter’ when you still have not hooked up with that person > 2. as an ‘raw alpha male’ attractant > > And possibly also a third version that you may wear just prior to getting physically intimate with someone **when you definitely know what will happen.** 🙂 Not just ‘Turn Up the Heat’ but a sort of ‘sex/lust enhancer’. Maybe a higher concentration of Androstenone would be required for this one? > > Visionary That’s a great question. It is my view of game that drives my usage. Attraction: a process containing phases that you run that can sometimes finish in less that 30 seconds; but need to go back into regularly even if you are in a relationship. Women process information sooo rapidly that if you are doing approaches you want to be able to generate attraction in any situation without relying on pheros. Pheros take time to work and time can be the enemy here. So pheros are just wardrobe to me – bio-psychological peacocking that may or may not have time to work. 🆒 Trust & Comfort (Rapport Building): a process that involves verbal and non-verbal communication and linkage of shared experience. If I am interested in a woman, I always find a way to seque from from the first process to the second before setting up a meeting/date. If I cannot change venues that evening, I don’t want to end the interaction without planning a next meeting. Then, exchanging numbers/contact info is a natural part of the interaction and not something that I am really asking for. Often, I get the number without prompting. You’ve come very close to what I am looking for. The first I call “an opener” and it needs to NOT repel males. Many sets have men that are far easier to deal with from a friendly but slightly authoritive place ignoring or reframing AMOG behavior as I go. A314 gives me sufficient alpha vibe that I can spin any way I want with add-ons. Just a little a-none and IS/IH can be very disarming and quite controllable. The last one, the “seduction mix” IMO needs to be targeted to the amp the responses of the woman that I am with. I could start with a base mix and change it to match where she indicates she is going. Kind of like an accelerator. For this, I do like the classics. For me, that means a-none, a-nol, A314, TAA & sometimes either some TAL or TAH. Depends on which seems to fit the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 12:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/14 "2007-05-29T12:45:46Z")
It’s not an either/or proposition. I use it to “create a mood” with my SO, and also to add -none in controlled amounts to mixes. I think it works well both ways in the present formulation. Once you start messing with a popular product’s formulation, all the users will have to recalibrate their use. This is a drawback to major changes to an established product. ---
**Author:** ![alessio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@alessio](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alessio)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 2:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/15 "2007-05-29T14:34:25Z")
Both the ways! ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 6:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/16 "2007-05-31T06:37:25Z")
> [@Gone with the Wind](#): > > Once you start messing with a popular product’s formulation, all the users will have to recalibrate their use. This is a drawback to major changes to an established product. Hehe, that’s actually why we haven’t been introducing any official products for awhile. We know people fall in love with a product being exactly the way it is, but we like to improve things constantly with the latest technology. We’ve added more new [pheromones](https://a314.com/) to the fray this past year, than any company did in over 25+ years of commercial pheromone history, so it’s not easy for us to just leave things alone! It’s tough to balance things against people’s needs for constants. I think the diehard mixers out there should stick to the chemset ExperiMone series, so they get exactly what they want, each and every time. Then they won’t mind as we upgrade consumer products to make them better & better. Cars may may be stable enough so that they all have 4 wheels and an engine, but pheromone technology is still in it’s infancy. There’s too many advancements to not upgrade when possible. It’d be like the computer industry sticking to curved CRTs instead of advancing to LCD, plasmas, etc. We wouldn’t have 750gb hard drives for $200 these days, if they stuck with the disk drive. ---
**Author:** ![mindset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mindset](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mindset)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 9:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/17 "2007-05-31T09:56:50Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Hehe, that’s actually why we haven’t been introducing any official products for awhile. We know people fall in love with a product being exactly the way it is, but we like to improve things constantly with the latest technology. > > We’ve added more new pheromones to the fray this past year, than any company did in over 25+ years of commercial pheromone history, so it’s not easy for us to just leave things alone! It’s tough to balance things against people’s needs for constants. > > I think the diehard mixers out there should stick to the chemset ExperiMone series, so they get exactly what they want, each and every time. Then they won’t mind as we upgrade consumer products to make them better & better. > > Cars may may be stable enough so that they all have 4 wheels and an engine, but pheromone technology is still in it’s infancy. There’s too many advancements to not upgrade when possible. It’d be like the computer industry sticking to curved CRTs instead of advancing to LCD, plasmas, etc. We wouldn’t have 750gb hard drives for $200 these days, if they stuck with the disk drive. By all means introduce more pheromones! 🙂 Although, I still need to try the ones already in the store that I don’t have. Has the shipping delay sped up any since February? I need to order more A314 and Shine. lol. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 3:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/18 "2007-05-31T15:22:06Z")
> [@TaoistBiker](#): > > Trust & Comfort (Rapport Building): a process that involves verbal and non-verbal communication and linkage of shared experience. > > If I am interested in a woman, I always find a way to seque from from the first process to the second before setting up a meeting/date. If I cannot change venues that evening, I don’t want to end the interaction without planning a next meeting. Then, exchanging numbers/contact info is a natural part of the interaction and not something that I am really asking for. Often, I get the number without prompting. > > You’ve come very close to what I am looking for. The first I call “an opener” and it needs to NOT repel males. Many sets have men that are far easier to deal with from a friendly but slightly authoritive place ignoring or reframing AMOG behavior as I go. > > A314 gives me sufficient alpha vibe that I can spin any way I want with add-ons. Just a little a-none and IS/Instant Honesty can be very disarming and quite controllable. I’d love to hear more ideas about this especially when you’ve met a woman you don’t know.. how to get to set up a meeting, in the most natural way, so she gives you her number etc. Is there anything else you can do which gets you her number without prompting? I think this can be very important. (a thought: just saying bye without caring to ask her for her number, would she ask you herself then? I wonder) Again some pheromones might help with this process. A314 most sure but also spaceland? ---
**Author:** ![alessio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@alessio](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alessio)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 2:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/19 "2007-06-01T14:20:10Z")
> [@mindset](#): > > By all means introduce more pheromones! 🙂 Although, I still need to try the ones already in the store that I don’t have. Has the shipping delay sped up any since February? I need to order more A314 and Shine. lol. Yea I would like to know this too. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 5:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778/20 "2007-06-12T17:28:19Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > I think the diehard mixers out there should stick to the chemset ExperiMone series, so they get exactly what they want, each and every time. Then they won’t mind as we upgrade consumer products to make them better & better. Jasmin, I just saw this, but I had come to the same conclusion concerning the ExperiMones myself. I’ve decided to funnel most of my future budget to the raw ingredients. That way I have reproducability over time. Of course, I doubt I’ll be able to resist trying to-gos of your new commercial mixes, just to see what you’re up to. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-use-turn-up-the-heat-as-an-attractant-or-as-a-sexual-segue/189778.md?page=2)