# How have YOU used mones to create a more attractive lifestyle ('to be a better man')? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 23, 2009, 11:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339 "2009-03-23T11:19:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 11:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/1 "2009-03-23T11:19:27Z")
YouTube - Robbie Williams Obviously there are direct advantages to using mones in the pickup situation. However the reality is that mones on their own can only do so much and mainly ‘enhance’ what is already there between you and a girl. So how have YOU used the mones to create a more attractive lifestyle (‘to be a better man’)? A more attractive lifestyle may be way harder to obtain than slapping on some mones and going to a nightclub but the rewards in terms of quality (and quantity if that’s what you like) of ladies are no doubt more… ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 11:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/2 "2009-03-23T11:22:11Z")
Watcher (June 14, 2003): "Heres my answer the 6 Ms theory Having more of these the better to make him oh “so cute” Money Mones Mind Muscles Mouth (chatting them up) Mood (being a happy type - goofy or funny etc) All of the above and any others anyone is able to think up are quite welcome. But the more of these you have in good quality the more you will be seen as cute." ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 11:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/3 "2009-03-23T11:59:27Z")
You Tube - Abba (Money, Money, Money) Update: 20+ new releases coming MHarris (May 19, 2006): "…Sigh? But why? While pheromones provide an advantage in attraction, they provide outright unfair advantages as far as freebies and salary boosts go. I’m always shocked and delighted at what I get “on the house”. They usually more than pay for themselves. In fact, when used by women with their natural “gimme free stuff because I’m cute” vibe, the gains made with pheromones can border theft. When I hear about what Jasmin gets out of using pheromones, for instance, at first I’m stucken by disbelief. Then shock. Ultimately, it ends with a feeling between disgust and outright jealousy." Hi there countesszero (November 2, 2006): "Hi there Hello Everyone, I’m Countesszero. I got my screen name from a William Gibson novel, Count Zero. My real name is Melanie and I’ve been a faithful pheromone user for about 4 years now. I’m a CPA and am the Comptroller for a great IT Company… I’m sure those of you know me because of my Witches Brew Mix that I concocted some time ago. I feel that wearing pheromones has helped my career and my love life a great deal. The prodcuts here at Androtics are awesome. The fact that they give out Freebies and provide personal customer service has made me a faithful customer. May the pheromones be Whiff you" What’s Changed For You Since Pheromones? Gegogi (October 18, 2007): “…I started about 4 years ago and used an endless sequence of products and combos, but always return to the holy trinity. They just work for me. I’ve become somewhat bolder–even reckless–socially and professionally as I seem to be able to get away with a lot more mischief and mayhem. Not that I was shy before but I’m even a bigger and bolder horse’s arse now. For what’s it’s worth my salary has doubled since then and I actually have to turn away freelance jobs.” Pleaseeee ! give me Phereomone ! Jasmin (November 3, 2008): “…A314 makes you older, wiser and more competent in people’s eyes. So if you have a job, it works wonders to send you up the ladder…” I love My A314 theperv584 (November 13, 2008): "I love My A314 Hey guys, Its been awhile since I had time to sit down and share my experiences. Its tough once you start working doing that 9 to 5 stuff. Today I managed to send off my employment forms for my future job at one of the biggest energy companies. That made me ease up a little on life- just a tiny bit enough to nudge me to share my experience with you guys. That job was secured I guess in part with A314 , I put two drops- one on the forearms and 1 on the neck. Interview went real smooth especially during group discussions and they found me to be the one who ‘gets em to the point’ and ‘knows how to get what he wants’. \*special point: prayers will help alot during waiting for interview results \* Currently I work at a small company that does manufacturing and fabrication. Small company with a family like atmosphere. A314 is what I do daily- just a single drop on the forearms spread out. The ladies of indian ethnicity react very well to the A314 . And I get special treatment from the ladies (all ethnicity: age group are 30s to 40s); one even told me when I made a particular mistake that “I usually will scold the others when they do not keep the files after using but for you I will keep them back”. There are days where I do not do A314 to lay off possible ODs and the week where I tried out other pheros, I noticed less of an ‘oomph’ factor that gets people going my way. Getting quite popular and respected at the place btw. It really shines when your behaviour and mindset are congruent with the phero message that you want to send out. If you hold yourself well and be a proffesional then it works out really well. Smiles and warmth also goes a long way- you can balance the ‘seriousness’ of the phero. I did not regret at all getting my first order the A314 instead of other social products like [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) (which I have a bottle btw). Its really as advertised. Just be mindful that there are always other factors; personality, skills etc. A314 lets that shine. ps. Btw thanks April for that free bottle of Spaceland with my order! You’re great!" My stuff arrived! Job interview today! Perfect timing.. 😃 yashsharma (March 2009): "Check my post … about my job interview experience. I applied for senior management position and wore 4 drops of A314 (thats it…no other phero). I got 2 job offers, 20% higher salary than comparable candidates. My personal opinion is that since this is your first time, stick with only one phero product. Do 2 drops of A314 on wrists and maybe 1 behind your ears." ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 12:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/4 "2009-03-23T12:13:24Z")
Money can’t buy you love, but it can mean that you have a more active sex life - Times Online "July 16, 2005 Money can’t buy you love, but it can mean that you have a more active sex life Higher incomes are linked in a new survey with raised libido for men and women By Mark Henderson HIGH earners of both genders boast an increased libido but only the wealthy men end up having more sex, the largest survey of its kind has indicated. As their incomes rise, both men and women are more likely to have a higher sex drive, according to a study of almost 30,000 people from 170 countries. Only among men, however, does this translate into more frequent sex: male high earners have sex significantly more often than those on lower salaries, but income makes little or no difference for women. The findings, from an online survey conducted by the BBC, offer fresh evidence for the theory that women tend to be more attracted to men with money and resources, but that a woman’s wealth does not much affect her sex appeal to men. “Men accumulate resources, which they use to attract women,” John Manning, Professor of Psychology at the University of Central Lancashire, who analysed the results, said. “When it comes to men with little by way of resources, women are just not interested in them at all. As a man’s earning power goes up, you would expect him to be having more sex and with more sexual partners.” Feminine charms are little enhanced by income because men pay more attention to other qualities such as looks, Professor Manning said. “High income females are probably not having more sex than any other group.” The increasing frequency with which high-earning men have sex is probably a direct result of their salaries, but the link between income and libido in both genders is more likely to have indirect causes, Professor Manning said. Sex drive in men and women is thought to be influenced by the male hormone testosterone, which is also associated with assertiveness. High levels of the hormone may make people more competitive and pushy, and thus more likely to earn more, while independently increasing their libido. The study, which will be featured in a new BBC One series, The Secrets of the Sexes, analysed the responses given by 14,488 men and 14,032 women to an online questionnaire. Professor Manning’s team is submitting the results for publication in the journal Archives of Sexual Behaviour and has just received a further 255,000 responses for examination. Participants were asked to place themselves into one of four income groups and to rate their sex drive and the frequency with which they have sex on a scale of one to seven. The questionnaire did not identify the number of sexual partners, but the results were adjusted to take age into account. Men had a higher self-rated libido than women in all the income groups, but in both sexes their scores increased markedly with rising salaries. Male frequency of sex also rose significantly with income: men earning more than ?50,000 scored 3.64 compared with 2.69 for men earning less than ?10,000. Among women, income made little difference. Those earning less than ?10,000 had sex somewhat less frequently but scores for women in the other three categories were very similar. The research has limitations because it relies on people’s ratings of their own behaviour and participants were not randomly selected, but its findings are in tune with those of smaller but more rigorous studies. An analysis of 10,000 men and women from 37 different cultures by David Buss of the University of Texas found a distinct pattern to male and female preferences. Women were much more likely to favour mates with a high income and social status, but these qualities mattered little to men. A study of lonely hearts advertisements led by Robin Dunbar, of the University of Liverpool, has shown that men tend to emphasise qualities such as their income and professional status, but women are more likely to claim good looks or slim figures. Women are also more likely to say that they are looking for a professional and men are more likely to insist on an attractive partner. Evolutionary theory suggests that these different preferences reflect underlying aspects of biology. “Men can inseminate an almost infinite number of women, while women are much more limited in the number of offspring they can have,” Professor Manning said. This may influence women to be more picky in their choice of mate, seeking out high-status, wealthy men who will be better able to provide for any children. The study found that women, on average, believe that they will have 1.9 sexual partners during the next five years but men believe that they will have almost double that, with 3.4. Almost 70 per cent of women said that they needed to feel emotional attachment to a partner before having sex, but only 47 per cent of men agreed. The Secrets of the Sexes starts on BBC One at 9pm tomorrow. Readers can participate in the survey at [BBC - Science & Nature - Sex ID](http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex)" ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2009, 3:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/5 "2009-03-24T03:04:16Z")
Curious that you would use the term “to be a better man”. Over and over I hear myself talking about ‘becoming a better man’. I have developed a plan and, wonder of wonders, I am actually working at it. What I have always called the Better Man Plan was orginally inspired by woman. It was my plan to become the best possible husband and father to her and her children. The woman is gone. I am left with a plan that can make a long, healthy, happy life for me. I press on with the plan. The song in the first post, I’ve never heard it before, but i can certainly identify with it. Back in my journal, I have a little collection of quotes from our people who have had their lives changed by pheros. This post is from Oct 12, '08 when I realized how far the economy was going to unravel. … With Power Comes Responsibility (that’s the real title) I’m having a hard time starting this thread. Been trying for several days. I hope that a large pot of stout black tea will help. Don’t even know where to post it. This is not chit-chat and damn sure not ‘off topic’. Most evenings, I ride out into the darkness and spend my time among the people of the night preparing a bright new world for the rest of you to awaken to. When the sun rises tomorrow, it will certainly be a very new world. Not quite as bright as usual though. We will awaken tomorrow to a world that is darker and bleaker than anything that all but the oldest inhabitants of this planet have ever seen. Things have been getting progressively less positive for the last few years, but from this day forward, life will become steadily more difficult for most of the people around us. Real people, not statistics. Our family. Our friends. The people we talk to and interact with in course a day. The people we pass in the street. I am completely certain that our world will eventually find peace and prosperity. This may however, take a considerable time to develop. Life is disatisfying. Abrasive. Off the mark. It is a central tenant of buddhism that unenlightened life is suffering. But what we are about to see goes far beyond that. Abject poverty, hunger, depravity, criminality, and the inevitable debilitation and disease that follows. In many quarters, to simply maintain civility will be the highest possible aspiration. While all this gestates, each of us finds ourselves standing in the midst of this most extraordinary community. Almost any one who stays here more than a few weeks has measurable improvments in multiple areas of their life. In many cases it is improvement beyond anything we had hoped for or even imagined. These are not isolated cases. It is a consistent pattern. Measureable improvement in multiple areas of our lives is the norm here. Maybe some of the old timers around know more about this, but from reading the old threads this seems to be an increaseing trend. Perhaps that should not be surprising since, not only is the phero technology steadily improving, but lively discussions of human body chemistry, psychology, and social skills has steadily drawn in more and more intelligent people who already have skills and knowledge in these areas that they then generously share with the rest of us. With half a century behind me and well over a million miles under me, I can safely tell you that i am well traveled. I have been to some very unusual places. I have spent time with some honestly extraordinary people. Some wise beyond their years. Some who were before their time. Some who belonged to times past. I have worked with brilliant scientists from the world over. With all that, I have never, ever, seen or heard of any thing like the group of people here. This has been an extraordinary time and place for me. I am certain it has been for many of you also. Try this on for size; SUDDENLY I SEE [KT Tunstall – Music](http://www.kttunstall.com/music/) Her face is a map of the world Is a map of the world You can see she’s a beautiful girl She’s a beautiful girl And everything around her is a silver pool of light The people who surround her feel the benefit of it It makes you calm She holds you captivated in her palm Suddenly I see This is what I want to be Suddenly I see Why the hell it means so much to me And she’s taller than most And she’s looking at me I can see her eyes looking from a page in a magazine Oh she makes me feel like I could be a tower A big strong tower She got the power to be The power to give The power to see Suddenly I see… UuuhHuh, _Remind you of anyone?_ _OK_ So much for analogies, lets get down to cases. “I went to walgreens today and while I paid, the manager came over and asked me if I shopped there often. I replied that I did every now and again. He said something about a makeup consultant, offered me a job, and gave me his card! … had comepletely forgotten I was wearing pheros… I have no intention of working at walgreens but in todays job market, getting a job offer like that is nearly miraculous. Peace” - Rad47 “I was feeling 100% confident.. Went into the meeting. had the boss litereally shaking.. his pen.. his voice.. I am not sure what it was.. but in any case.. he gave lots of good eye contact and quick jokes.. (he hates everyone.. i have only ever heard horror stories of going to speak to him..) I got my raise! Wooohoo (he told me I would get every dollar I was asking for).. and he was amendable to everything i asked. it was like I was the one running the show. it was great. complete success” - queenie-t “I had a MAJOR confrontation this weekend with someone from my family. I am usually the outsider, the “different” one, the fuck up. Well, with 4 sprays of mx134 I could see a respect and feel an esteem that has never been there. As a matter of fact this family member was going off all over me until he got close enough to huff the mx134 and his entire tune changed. Normally I am the family joke, the one who gets shamed into hiding their feelings, but not this time. My other family members gathered around me and supported me, which is HIGHLY unusual because the person I was in conflict with usually if the alpha family member who can do no wrong.I was supported and treated like a person. I was able to hold my head up and defend my position without buckling with shame at my existence. I felt like I DESERVED respect, and my demanding it got it for the first time EVER.It was like my stock value had gone up in their eyes. This was an amazing HIT, consistent, across the board with four adults.” - therapygirl “When it came time for him to make his points, he won easily and handily on every issue, without resistance, and the enemies he expected to make became allies instead. The meeting ended 3 hours early with everyone on the same page going forward working together. My husband is most likely going to be spearheading the efforts going forward at the head of a small group who will have not only the responsibility to get things done and make the changes necessary, but the power and authority to back it up. He thought he’d have to fight for that, but it was pretty much just gifted to him when he said that is how it had to be. On the way out of the meeting his boss whispered to him, “Did we just win on every single point?” Unheard of in these meetings. My husband said, “Yes we did,” and the boss just nodded and strutted out the door! LOL” - diane999 "- Dude E, who normally has an alpha male personality, was very complimentary and friendly to me, patting me on the back several times as if I was an old buddy. He did not have any problems with Distractant B sitting next to me or even her talking and focusing so much on me at times - he treated me with respect and admiration throughout the night. - Dude F, who is most certainly a very strong alpha male personality, was very respectful and friendly to me even though it was the first time that we had met, even offering to buy me a drink while we waited for Distractant B to arrive. - The biggest hit of the night, though, was Distractant E. We had originally met once previously, and I think I left a strong impression on her (phero-wise). … The effects of the mixes I had applied gave me the confidence to walk up to the bar and get the bartender’s attention (20+ caucasian female) and I was able to get our beers in 2 minutes. Distractant E was amazed at my success, and we hung out together for quite a while. The IOIs she displayed included a distinct decrease in personal space, increased comfort and attraction, strong eye contact, wide open genuine smiles, hair flipping and brushing, neck exposure and tilting of the head, face to face postures & open body language, and lots of KINO given and received. It was one of those times when I felt a strong rapport with someone, and it felt very natural and smooth." - Dancing\_Joker “so im just sitting eating my din dins in a food court, and this pommie chick goes, “mind if i sit here?” i look around and tehres a million other places she could have sat, so y here? …i say nothing for 5 mins. as she sits next to me, then she uses a line : 'so r u also eating on your own?” woww! so ive become the chick and shes hittin on me!!! trust me, this dont normally happen to me, so eitehr a huuge coincidence or im onto somethimg here…and y is she holding her hand between her legs? so i just wasnt prepared for an insatnt date so i facebook close her…wow, this is what pheromones should always do. U CAN JUST SIT RANDOMLY, GIRLS SNIFF YA AND PICK YA!..alas, possibly a new favorutie." - mahalo silver “During getting the food at buffet i noticed nothing special, but then during eating at the table 4 persons (2 young women and 2 middleaged guys) asked me surprisingly if they could eat at my table (i was there early and there were at least 6 empty tables around me, and i prefer eating alone ) I was like “huh, strange.” because normally my negative alpha aura is repelling ppl, especially when i subconscioulsy signal them i want to be alone” but the 2 women were welcome, the guys not after a little chit chat and i finished my meal, i wanted to leave for th bar. suddenly i was stopped by the arm of one of them. I had to promise them i would return _huh_? so i was polite and agreed (they were around 23 only) but what impressed me most, during the next 2 h we were babbling 5 other unknown ppl (men+women between 25-35)joined our table with their drinks. Something i am absolutely not used to (remember negative alphatype) I had really to get accustomed to this stunning new situation. I was really asked holes in my stomach. My profession as psychotherapist seemed to make some impression, which it usually didnt before. During the late evening i heard a young women who walked besides my table telling her boyfriend “hey let us sit at this cool guys table” He didnt agree though, probably he didnt like the impression i made to her. i went to bed at 4 o clock in the morning with 5 room numbers shared and a lot “new” friends. Felt really great to be a magnet for others (not sexually but at a buddylevel)" - Trantorx “I’d put on three bursts of [ammunition](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and some instant female magic. I think I put some shine on my wrists too but I don’t remember. Anyway, I felt like I was in the zone right off and was pretty at ease with myself, even though I’d been nervous to come knowing I’d be sitting alone with B without my wife to bounce stuff off during conversation. I did not know that K was coming but she was quietly studying German as B and I chatted. I lost the thread of conversation a few times and digressed way too much but I was comfortable. Anyway, after a while K mumbled something to B about wanting a drink. B said to K that she should use the money she had. Then K revealed that she’d put the money into a vending machine and it had not come out - money or soda. Well, as I was in the zone I got to my feet and said “Leave it to me”. I headed to the machine and tapped it once where the money goes in. Fifty pence tumbled to the change drawer below and I proudly took the ten paces back to B and K. B was pretty impressed but K, a typical teen, just pocketed the money with a sullen look and mumbled “there were two fifty pences”. And here’s where it gets interesting (finally). I nod my head in confidence and get to my feet. I take two steps back towards the machine to go after the second stuck penny and EVEN BEFORE I REACH IT the money tumbles out!. B was amazed. I put my arms out and said “Wow, was that jedi powers or what?” B agreed and commented that even the Fonz had to physically touch the jukebox to get it to work. Okay, I know that the pheromones had nothing to do with this. But I wanted to share. Its really true as I have written it.” - sexygamedesigns _Need more?_ **Many of us** have own versions of social success beyond anything we had hoped for. Although I suspect it has happened before, we are only beginning to tell the stories of love and honor. “Just a quick note to say hello and I am still and around ,however, taking care of my friend has not left me much personal time. But she is chipper and doing well enough through her treatments and loves having me around to lean on. I feel great being there for her through this time.I feel useful. I was wearing [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) around her until I ran out. She seemed to respond fairly well and I wanted to keep it simple for her system after everyone’s great advice. I tried TAC around the Chemo Center but no responses from her or anyone there. Maybe it’s one just not meant to be there yet. I am wanting a full size of the IS but will not be able to afford any in the near future. I was greatly surprised at the response from her and others in her medical care team. I sure see a difference now after the ToGo has run out. Well…if I get a chance to get out and try any of my others or if I accidently find enough funds for a full size IS …I’ll be back soon…if not she is my “all encompassing focus” right now. I want her survival and happiness to be number one so I am there every day to encourage Love,Light, and positive healing energy to her mind , body, and Spirit.” - Mystrys “Are you kidding? Can’t afford one? Why would an angel have to afford one? I am sending a bottle out immediately! With great people, like you, willing to do this for their friends it would be my honor.” - SteveO “Steveo and Mystrys, you guys are in my heros list today. I’m all glassy-eyed infront of my computer screen, if I just could squeeze you both with a big fat hug. … I’ve never seen anybody use pheros in this way (this is my first time) and Mystrys you have definately changed my point of view about it in a good way of course. We need more people like you in the world!” - msselva _“I can identify, as I watch my mama struggle and deal with Mulitple Myeloma and it is hard to see the ones you love so ill believe me…so to all the people in the world who make it their business to be there, I mean really be there…we are angels working here on earth.” - djacquelyn_ * * * ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2009, 10:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/6 "2009-03-24T10:23:53Z")
The reality is, you must “Act in Accord” Phero’s won’t many anyone a better man on their own, they are just little helpers … You must “Act in Accord” … as they say in Magick teachings .. And for people here that have spent some time reading and experimenting, phero’s work wonders … because they instigate and prime the person mentally to work (with) the particular phero intended goal … **You have to have known & experimented with the effect of a particular product, then pre-work with it.** For example; A314: When knowing I’m up to some quite unfortunate professional situations, I mentally prepared and (planned) on A314, and I turned those situations around as much as feasible to better results A7: I hocked up the girl I aimed for, regardless of her reservasions of her best friend presence who was my ex. and present at same time (that was fun) A7 + P79: Similar results, just no effort on my side this time RawPower: Planned interfering with a super-rich and bit senior then me group … and ‘gained the favour’ of the best looking female - long story but point is, I wanted something so I “worked with” the most suited phero And few others … Point is, I “visualise” the effect I need, then fit the most suitable phero or mix to it, not other way around .. ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/7 "2009-03-24T19:04:17Z")
> [@Mak](#): > > Phero’s won’t many anyone a better man on their own, they are just little helpers … > > You must “Act in Accord” … as they say in Magick teachings .. > > And for people here that have spent some time reading and experimenting, phero’s work wonders … because they instigate and prime the person mentally to work (with) the particular phero intended goal … > > **You have to have known & experimented with the effect of a particular product, then pre-work with it.** > > For example; > > … > > A7: I hocked up the girl I aimed for, regardless of her reservasions of her best friend presence who was my ex. and present at same time (that was fun) > > … > > Point is, I “visualise” the effect I need, then fit the most suitable phero or mix to it, not other way around .. Don’t ya just love it when your karma works out? OoohYahhhh! ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 11:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/8 "2009-04-03T11:22:10Z")
Thanks for the replies Mak and OoohYahhh. Really appreciate it, both good quality replies! I will be using Mak’s point for sure in a future thread… ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 7:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/9 "2009-04-10T07:30:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Socrates > Watcher (June 14, 2003): > "Heres my answer the 6 Ms theory > > Having more of these the better to make him oh “so cute” > > Money > Mones > Mind > Muscles > Mouth (chatting them up) > Mood (being a happy type - goofy or funny etc) > > All of the above and any others anyone is able to think up are quite welcome. But the more of these you have in good quality the more you will be seen as cute." surfs\_up (January 28, 2006): "…whatever the case… I think generally young guys have expectations of [pheromones](https://a314.com/) that are highly unrealistic… yes they may give you some time, a few seconds, a few minutes, maybe a couple of hours, when someone is going to be focused on you and listening to what you have to say. Unless they are complete zombies (or good and intoxicated at 1:00 a.m. down at the bar) women do come equipped with brains that are analysing the big picture… where men seem to be super focused on details, like Omigod what eyes, what breasts, what legs !!! and girls/women are already thinking “is there any future in this ?”… Even seduction theories, books, consultations with master seducers, CD courses completely lose this point, you cannot make somebody else be other than who they are. You cannot make someone else want you, need you, or have any interest in you. It won’t work. It is a huge illusion. It sells a lot of crappy novels and magazines. You CAN make yourself as attractive as you possibly can, you CAN position yourself to be noticed, considered, conversate, and you CAN work on your skills, enlarge your understanding of the world, experiment with a large number of people, grow your brain, challenge yourself, get rid of bad personal habits, think new and challenging thoughts… these sorts of things make you interesting, people want to listen to you when you have something to say, that is you know something that they could not just as easily get from watching television…" ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2009, 1:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/10 "2009-04-26T13:53:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Socrates > Watcher (June 14, 2003): > "Heres my answer the 6 Ms theory > > Having more of these the better to make him oh “so cute” > > Money > Mones > Mind > Muscles > Mouth (chatting them up) > Mood (being a happy type - goofy or funny etc) > > All of the above and any others anyone is able to think up are quite welcome. But the more of these you have in good quality the more you will be seen as cute." > > surfs\_up (January 28, 2006): > "…whatever the case… I think generally young guys have expectations of pheromones that are highly unrealistic… yes they may give you some time, a few seconds, a few minutes, maybe a couple of hours, when someone is going to be focused on you and listening to what you have to say. > > Unless they are complete zombies (or good and intoxicated at 1:00 a.m. down at the bar) women do come equipped with brains that are analysing the big picture… where men seem to be super focused on details, like Omigod what eyes, what breasts, what legs !!! and girls/women are already thinking “is there any future in this ?”… > > Even seduction theories, books, consultations with master seducers, CD courses completely lose this point, you cannot make somebody else be other than who they are. You cannot make someone else want you, need you, or have any interest in you. It won’t work. It is a huge illusion. It sells a lot of crappy novels and magazines. > > You CAN make yourself as attractive as you possibly can, you CAN position yourself to be noticed, considered, conversate, and you CAN work on your skills, enlarge your understanding of the world, experiment with a large number of people, grow your brain, challenge yourself, get rid of bad personal habits, think new and challenging thoughts… these sorts of things make you interesting, people want to listen to you when you have something to say, that is you know something that they could not just as easily get from watching television…" Irish (June 25, 2002): "Re: For all the older guys…a question about life… Young women are fickle - it makes sense, they have time to play and learn what type of man they like. As they move into their thirties they become more practical, especially about finding a child-rearing partner. They also may become desperate if the ticking biological clock is an issue for them. Young or older, it doesn’t matter much - you can’t change them…have to concentrate on yourself (although it does help to understand women’s needs/desires/fears/etc.). I routinely date women half my age. Here’s what I’ve learned if it helps: Be realistic about your own ‘market value’. Most guys either have no self esteem, or think too highly of what they're worth as a mate. It's a cutthroat sexual marketplace - don’t be in denial in either direction. Maximize your ‘resume’ qualifications. In a word, make as much money as possible - money covers a lot of sins. Studies show women value looks in a man very highly, but will trade off looks to some degree for wealth. If you can’t get rich, at least begin to look the part or foster the idea of your ‘potential’ (future wealth). Maximize your own personality type. Almost any personality is seductive to some women, and you can’t predict what an individual woman will go for. So be yourself. But don’t be self indulgent - know your strengths and weaknesses, and work to project your best attributes and eliminate your faults (or at least hide them). Make a project of this - write this stuff down and get to work. Doing this breeds the natural confidence that comes from self-understanding and pride - you can’t fake it. Maximize your social skills. Expand your social circle, build friendships with women even if you’re not dating…you never know what will develop. In short, spend time with women as much as possible - it puts you at ease with them and leads to many contacts. Be careful how you treat all women to guard your reputation - you can bet they will all talk with each other about your screwups. If you’re shy you’re just going to have to get over it to some degree - men are still expected to make the initial moves with women. Maximize your self-control. Don’t be gushy with your emotions, especially in the beginning. It’s fine to be genuinely warm and interested in her, but don’t go off the deep end just because you have ‘feelings’. Don’t over-react to her nonsense, don’t be whiny or needy - she wants a man, not a child. In fact, don’t think too much about yourself at all - it makes you self-conscious and nervous, and women read that as ‘weird’. Focus on her, penetrate her psychology, be giving without being a sap, and be willing to call things off when your self-respect is on the line." ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/11 "2009-04-26T16:20:39Z")
In a Mad Tater journal entry from September 15, 2007 he mentioned that pheromones might let you be the ultimate man. And he went on to ask the rhetorical question of what happens when a woman runs into a man who is sexy AND likely to stay around while the babies grow? He could well be onto something indeed. Pheromones may allow one to be a better man by allowing him to more easily fill the different roles required of him - so he can truely become a ‘man for all seasons’. As MHarris stated (I could not find the actual post though): women want/need different things at different times… Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men MHarris (September 30, 2005): "…The two men are: the wise, competent, long lived, nurturing, money-making fatherly type and the not so wise, often unreliable and short lived, not so caring, wild child “bad boy” type…" MX102 - Experimental A314 Mix 1 MHarris (August 1, 2006): "… Androstenol not being sexual, depends on how you look at it. I think it is “indirectly” sexual. For instance, ANY pheromone is the end result of hormone metabolism. Therefore, ANY pheromone acts as an exogenous marker of hormone metabolism. i.e., the more pheromones you use, of any kind, the more you’re saying to other people “hey, my body makes lots of hormones” That is indirectly sexual, as it indicates good health, and good health as indicated by hormone and pheromone output often goes hand in hand with reproductive health and reproductive drive. Also, Alpha Androstenol has a “blanking” effect on some individuals. Others, it makes giddy. Sometimes when people are attracted, they “blank out” for a few seconds… the Alpha Androstenol blanking effect may be mentally associated with a time when they “blanked out” in the presence of a “hottie” Giddiness may also be associated with attraction. They may (consciously or unconsciously) search their mind for other times “I felt this way” (giddy for no reason at all), and come to the conclusion… that, hey, they’re attracted to you. So while Alpha Androstenol isn’t the big, overt “Hey, look at my penis” like pheromone that androstenone is, it may be considered somewhat sexual in the way it interfaces with the human condition. In a club environment, Alpha Androstenol may help. Outside of a club environment, it may help even more. Not only does it have a fun aspect to it, but it also tends to be comforting. It’s widely acknowledged in today’s advanced “pick up” communities that comfort can be 70% of seduction. Androsterone is probably more “sexual” in an every day type environment. It helps to signal a stable, attractive male. Probably more in the provider sense (someone you’d want to stick around) than the “well endowed”, one night stand sense. It’s sexual in the sense that men primarily generate the most androsterone. Most cars driven exclusively by men smell highly of androsterone. Androsterone definitely says “Hey, I’m a guy”, which is sexual in the sense that it is our differences, in large part, that make us sexual. The fact that men have penises and beards, sharper faces, and high amounts of certain hormones and pheromones and women have vaginas, softer skin, softer faces, and higher amounts of certain OTHER hormones and pheromones. Reasoning has it that most women probably go out to nightclubs when near the time they’re ovulating. Either that, or it’s out of habit, or their friends are dragging them along. If they’re there because they’re near ovulation, they’re NOT there for a “good guy” (the Androsterone guy)… they’re looking for the naughty boy that they’ll “love” tonight (physically),and hate tommorow. This is clearly established pattern in human anthropology and David Buss’ Evolutionary Psychology, both of which analyze BEHAVIORS (what people ACTUALLY do) and discount what people say they do. Actions truly do speak louder (and more honestly) than words. Women going to nightclubs truly aren’t looking for a good guy to spend the rest of their lives with, no matter what they say. Their 40+ trillion cells are, often unbenknownst to their conscious minds, screaming out for a sperm donor, one with substantially different genetic material to fit their genetic cravings for prequisite variety. One that won’t lead to pedigree collapse. Also, evoltutionary psychology shows that they’re looking for a man that won’t stick around, and get in the way of a possible offspring being raised by the “good” Androsterone guy. The provider. The guy who can truly raise a child, and maintain a household with stability. Androstenone is definitely the marker of such a “bad” or “naughty” boy. Someone good for greasy, animalistic sex, a few million sperm, and little else. Androstenone , Alpha Androstenol and a bit of Molecule A ( AKA " TAA ", which is also a fun, euphoric pheromone) can make for a heck of a “party mix”, that could help lead to some naughty sex sooner than later. You want long term sex, though, or someone to cohabitate with or marry, throw -Androsterone into that mix and reduce the -none. A314 is highly refined -none that doesn’t put out the “Walk all over Me, I’m Mr. Rogers” type prescence that Androsterone alone can sometimes do on some men." Product 'nones & 'nols? MHarris (December 14, 2006): "Yeah, Ail makes some very good points. Not everything is so easy to delineate, especially when it comes to our social reality. Many people buy fancy cars and clothes to be more sexually attractive, for instance… but do they ever call a particularly stunning shirt “The Shirt of Eros”? Not everything is directly sexual, but it doesn’t mean it can’t aid. [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) refers to what it does to people’s mouths, but it doesn’t mean some people won’t feel attracted under it’s influence. (many women, after all, find it appealing to have a man in their life that they can TALK to) I personally find that Instant Shine is aphrodisiac like around people who really enjoy having a good time. Especially younger women, who shirk anything “serious” (and therefore might not find A314 as appealing as an older, more stable woman does) There are many indirect paths to sexuality. In fact, I’d say that most paths to sex are not so direct. A women looking to marry, for instance, has a whole laundry list of qualifiers… often with the necessity that you are a good, stable provider. You have to live a full life and become a very successful individual in order to fulfill that qualifier! (sure, A314 is a bit of shortcut, but, you get the point)" Andy (June 25, 2002): "Re: For all the older guys…a question about life… It’s a small path surrounded with rifts from all sides. I think the best way is to be something I call the “mr. nice pussyhunter defender”. You gotta be nice to the woman/girl of your desire but she needs to know that you are potent enought to satisfy her in all needs and powerfull enough to hold her at all costs. You just need to be mr. niceguy and mr. axeswinging childreneater in one person. It’s not that simple because you can easily tend to much to one side, it looks like tending more to the alphatype side is better than beeing too nice. That’s how herd alphas react, show your teeth but support _your_ females and lower males when needed and chase away or destroy intruders. It maybe od , but in human relations often one of the factors given above is substituted with money. Sum: be nice when needed bark at everybody who ist after your female defend her make her life easier (often with money) f\*\*\* her like hell (sorry for the f word … but that’s the way you should think) _show her that you are able to fullfill all of the above points, before they get important_ That are my own conclusions and they worked well for me. I don't dare anybody to try this at home . It might fail … it might work. I am in a lucky relationship for some years now. I got her beeing like this and I hold her that way. It is mostly part of my nature (though I’d like to be nicer, it's hard to be a little cruel sometimes). I urge everybody not to play a role, just be natural and just adapt the “harder line” to your personalality." Neil Strauss “The Game” - a fascinating read! MHarris (December 9 2006): "The modern techniques of “game” work, especially on younger women that respond almost exclusively to social posturing. With modern game, you can consciously hit the hot buttons that “jerks” have accidentally. The current “state of the art” in “game” is the start of something better than what you see today. You guys do see how complex and formulaic today’s “game” is, right? It’s mostly empowering what used to be called “nerds”… you know, the guys with big brains and whale sized attention spans. Truly wonderful, high value men whom, in a perfect world, would be getting all the girls… but simply weren’t. In fact, you can literally think of this as the movie “Revenge of the Nerds” come true. Now the good guys have tools to gain access to what was simply given to meaningless meatheads – the jerks and abusive nutbags that girls LOGICALLY knew they shouldn’t be attracted to, but EMOTIONALLY were, despite logic. For the most part, “Game” today is a good thing. It allows what are mostly intelligent men to be just as brilliant with women as they are with computers, finance and other serious topics. Any tool could be considered manipulative. I think it has a lot to do with who’s using it and why. While these guys talk a “big game” (male bravado), most eventually want a girlfriend or wife. Noble goals. Both Eric Markovich (Mystery) and Neil Strauss have gotten “one-itis” for what they perceive to be the “end all, be all” woman (what Eric once called “the one”). So what’s the worst that’s going to come from computer programmers and other good guys learning some socials skills (and yes, a few “tricks”)? Women of tommorow will end up with more warm, loving providers? Prove to me that this is a bad thing. To me, it makes for a brighter tommorow… with less children that have scumbags for dads. (if you don’t know who donates most of the sperm to make most the kid’s in the world, dig into anthropology and evolutionary psychology a little. Start with David Buss’ book “Evolution of Desire”) What may seem like a sort of superficial system on the outside, actually makes for some substantial world improvement in action, folks. It’s not as bad as it seems, when used by decent men…" ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/12 "2009-04-26T16:30:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Socrates > Watcher (June 14, 2003): > "Heres my answer the 6 Ms theory > > Having more of these the better to make him oh “so cute” > > Money > Mones > Mind > Muscles > Mouth (chatting them up) > Mood (being a happy type - goofy or funny etc) > > All of the above and any others anyone is able to think up are quite welcome. But the more of these you have in good quality the more you will be seen as cute." > > surfs\_up (January 28, 2006): > "…whatever the case… I think generally young guys have expectations of pheromones that are highly unrealistic… yes they may give you some time, a few seconds, a few minutes, maybe a couple of hours, when someone is going to be focused on you and listening to what you have to say. > > Unless they are complete zombies (or good and intoxicated at 1:00 a.m. down at the bar) women do come equipped with brains that are analysing the big picture… where men seem to be super focused on details, like Omigod what eyes, what breasts, what legs !!! and girls/women are already thinking “is there any future in this ?”… > > Even seduction theories, books, consultations with master seducers, CD courses completely lose this point, you cannot make somebody else be other than who they are. You cannot make someone else want you, need you, or have any interest in you. It won’t work. It is a huge illusion. It sells a lot of crappy novels and magazines. > > You CAN make yourself as attractive as you possibly can, you CAN position yourself to be noticed, considered, conversate, and you CAN work on your skills, enlarge your understanding of the world, experiment with a large number of people, grow your brain, challenge yourself, get rid of bad personal habits, think new and challenging thoughts… these sorts of things make you interesting, people want to listen to you when you have something to say, that is you know something that they could not just as easily get from watching television…" > > Irish (June 25, 2002): > "Re: For all the older guys…a question about life… > Young women are fickle - it makes sense, they have time to play and learn what type of man they like. As they move into their thirties they become more practical, especially about finding a child-rearing partner. They also may become desperate if the ticking biological clock is an issue for them. Young or older, it doesn’t matter much - you can’t change them…have to concentrate on yourself (although it does help to understand women’s needs/desires/fears/etc.). > > I routinely date women half my age. Here’s what I’ve learned if it helps: > > Be realistic about your own ‘market value’. Most guys either have no self esteem, or think too highly of what they're worth as a mate. It's a cutthroat sexual marketplace - don’t be in denial in either direction. > > Maximize your ‘resume’ qualifications. In a word, make as much money as possible - money covers a lot of sins. Studies show women value looks in a man very highly, but will trade off looks to some degree for wealth. If you can’t get rich, at least begin to look the part or foster the idea of your ‘potential’ (future wealth). > > Maximize your own personality type. Almost any personality is seductive to some women, and you can’t predict what an individual woman will go for. So be yourself. But don’t be self indulgent - know your strengths and weaknesses, and work to project your best attributes and eliminate your faults (or at least hide them). Make a project of this - write this stuff down and get to work. Doing this breeds the natural confidence that comes from self-understanding and pride - you can’t fake it. > > Maximize your social skills. Expand your social circle, build friendships with women even if you’re not dating…you never know what will develop. In short, spend time with women as much as possible - it puts you at ease with them and leads to many contacts. Be careful how you treat all women to guard your reputation - you can bet they will all talk with each other about your screwups. If you’re shy you’re just going to have to get over it to some degree - men are still expected to make the initial moves with women. > > Maximize your self-control. Don’t be gushy with your emotions, especially in the beginning. It’s fine to be genuinely warm and interested in her, but don’t go off the deep end just because you have ‘feelings’. Don’t over-react to her nonsense, don’t be whiny or needy - she wants a man, not a child. In fact, don’t think too much about yourself at all - it makes you self-conscious and nervous, and women read that as ‘weird’. Focus on her, penetrate her psychology, be giving without being a sap, and be willing to call things off when your self-respect is on the line." Yes and to make yourself as attractive (not just physically obviously) as you possibly can be, it requires LOTS of ENERGY. Using pheromones wisely to keep things going smoothly should allow you to conserve your energy for other things like personal growth. The mones do SOME of the work for you on the people around you. In some cases, the mones do work that you just could not do on your own easily - like mellowing out a woman in your life (when it is that time of the month say) or lifting people’s spirits (with say Alpha- Androstenol or TAA )… First Mixes: “Good” “Evil” and “Instant Bad-Ass” Warren (November 25, 2008): "When a woman with raging hormones gets me so mad that I just want to smack her, I get out the [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/). I am always surprised at just how amazingly effective only one or two sprays can be. (Adding a little bit of TAK also helps.) I have always used Instant Female Magic to defend my sanity (and keep me outta jail). I have never gotten into the habit of using it proactively as a seduction pheromone. I have never experienced Instant Female Magic as making me feel depressed, but reading that it can do that to men has made me wary of it. I never use more than one or two sprays…" Help! No Instant Female Magic! What to do?!?!? Warren (February 24, 2009): "I’m sure the Instant Female Magic will be back in stock soon. It’s a very popular product. I have had luck with TAK . I don’t know if it will help with sex during that time [PMS], but it definitely helps with the bitchiness." Has anyone tried Androstadienone? Gegogi (April 2009): “I’ve been using it for the past 6 years. Works great for defeating PMS moodiness and general bitch attacks. Not much good for anything else but nevertheless an essential tool for every male…” itwow (December 23, 2005): “…Scent of Eros/u : I get continuous yawns (sleepy) after 2-3 hours, used it for insomnia before (sorry JVK). Sometimes, it makes me go on yapping non-stop as well (poor me ). But it is indispensable when trying to attract the young crowd (\<24 y.o). When used in OD amounts (\>12”), I get endless loving care from everyone (might be useful when I’m in trouble & need help)…" ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 1:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/13 "2009-05-02T01:12:15Z")
We have heard from many of our long time users who have become luminaries in our communitiy. They have gained that reputation with good reason. They are not only keen observers of human behavior, they are also astute philosophers on the human condition. Perhaps it is time we recognize some of our new citizens who have the potential to become every bit the renaisance man (or woman) as our elders. For many of them, it is a case of when the student is ready, the teacher will appear. > [@Pheros for a better you.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-for-a-better-you/28423/1): > > There is a turning point in life, where change is what is felt is needed. I reached that point a few months back, I was a bit depressed, not doing well in terms of dating, but I was a very social person, just not getting sex ☹ > > I know I know… I had a weight problem around 315lbs, I have curved that down to about ~275lbs I have toned my muscle, I am bench pressing around 165lbs, leg press around 825lbs my legs are huge lol I am working out with 30lb free weights and around 125lbs with pull downs. > > This is in part to a stricter diet, vitamin supplements and taking a thermogenic product from ALRI. I went from a XXXL shirt to a XL shirt, from size 46" pants to 40" and I have all but as I feel lost my ass LOL. > > This is where the phero’s come in. Day to day, A314 to work has made work feel calmer, 2X shine keeps me in that feel good mood, and Ammo says I am not just a friend to the ladies I am around. I have found myself even more outgoing, as well as finding more female friends in the few months I have been using pheros. > > Don’t get me wrong, you wear pheros at the wrong time and it will socially hurt you with an OD or negative response to Copulins. > > On the flip side, I find that with the right “mix” you can acomplish many things with the increase on -none I find myself acting more confident, chest out, swagger-ific, and all around more “Charming”. > > Some seem to say it is 90% you and 10% pheros, well for some I believe this is true. But now after having learned my sweet spot, and doing a little reading, and with the support of this community, my friends will not let me near their new girlfriends LOL. Why? I am too much of a “exceptional guy” and I steal their thunder, I take their attenation as well as their interest. > > It is not all me, it is partially the pheros. Knowing how to use them to our advantage and properly cover are skills that are not easily come by. It takes work, testing, and observation. You will not get it right off the cuff, but in time it will work. > > … > > My personality has changed from a nice guy, to a more assertive guy, I know I could whip up a mix to get on the good side of most people, and by showing genuine interest and bringing something to the table more people are willing to open up. My experience of approaching with apprehension has dissapeared, I look for wind direction in clubs, and I have grown to appericiate social dynamics a whole lot more. I notice a whole lot more, of the body language of the female sex, and now I know I was missing sooo much. I am now walking with eyes wide open, thanks to this community. > > My best advice from a relatively new member to other new members would be to Observe, keep a journal of application points and products and dosage, read other member journals, and do not feel scared to ask questions. This is one of the most open communities I have found, and the company is great. > > You can see by my signature, I like the products, my methods are a bit extreme at time lol, but talk about results and fine tuning my sweet spots. > > Big thanks to SteveO, LOR, Tisha, CatLord, Reviva, and all those who have welcomed me to this community so freely. I hope I can help others as you have helped me understand the concepts and practicalities of pheromone usage and dosages. > > P.S. This should help newer members as well: [Acronyms](http://www.fastseduction.com/acronyms.shtml) > > P.P.S. – Gotten sex 3 times specifically due to pheros, and turned down 2 young ladies… 1 was an accident I was drunk LOL. > > P.P.P.S. > HERE is good advice for drinking: “Know your limit and keep that buzz and stay there, then when all the guys are asleep, or passing out, you have pick of the litter of all the horny girls still awake are raring to go 😉” > > Respectfully, > -DJ > [@Pheros for a better you.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-for-a-better-you/28423): > > There is a turning point in life, where change is what is felt is needed. I reached that point a few months back, I was a bit depressed, not doing well in terms of dating, but I was a very social person, just not getting sex frowning I know I know… I had a weight problem around 315lbs, I have curved that down to about ~275lbs I have toned my muscle, I am bench pressing around 165lbs, leg press around 825lbs my legs are huge lol I am working out with 30lb free weights and around 125lbs with … ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/14 "2009-05-02T03:09:55Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Socrates > Irish (June 25, 2002): > "Re: For all the older guys…a question about life… > Young women are fickle - it makes sense, they have time to play and learn what type of man they like. As they move into their thirties they become more practical, especially about finding a child-rearing partner. They also may become desperate if the ticking biological clock is an issue for them. Young or older, it doesn’t matter much - you can’t change them…have to concentrate on yourself (although it does help to understand women’s needs/desires/fears/etc.). > > I routinely date women half my age. Here’s what I’ve learned if it helps: > > Be realistic about your own ‘market value’. Most guys either have no self esteem, or think too highly of what they’re worth as a mate. It’s a cutthroat sexual marketplace - don’t be in denial in either direction. > > Maximize your ‘resume’ qualifications. In a word, make as much money as possible - money covers a lot of sins. Studies show women value looks in a man very highly, but will trade off looks to some degree for wealth. If you can’t get rich, at least begin to look the part or foster the idea of your ‘potential’ (future wealth). > > Maximize your own personality type. Almost any personality is seductive to some women, and you can’t predict what an individual woman will go for. So be yourself. But don’t be self indulgent - know your strengths and weaknesses, and work to project your best attributes and eliminate your faults (or at least hide them). Make a project of this - write this stuff down and get to work. Doing this breeds the natural confidence that comes from self-understanding and pride - you can’t fake it. > > Maximize your social skills. Expand your social circle, build friendships with women even if you’re not dating…you never know what will develop. In short, spend time with women as much as possible - it puts you at ease with them and leads to many contacts. Be careful how you treat all women to guard your reputation - you can bet they will all talk with each other about your screwups. If you’re shy you’re just going to have to get over it to some degree - men are still expected to make the initial moves with women. > > Maximize your self-control. Don’t be gushy with your emotions, especially in the beginning. It’s fine to be genuinely warm and interested in her, but don’t go off the deep end just because you have ‘feelings’. Don’t over-react to her nonsense, don’t be whiny or needy - she wants a man, not a child. In fact, don’t think too much about yourself at all - it makes you self-conscious and nervous, and women read that as ‘weird’. Focus on her, penetrate her psychology, be giving without being a sap, and be willing to call things off when your self-respect is on the line." Thanks to nbully’s blog for alerting me to this nice piece on traits that ‘dominate’… AsktheApproach Power Overdominations: How to Conquer Racism and Stereotypes Power Overdominations: How To Conquer Racism And Stereotypes Presented in Fundamentals, Ecourse by Sebastian on Monday February 19, 2007 Everyone sizes up everyone that meet in a split second. While the most open-minded and enlightened people let their views of others evolve, everything we see gets factored into decision making. If you’re having problems with a negative stereotype about you, the problem is that that stereotype is providing more information about you than any other source. I have clients of all races. Have had clients from every continent, and very many countries. And I’ve noticed something time and time again: Students who succeed have positive characteristics that dominate your first impression of them. Students who don’t are bland, which leaves people’s split second judges of them to chance. Overdomination: A characteristic is said to “dominate” another when it gets factored before that characteristic. For instance, clothing dominates race - what you’re wearing gets factored into how people judge each other before your skin color. Put this way - if you see a Brazilian guy in an Armani suit, you say - “Rich Brazilian guy”, not “Brazilian rich guy”. But the fact that he’s rich doesn’t make you forget that he’s a Brazilian gentleman - so you’re going to factor in your past experiences with people from Brazil when you size him up instantly. So here’s the crux of it - if some characteristics about you aren’t great for the area you’re in, or you don’t believe it works well for you, you want to get other characteristics that dominate those traits. Even if your stereotypical characteristics are advantageous to you - tall, square-jawed Brazilian guy - you can still evolve past that. If people’s SECOND impression of you is that you’re a tall, square-jawed Brazilian, then you’re in really great shape. Now the real deal - what if you’re the “wrong” type for whatever you want to do? What if you’re applying for a job in a racist country, what if you’re shorter than everyone around you in a place that values height, what if you don’t have the same “pedigree” that is expected of someone to enter a certain social circle? The key is - overdomination. Traits that dominate get consideration first, and then other traits are looked at. Traits that OVERDOMINATE are traits that make you forget about the other characteristics of the person. The other traits become irrelevant in light of such a large, dominating trait. Power. Power is a classical overdominating trait. If you see a very powerful guy, it makes largely irrelevant what the rest of him is. You see powerful men of all types. Even an ardent racist is going to respect Samuel L. Jackson. Charisma. Charisma is a classical overdominating trait. If you see a very charismatic guy, it makes largely irrelevant what the rest of him is. Even though he’s only 5′6, Tom Cruise absolutely glows. In the last month, I’ve had a mix of very interesting clients. One was a gentleman who was truly insightful - he’s a world traveller, a scholar, enlightened and brilliant and charming. He’s got wild stories of his travels through North America and the Orient, and he talks with rapture about dangerous attempts of criminals to trying to rob or extort him. He laughs at the time that he got scammed twice in the same night, and laughs with a sense of dignity - he learned the lesson, and the anecdote was worth the few dollars. He’ll make more money, and if he doesn’t, money won’t be an issue. A renaissance man, if you will, that is knowledgeable about history and art but dresses in sharp, tailored high fashion. Oh yeah, and he’s a medium-built Chinese-Canadian guy that’s average height and with a so-so physique. It’s the last thing you notice - when he’s on, he combines power and charm, and they overdominate his other characteristics. If you met him, you’d like him. I hear men worry about their height, race, nationality, accent, age, and all sorts of other traits frequently. I’ll tell you when you’re in trouble - when the first thing someone notices about you is that you’re short, or that you’re young, or that you’re a particular race. That happens to people who have no characteristics more interesting than those traits. Now, those traits will still stereotype you to people as a “second impression” if you get some traits that dominate them. For instance, looking “corporate” will get noticed before your ethnicity. Your race will still be factored, but you’ll get all the stereotypes about being corporate (doesn’t care about the environment, really damn busy, resents poor people, is extremely good in bed) before you get the ones about your race. And if you really put yourself together extremely well, eventually you come to stand for an idea, and an ideal. One of the most successful clients I’ve ever had the blessing to teach was an extremely successful professional who, without a college degree, moved through various entrepreneurial endeavors and then worked his way up the chain in the construction industry until he’s now making piles of money. He’s a short guy, with an unexceptional physique. His clothes aren’t extremely high end, either - he usually wears Levi’s. But he’s “got it” - characteristics that overdominate. Power. Leadership. Charm. “Gets shit done”. These characteristics can be built over time. A good place to start is with your nonverbals - right now, we’re going to work on it. From behind your monitor, indulge me for five minutes. Push your shoulders as far back as you can, so that they’re even tense. Push your chest as far out as you can. Suck your stomach in. Tilt your head upwards - your chin should be slightly above parallel to the ground. Now take a deep breath… hold it… …now exhale, and let your muscles relax and be not tense. Keep your shoulders “back and broad”, your chest pushed out, stomach in, and head up. (The to remember this quickly and fix your bodylanguage in a nightclub is to go through this order - Back and broad, out, in, up, breathe - which stands for shoulders back and broad, chest out, stomach in, head up, breathe) When you make eye contact with people, look from your right eye to their right eye, or to the bridge of their nose which makes you look like you’re looking into both their eyes simultaneously. When you walk, go S-Squared as instructor Morgan puts it. S-Squared: Smooth and Slow. All your actions should be smooth and slow, which entains thinking about everything before you do it. Be the observed, not the observer. That’s the start of developing some “power” about you. If your first impression is excellent and unique, your “second impression” - the stuff you can’t change - becomes less important. And when you seem extremely powerful to random people who meet you, or extremely charming, completely stylish, or like an amazing leader - then secondary characteristics about you won’t even factor. Sebastian ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 10:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/15 "2009-05-17T10:33:42Z")
Using mones wisely for their social lubricant effects can lead one to reduce their alcohol (and other drug) intake. Now a little alcohol may be okay for health (say one glass of quality Resveratrol-rich red wine a day), but you would probably be using more than that if you are partying and chasing women at bars/clubs. Binge-drinking (along with recreational drug use) is definitely bad for your health so as tacitus said: “Tacitus Rule #4 Hard partying will accelerate the ageing process, so take it easy, because by the time it shows up on your face you’ve done some interanal damage as well, hard damage to reverse, BTW Tacitus Rule #5 pheromones can help reach your optimal pleasure states in a healthy efficient way… so why abuse booze and dope if you don’t have to ?” Im confused MHarris (January 27, 2006): “…Large doses of Alpha Androstenol could be described as champagne like… they make you feel a little loose and happy…” Instant Honesty (IH) MHarris (April 1, 2006): “…The “few beer”, or rather, champagne like effect, is more the more result of heavy Alpha Androstenol ( [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) , etc.)…” P74 MHarris (April 26, 2006): "Anyway, a- Androstenol does indeed make some people spacey. Not all, though. It shares two major attributes of alcohol… especially something “light & euphoric” like a good glass of wine, or champagne. It makes some people chatty, and other people kind of lightened and a little “blank” ( AKA spacey). The one attribute it doesn’t share is making some people violent or angry – thank goodness! You also don’t get hungover from alpha androstenol – another big plus." MX102: How to get a job with pheromones! MHarris (September 3, 2006): "…I think it’s ultimately a plus sum game, though. You’re feeling good at the same time you’re perhaps a little socially oblivious. Most self-responders seem to act out in a very positive manner while under the influence of Molecule A. This is quite unlike alcohol, where some people’s decreased social awareness makes them act out in an antisocial manner. (the “mean” drunk)" Replacement for NPA? tacitus (August 4, 2006): “…as exactly noted by the Mystery Method guys… this is essentially the same sequencing, done more with exocrine signaling and less with booze… IMO also Mystery Method can be a ticket to a whole bunch of heavy body load drinking and staying up past your bedtime… Tacitus Rule #1 : sleep is the new sex Tacitus Rule #2 : high quality sleep is the first consequence of high quality sex… both are restorative Tacitus Rule #3 bad sex results in bad sleep results in bad sex results in bad performance in other areas of your life… sleep deeply, fuck hard, and perform impressively… everything is connected… Tacitus Rule #4 Hard partying will accelerate the ageing process, so take it easy, because by the time it shows up on your face you’ve done some interanal damage as well, hard damage to reverse, BTW Tacitus Rule #5 pheromones can help reach your optimal pleasure states in a healthy efficient way… so why abuse booze and dope if you don’t have to ?” P90… subtle, a touch social dominant, maybe ? examine (April 2, 2008): “I freakin love P90 . its like sitting down at a lounge with a friend over a glass of whiskey…” ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 10:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/16 "2009-05-20T10:55:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Socrates > Yes and to make yourself as attractive (not just physically obviously) as you possibly can be, it requires LOTS of ENERGY. > > Using pheromones wisely to keep things going smoothly should allow you to conserve your energy for other things like personal growth. The mones do SOME of the work for you on the people around you. In some cases, the mones do work that you just could not do on your own easily - like mellowing out a woman in your life (when it is that time of the month say) or lifting people’s spirits (with say Alpha- Androstenol or TAA )… > > First Mixes: “Good” “Evil” and “Instant Bad-Ass” > Warren (November 25, 2008): > "When a woman with raging hormones gets me so mad that I just want to smack her, I get out the Instant Female Magic. I am always surprised at just how amazingly effective only one or two sprays can be. (Adding a little bit of TAK also helps.) > > I have always used Instant Female Magic to defend my sanity (and keep me outta jail). I have never gotten into the habit of using it proactively as a seduction pheromone. I have never experienced Instant Female Magic as making me feel depressed, but reading that it can do that to men has made me wary of it. I never use more than one or two sprays…" > > Help! No Instant Female Magic! What to do?!?!? > Warren (February 24, 2009): > "I’m sure the Instant Female Magic will be back in stock soon. It’s a very popular product. > > I have had luck with TAK . I don’t know if it will help with sex during that time [PMS], but it definitely helps with the bitchiness." > > Has anyone tried Androstadienone? > Gegogi (April 2009): > “I’ve been using it for the past 6 years. Works great for defeating PMS moodiness and general bitch attacks. Not much good for anything else but nevertheless an essential tool for every male…” > > itwow (December 23, 2005): > “…Scent of Eros/u : I get continuous yawns (sleepy) after 2-3 hours, used it for insomnia before (sorry JVK). Sometimes, it makes me go on yapping non-stop as well (poor me ). But it is indispensable when trying to attract the young crowd (\<24 y.o). When used in OD amounts (\>12”), I get endless loving care from everyone (might be useful when I’m in trouble & need help)…" I did mention in the above quote that to make yourself as attractive (not just physically obviously) as you possibly can be, it requires LOTS of ENERGY. Using pheromones wisely to keep things going smoothly should allow you to conserve your energy for other things like personal growth. The mones do SOME of the work for you on the people around you. In some cases, the mones do work that you just could not do on your own easily - like mellowing out a woman in your life (when it is that time of the month say) or lifting people’s spirits (with say Alpha- Androstenol or TAA )… As detailed in OohYahh’s thread (The Burnout Files) artificial pheromone use can be a little draining on energy levels and neurotransmitters at times. Some pheromones are way worse than others. Of course, some pheromones definitely perk up immediate energy and some even make you a bit more productive in their own way. You just have to use common sense to get around this problem. For example as a male trying to be productive, you wouldn’t want to use high doses of Androstadienone/ IFM all the time (or even much of the time) because there is a good chance it will make you depressed and even tired. However if dealing with a moody person, going back to your bottle and spraying this on will lead to less hassle and stress for you - it is well worth using in such a situation and should result in a Net Energy Gain. Using pheromones purposely in this way should lead to more control over your life and less things standing in the way (so you wont be constantly bogged down). You can therefore devote more energy into improving your lot in life… [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) v1.0 for WOMEN Released Jasmin (October 11, 2006): "…No, this wouldn’t be good for him at all. What they don’t tell you in most studies on androstadienone, is that while it soothes women, it makes many men non-talkative or even depressed. That’s why we call it Female Magic. While we’ve worked to counteract the negatives on men even moreso than we have on our version of Instant Female Magic for men (by adding estratetraenol and other pheromones, which are not sexual in nature), it still won’t necessarily be walk in the park for guys. It’ll just be less potentially depressing to men than the original Instant Female Magic. The only relief men get from Instant Female Magic is by having a happier partner…" ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/17 "2009-05-30T15:48:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Socrates > Using pheromones purposely in this way should lead to more control over your life and less things standing in the way (so you wont be constantly bogged down). You can therefore devote more energy into improving your lot in life… At the same time, using the mones purposely to one’s advantage for short-term gain must be balanced with long term considerations of what you are doing. It is not just an ethical thing but also about building true congruence with the ‘fun alpha male with good character and integrity’ image that a good pheromone signature helps to cultivate and women are attracted to (but definitely don’t supplicate either)… I am not going to post relevant posts here (out of respect for the posts - and hey everyone makes mistakes on occasion) but some issues that may have occur with pheromone use are: - using them as an aid (though one could say ‘alcohol’ and ‘nice clothing’ is also an ‘aid’) to potentially ‘stealing’ or just messing around with someone else’s spouse (assuming there is no kind of ‘open relationship’ situation); - using them as manipulation aid to taking a religious woman’s virginity, while she is ovulating and aroused in the heat of the moment, when you are only interested in a ‘quick lay’ so to speak (assuming she hasn’t thought it through properly and you know this); - somewhat mischievous pheromone experiments that can cause trouble to people around you (like scaring the crap out of people for one’s own amusement; wearing lots of A1 around men, especially those who are easily depressed by it in order to gain an advantage over them; or wearing AndrostEnone to a sexual addicts anonymous meeting); - spreading around information that you were given by someone in strict confidence (perhaps under the influence of [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) ). Is YOUR behaviour/beliefs congruent with the ‘fun alpha male with good character and integrity’ image that a good pheromone signature helps to cultivate and women are attracted to… in those types of situations? Bounces Pheromone Report MadisonTate (November 23, 2007): “Well, pheros are not ethical within themselves. You can use an axe to save someones life, like a firefighter would, or to commit murder.” Lifeguard (November 17, 2008): "I found push-pull to be a fun thing I used to do when I was younger to get women in a frame to chase me. It works if you do it right. Back in the 80’s, we used to call it "putting a woman on the rollercoaster. I have been trying to stay away from games and being more of a genuine person. I have found that manipulation, games, etc will only bring on more defensive techniques from a woman, and just more fake personality and games from her. Like LMR. This is when she realizes that she’s being played and/or you are not congruent to the person she was initially attracted to. Sometimes being a genuine man will not get you laid as much or quickly with a lot of fake women but in the long run it’s better for your character and integrity. I also don’t think logistics causes LMR . Women use logistics as an excuse to put on the LMR but they are really not feeling you as an attractive man anymore because of my reasons I stated above. Bad logistics can be overcome if the woman is still hot for you. Stop blaming logistics. I actually use bad logistics to make it more exciting when fucking a woman. ~Lifeguard~ [http://datingskillsforrealmen.blogspot.com](http://datingskillsforrealmen.blogspot.com)" How to Tell a Woman is Interested In You – The Master “Indicators of Interest List” Whitehall (January 14, 2009): "To the guy taking acting lessons so he can be what he thinks a girl would want him to be: Be careful. You can lose yourself that way. We all do that to some degree, at least at first, just as part of social interactions. Most of us have lied or put on a posture to get into a woman’s pants- I’d do it tonight if I thought that what it took. What I’ve found is that being the best man you can be is the best course. I’m no saint, by any measure, but I’ve worked hard at being a better man. It has paid off manyfold. It is easier to remember, for one thing! More importantly, it is what women are REALLY looking for…" ijjjji (March 10, 2009): "…BE THE MAN - ‘FICTION HERO’ Male heroes in films and romantic novels share a few traits that many girls dream of. Be these things: Impression: Strong, muscular, tough, hard, big hands, powerful, alpha, dominant, protective, masculine, confident, will power, determination, untamed, rough edges, moody, dark,dangerous, mystic, raw, rough, devilish, wild. Personality: integrity, identity, pride, honor, sense of humor, self irony, charming, charismatic, flirty, passionate, good kisser, rough lover. Hidden qualities: weaknesses, wounds, faults, openness to learning and growth, caring, attentive, tender (the clue with these is that he does a everything in his power to hide them). Some decent stuff to give noobs idea what ‘actually nice’ is to girls…" Why the phrase “be more confident” by itself is bad advice Wrlprchnx (April 22, 2009): "Magnum posted his thoughts on this almost near the start - What he said really resonated with me: Confidence is a goal, not an action I think Steve repeated it later (Confidence is a noun, not a verb) That being said… I think it largely depends on HOW someone is being told to “be confident” - In my experience people are told to be confident in a two main ways: FROM A NEGATIVE FRAMEWORK - “Just be confident” - Negative Feedback Loop An example that comes clearly to me is after failing in an interaction with a girl a guy comes back to his buddies who say “Dude, you have got to just be confident if you are ever going to get a girl”. Framed in this way the suggestion of confidence comes from an implication that both the person LACKS confidence AND that the lack of confidence makes them a less worthwhile person. Everytime that guy remembers his buddies advice he is ALSO reminded that he lacks confidence AND has a lower value as a direct result. Poor guy who still needs to figure out this self-confidence thing on his own and now also has to figure out how to get through the negative associations he has with trying to become more confident. I should note that this negative association tends to occur from repeatedly being give the advice from a negative frame. It’s also not because his buddies are bad people - typically they are offering the advice in a negative frame because they haven’t spent much time thinking about it and only really know that it is a bad thing to not have any. Negatively framed “Just be Confident” engenders a negative feedback loop - everytime confidence is thought about the lack thereof causes the thinker to lose more confidence. I THINK that Attractor had a problem with THIS type of advice. From a Positive Framework - “Your awesome dude, all you need to do is start believing it” - Positive Feedback Loop - Confidence Bubble The second common type of confidence advice generally comes when the people give you reasons why you should be confident because of things that you do well. This advice tends to be infinitely more effective in creating the feeling of self-confidence in someone - especially confidence in what that person is good at. Most people will then start to translate the confidence they feel in the area that they are receiving validation elsewhere, which because they are feeling more confident tends to cause increased validation in those areas as well. However, while confidence advice given in this framework does boost confidence… it has it’s issues… Firstly, not everyone translates confidence in being good at something into other aspects of their life. They typically end up becoming somewhat arrogant about what they do well - it is what they are good for and without it they are nothing. Highschool jocks who don’t have much else going for them tend to also fall prey and end up flailing for quite awhile after high school. The second problem happens to people who translate the confidence to others areas of their life. Typically the confidence gain from these positive feedback loops is easy - it feels good because people keep telling you how good you are (directly at first, indirectly by reacting positively to you later). Oftentimes it makes it really easy to feel really good about yourself REALLY QUICK. However, a significant part of the confidence from these loops ends up being from EXTERNAL VALIDATION. The problem here is that because the confidence comes cheap you don’t need to examine yourself. You don’t need to INTERNALLY VALIDATE. You end up with a confidence bubble. Now that never really becomes an issue… unless the positive feedback loop ever dries up. Almost inevitably it does dry up and just like the housing bubble - your confidence drops lower than where it should be based on how confident you are due to internal validation (which I would call your baseline confidence level). It’s just like the real estate market bubble… when it pops shit gets bad. We see it happen with celebrities who rise too quickly and come crashing down… I’ve had a positive feedback loop confidence bubble pop on me - it wasn’t pretty… I made alot of mistakes that hurt people close to me. * * * I think both of the common ways people are told to “be more confident” tend to be counter-productive. True confidence comes from becoming internally validated - it takes time, experience, and most importantly EFFORT to develop. You need to examine yourself, what you believe, your faults, your strengths and most importantly be truthful to yourself while doing it. You need to spend time and effort examining your motivations, where you want to go and why you want to go there. It’s a long, sometimes arduous process… Personally I hope it will be worth it… I’m only just starting myself." [http://junkyfungus.com/?p=196](http://junkyfungus.com/?p=196) Steve (December 30, 2008): Leaving Value: The best PUA’s always leave some behind "…The thing is now though, I have been doing something a bit different. Not just with her, but with all my girls. I’ve discovered that the ALPHA male is not just a guy who has his fill of tail. He isn’t just the guy that bangs every girl he meets that he wants to. I won’t try to define what ALPHA is here in this blog in one blog post. An ALPHA male, after all cannot be defined that way, an ALPHA male is ever growing. He is alive and perpetually increasing his knowledge, world wisdom, creativity, charm all the things that make him so likable. The ALPHA male is a guy that always leaves everyone he meets a little better than before they met him. We are the worlds Kane in Kung Fu, traveling from place to place our wisdom leading others to always do the right thing. Even the enemy who ultimately defeat themselves in all the Kung Fu episodes, even though some require a good Hason Chop to the Neck are left better off than when they started. He leaves everyone with VALUE… As an ALPHA male it is our responsibility to always leave everyone a little better off than before we met them. I’m not saying you should supplicate, be the sweetheart, but you can be the friend and still have sex. That’s the best kind anyway. The ALPHA is going to be passionate, confident and always leave VALUE. Another tag to the increasing list of ALPHA male traits." ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 12:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/18 "2009-11-01T12:36:49Z")
The below threads have certain examples of difficulties some guys have had trying to follow the traditional attraction systems based on ‘approaching first’: Gaming with a messed up brain? (TRDE59 with ADHD/inattentive type) The real truth about phero users… (yenny520 with Asperger Syndrome) “…If you approach her first, it takes a lot of time, energy and effort to master the skill of creating attraction- after all, if she’s an attractive woman, men approach her all the time. But if she approaches you, she’s already decided she’s attracted. When that happens you get to skip all the dating BS, and get straight to the fun part, no matter if you’re looking for fun in the moment or a long term relationship. It’s YOUR decision…” (secrets of natural attraction, page 5 by John Alanis) For guys like TRDE59 and yenny520, they might be best off to spend more time and expend more effort in finding and developing their own talent(s), rather than trying to develop something their brain is not suited for. “…During my entire “attraction career,” I’ve found there’s one important element in the ability to attract women to you, and that’s this: women are naturally attracted to men who define authority for them. If you put yourself in an “authority defining position” women can’t help but be attracted to you…” (secrets of natural attraction, page 3 by John Alanis) Centered mones tacitus (April 3, 2006): " many factors to consider… Do you otherwise stand out in some way ? I have the best outcomes when there is an environment or activity where I can already demonstrate some personal excellence…" It doesn’t mean guys like TRDE59 and yenny520 should ignore understanding social awareness fundamentals, of course, as they will have to keep a woman attracted too in the long-term and just defining authority for them will not be enough if one has severe deficiencies in other areas. Used cleverly, pheromones may help such guys in developing their talents. The friendlier pheromones (like TAK) may make their days a little easier by being more accepted by others. A314 will lead to ‘being taken more seriously’ and having their space respected (though it could backfire at times by creating ‘more distance’). Less energy expenditure on the stresses of everyday life (including ‘small talk’ for some!) means more energy availability for finding and developing their talent(s)… Hello from pheremone experimenter Daedelus76 (May 16, 2008): “…My interest in pheremones is mostly to enhance my likeability and respect. I’m a pretty “anti-social” kind of person, always had problems as a kid with social situations and picking up on the little cues. Maybe I have a bit of Asperger’s Syndrome/Autism…” molecule K=TAK Daedelus76 (July 1, 2008): "I’ve never encountered anything negative with TAK or WAGG. Certainly I’ve never felt bullied or pushed around wearing it. It affects everybody, I think some people miss that a bit. It’s also not necessarily designed for “hitting” on people. I’ve had good luck with either TAK or WAGG for initiating small talk with people, something that is hard to do where I currently live (near Orlando). It helps me feel more comfortable talking to people, and it also helps other people take down some of their defensiveness. If you can keep that in mind, that it has a specific effect and job, it can serve you well and of course it isn’t for everybody. Some people don’t need TAK . If you are already non-serious, not very intense or threatening, and have no problems with small talk and so forth, you don’t need TAK or WAGG" molecule K=TAK Daedelus76 (July 21, 2008): “…In general I am finding using TAK or more WAGG works for me. Not necessarily for attracting women but it does make my day easier.” a314 OD MHarris (March 30, 2006): "…That is one of the few “problems”. In a way, I don’t actually like the amount of status that A314 brings. People treat you like you’re better than them – and I don’t think that’s in tune reality. I think all people are incredibly capable (whether or not they use that capability), so, right or wrong, I tend to see people as equals. Now while I don’t necessarily like being put on a pedestal, I do like the amount of COOPERATION the status change brings. Almost anything I ask for, I’ll get with A314 … and people tend to cooperate with you happily, not begrudgingly or with secret disdain. It also gives me incredible access to others. I’ve been able to meet all the key people I’ve wanted to with it. A314 + a little self volition = some incredible personal power. Really great for a “man with a plan” – like invisible support for your will. You could say “it’s got it your back”. " Hello from Down Under Jasmin (January 22, 2007): “…When you’re totally jazzed up about how those work in your social life, talk to me about picking up a bottle of A314 and how to best use it. I literally have an entire filing cabinet and half a harddrive filled up with the most amazing stories about how A314 changes people’s lives… but it’s more a product that should be used by people who have an idea what pheros can do for them. That’s why I’m saying to get Ammo and Shine first. …” ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-have-you-used-mones-to-create-a-more-attractive-lifestyle-to-be-a-better-man/27339/19 "2009-11-27T00:02:15Z")
**Clever use of the right pheromones may allow one to ‘close people off’ to some extent/help to create some kind of boundaries so that they as not to let them take advantage of you. These may be people whose psychology is simply naturally such as to be a stumbling block to you being successful.** Of course one has to be careful not to draw positive influences away too if he/she is trying to do this - for example wearing A314 around a younger peer group may have the unintended consequences of closing friends off too: see ['Younger man's A314' fuzed with the 'cool guy vibe': combining MX105 with P74 - #23 by Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/younger-mans-a314-fuzed-with-the-cool-guy-vibe-combining-mx105-with-p74/6929/23) > [@When will the new Pheromones To Go section have products?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-go/579/18): > > That’s mostly a rone effect. Rone alone, though, has too much of a provider feeling to it… sort of like a giant, male placental figure. Rone alone can get you walked all over, and have your lover seeking a -none male during ovulation. A314 is a more stately, alpha take on rone. Kids love it, and nobody will take advantage of you. You could try the experimental mix MX105 for a potentially more ‘romantic’ variation. [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) is more for the Clint Eastwood personality type. You should … MHarris (August 25, 2006): “…A314 is a more stately, alpha take on Androsterone. Kids love it, **and nobody will take advantage of you.** You could try the experimental mix MX105 for a potentially more ‘romantic’ variation…” > [@I'm not your friend formula?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/11): > > Experiment a bit and see how she reacts. A314 and Ammunition can be a highly aggressive combination, and does carry some potential to close people off if the dosing is off. If it causes too much awkwardness and/or closes her off, tone it down and use some IFM. You might want to experiment on other women to see how they react, just so you have some insight on how to approach things when she’s around. Don’t fret it too much if things don’t go your way right away. Take note of what happened a… sigma (March 23, 2007): “…A314 and Ammunition can be a highly aggressive combination, and **does carry some potential to close people off if the dosing is off** …” > [@How pheros changed my life](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-pheros-changed-my-life/6300/1): > > Hello people, I seem to be a newbie but I had already bought from [smartmones.com](http://smartmones.com) before and I usually check the forum for tips but I rarely post something. heres my story of how pheros changed my life (in a way) First, I have Asperger Syndrome (a kind of autism) and I was very unsociable and a friendless/very shy guy, until I found out about pheros in a science book, and I ended at this store (luckily this was the first website that showed on google and I didnt brought from other websites) My … yenny520 (October 30, 2007): “…First, I have Asperger Syndrome (a kind of autism) and I was very unsociable and a friendless/very shy guy, until I found out about pheros in a science book, and I ended at this store (luckily this was the first website that showed on google and I didnt brought from other websites) My first reaction was skeptical and I thought it was a scam like penis enlargement viagra, but my curiosity got me because deep in my heart I always wished for something like pheros to help me. and I decided to buy some to try. My first one was Instant Shine (great that worked on me and on the people around me) the first time that used it, I felt more happy like it was described on the product but I though it was just a placebo effect. I didnt noticed any big and “seeable” changes on the firsts days but later I noticed people were much friendier that before or it was a coincidence? Then I decided to buy some Alpha [A314] because the thing I needed was more attention and a “man aura”, and when my order came and I tried in the first week (2 drops a day) it wasnt miracously at all like the way it was described by others users in this forum. Then, sometime later, IT became noticeable, the effect on people and how their behaviours changed when I was around with pheros, **old bullies that often called me with very mean names are just now quiet around me and havent for a long time insulted me and when theyre addresing me they use my real name,** often I can see girls staring at me with interest when they thought Im not looking…” > [@Advice from the women: Gifts](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-from-the-women-gifts/32043/10): > > Triumphant, I find that androsterone containing products tend to make me feel more centred and less under the influence of circumstances. I feel like I have stronger boundaries and am more able to enforce them. I don’t know if this has the same effect on women. However, if you have any [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) or A314, let her try a little of it and see if it helps. tezza23 (August 31, 2009): “Triumphant, I find that androsterone containing products tend to make me feel more centred and less under the influence of circumstances. **I feel like I have stronger boundaries and am more able to enforce them.** I don’t know if this has the same effect on women. However, if you have any [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) or A314 , let her try a little of it and see if it helps.” > **[PheromoneTalk](https://pheromonetalk.com/messages-michael/logistical-problem-time-depleted-possible-pause-34656-4.html)** > > Everything about using pheromones to enhance your social life tezza23 (September 6, 2009): "…**As someone with (I suspect) Asperger’s,** it isn’t that way for me. I do understand that other people have feelings, just as I have feelings, but I can’t connect with them easily. Also, people seem to feel and do things for reasons that make no sense to me at all. It’s hard to get into people’s heads and understand what’s going on in their minds. I think this is because of an abnormal lack of development of the right brain, which handles emotions, art and other “wholistic” functions. A person who can easily read another’s face is picking up on that from minimal, incomplete information and extremely subtle cues. Edit: I also am physically clumsy, find anything visual/spacial (driving, drawing, jigsaw puzzles) difficult, and my left hand (controlled by the right brain) is a LOT less dextrous than the right. That’s why I think the right brain is involved. Abnormal lack of development in the right brain is also typical of violent psychopaths and other violent criminals. In those persons, the right brain is actually physically smaller than in most people."