# How effective are pheromone products? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 27, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-effective-are-pheromone-products/28410 "2009-04-27T01:56:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-effective-are-pheromone-products/28410/1 "2009-04-27T01:56:15Z")
Ok this question is for the more experienced phero users… I keep a log of every girl I approach, and I just looked over it and crunched the numbers and came up with a 15% IOI rate for the last 30 girls I approached. So what type of numbers should i be getting if a [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) is working for me? ---
**Author:** ![kokos](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kokos/32/874_2.png) [@kokos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kokos)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-effective-are-pheromone-products/28410/2 "2009-04-27T02:00:30Z")
As i am even more newbie than you can i ask please what does IOI means? sorry for the off-topic but i just started using [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) myself and i would also like to know the answer to that question. ---
**Author:** ![FastJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7c8e57/32.png) [@FastJ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FastJ)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-effective-are-pheromone-products/28410/3 "2009-04-27T02:06:07Z")
> [@kokos](#): > > As i am even more newbie than you can i ask please what does IOI means? sorry for the off-topic but i just started using pheromones myself and i would also like to know the answer to that question. Indicator of interest. It takes awhile to figure out all the acronyms. There’s a real good sticky thread listing them. ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-effective-are-pheromone-products/28410/4 "2009-04-27T02:07:39Z")
> [@kokos](#): > > As i am even more newbie than you can i ask please what does IOI means? sorry for the off-topic but i just started using pheromones myself and i would also like to know the answer to that question. IOI means “indicator of interest” basically signals that girls show off when they are interested in you ---
**Author:** ![Domnk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domnk/32/2269_2.png) [@Domnk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domnk)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 2:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-effective-are-pheromone-products/28410/5 "2009-04-27T02:45:19Z")
Which product is the data based upon? Multiple products can dilute the expected “typical” responses.. actually can you give us some more info on the usage in general, such as environment tested in, dosages, etc. > [@meow333x](#): > > So what type of numbers should i be getting if a pheromone product is working for me? ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-effective-are-pheromone-products/28410/6 "2009-04-27T02:56:43Z")
> [@Domnk](#): > > Which product is the data based upon? Multiple products can dilute the expected “typical” responses.. actually can you give us some more info on the usage in general, such as environment tested in, dosages, etc. no product whatsoever..this is me by myself ---
**Author:** ![Domnk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domnk/32/2269_2.png) [@Domnk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domnk)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 3:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-effective-are-pheromone-products/28410/7 "2009-04-27T03:25:19Z")
Well, in that case… IOIs are dependent upon proper individual usage (sweet spot, application points, etc.); therefore, there will always be some variation in responses received. For example, I don’t receive any IOIs without pheros, but spray some Instant Jerk on me buffered with some [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), and I’ll have multiple IOIs throughout the day. As far as the percentage goes, for me it is way over 100% when using IJ, because my typical day involves zero IOIs. For others it may only be a 20% increase. So you see, it varies for everyone percentage wise, but used properly pheros can get you a significant boost. We all have different natural pheromone signatures, we have to work with what we have. 🙂 Dominick > [@meow333x](#): > > no product whatsoever..this is me by myself ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-effective-are-pheromone-products/28410/8 "2009-04-27T03:39:18Z")
> [@Domnk](#): > > Well, in that case… IOIs are dependent upon proper individual usage (sweet spot, application points, etc.); therefore, there will always be some variation in responses received. For example, I don’t receive any IOIs without pheros, but spray some Instant Jerk on me buffered with some Instant Shine, and I’ll have multiple IOIs throughout the day. As far as the percentage goes, for me it is way over 100% when using IJ, because my typical day involves zero IOIs. For others it may only be a 20% increase. So you see, it varies for everyone percentage wise, but used properly pheros can get you a significant boost. > > We all have different natural pheromone signatures, we have to work with what we have. 🙂 > > Dominick man if i get a 20% boost, i’d gladly accept that ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-effective-are-pheromone-products/28410/9 "2009-05-17T03:48:07Z")
The frustrating part about pheromones is that your results will vary. Everyone is different, everyone has different results. And IMO 15% isn’t too bad so you have a good base position already (although it depends on what your criteria are - a simple basic IOI like a smile or having someone jump all over you…). Different prosucts can give you different results. And even seemingly similar products can give you different results. No hard and fast rules. Some may respond well to an application of androstenone, some may respond poorly, or you may not get any change at all. You can use one “combo” product like Ammunition from AD and get great results, but another “combo” product like Alter Ego (from another source) may get you nothing. It’s all going to come down to experimentation, time, and observation. And remember people can vary from day to day as well, so what worked great on person A last week may not do a thing this week. If it were easy you could buy this stuff at WalMart and have it working wonders right out of the bottle. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 4:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-effective-are-pheromone-products/28410/10 "2009-05-17T04:00:37Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > It’s all going to come down to experimentation, time, and observation. And remember people can vary from day to day as well, so what worked great on person A last week may not do a thing this week. If it were easy you could buy this stuff at WalMart and have it working wonders right out of the bottle. I second this notion. But I really replied to say… Haha, you count your IOI’s!!! I find them so subjective. She could be giving an IOI based on her mood, thoughts, what she watched on TV an hour ago, a song stuck in her head…anything!!! The idea of someone writing down every hair twirl makes me giggle. However, I do applaud your organization and scholarlyness. Keep that habit up when you test pheromones and you will get far more benefit. Share them with us and get the most valuable characteristic of all, feedback, which is what you are tracking right now anyways. ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 8:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-effective-are-pheromone-products/28410/11 "2009-05-17T08:30:03Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > Haha, you count your IOI’s!!! actually this came about as keeping a log of how many women i talk to just to see what the number is…which evolved into keeping track of IOI’s to test different things. ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-effective-are-pheromone-products/28410/12 "2009-05-17T21:41:27Z")
> [@kokos](#): > > As i am even more newbie than you can i ask please what does IOI means? sorry for the off-topic but i just started using pheromones myself and i would also like to know the answer to that question. > [@Still don't know acronyms used here?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/still-dont-know-acronyms-used-here/28862/2): > > Here are the most common acronymns that I am aware of: > > AE = Alter Ego > CTTM = Come Talk to Me > DHV = Display of Higher Value > DIHL = Deer In Headlight Look 😮 > EO = Essential Oil > I.H = Instant Honesty > I.O = Instant Openness > I.S = Instant Shine > IOI = Indicator of Interest > OD = Overdose > N.O.L = AndrosteNOL > -NONE = AndrosteNONE > NPA = New Pheromone Additive > P.I = Primal Instinct > S.O.E = Scent of Eros > TAA = Test Pheromone A > TUT-H = Turn Up the Heat > > That’s all that comes to mind to right now. BTW, I have absolutely no clue about “ICM”. I’m still pretty much a newbie here, so maybe somebody else can better explain “ICM” to you! > [@Still don't know acronyms used here?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/still-dont-know-acronyms-used-here/28862/3): > > … > I’ve not heard ICM used in the context of mones. ICM was coined in military and aerospace fields in reference to intercontinental missiles (like Dr. Strangelove’s wild ride). Maybe some monehead wrote “dis Primal ass shit ain’t juz da bomb. Ah waz launchin’ loads ‘n dem bitches so fly mah dick waz ah freakin’ ICM 'o love.” > [@Still don't know acronyms used here?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/still-dont-know-acronyms-used-here/28862/5): > > ICM is a personal mix that Steve made and shared with some members so if you want to read up on that do a Advanced search on ICM and Steve at the same time and the most important posts will come up. You cant buy ICM in the store. Oh and since your new I wont spank you smiley but the Mens section is for [Pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) related discussion so I am moving this on down to the lounge. The computer will change most product acronyms to the product name as ramon demonstrated. If you have any your not sure… See also: > [@what is this " -none " i keep seeing?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-this-none-i-keep-seeing/3126): > > just trying to figure all this out thanks OoohYahhh