# How MUch?/How Long? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 16, 2006, 3:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-how-long/1168 "2006-12-16T03:25:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PrinceVince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@PrinceVince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PrinceVince)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2006, 3:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-how-long/1168/1 "2006-12-16T03:25:52Z")
i tried instant shine for the first time ever today i sprayed a spray on my wrist, rubbed it on the other wrist, and one (weak) spray , so i sprayed another on my chest…so 2 sprays in total just one weak one that not too much came out… and at first it smelled real good, and the girl i was with got real close to me, like the whole wanting to be close to you thing, and laughed at everything i said no matter how retarded…but then it wore off after like barely an hour…and there was nothing i dont want this girl or anything, but i just wanted to see her reaction u know, so good at first but then it wore off so fast i was wondering, if i wear too many layers of clothes…cold weather, any of those factors??? or maybe perhaps the fact that we were studying and stressed about some science bullshit had to do with it too or maybe i didnt spray enough of it on???..how long is this stuff supposed to last??? any advice??? ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2006, 5:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-how-long/1168/2 "2006-12-16T05:10:41Z")
I usually wear at least 3-4 sprays of IS, and it lasts strongly for about 3 hours, less strong for the next 3 hours. I wear it where it will diffuse, usually around my neck. ---
**Author:** ![BlazingAzn88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/49beb7/32.png) [@BlazingAzn88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BlazingAzn88)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2006, 6:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-how-long/1168/3 "2006-12-16T06:03:16Z")
What kind are you using? Is it the normal or the 2x strength version? This goes for both Carrie and PrinceVince… and anyone else actually ---
**Author:** ![smoothplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@smoothplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smoothplayer)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2006, 6:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-how-long/1168/4 "2006-12-16T06:23:12Z")
^ the [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) x2 is pretty strong. I haven’t used it for more than 3 days (or applications) now, but I am convinced it is more beneficial to the user of the pheromone themselves. I find wearing 1 spray (of x2 strength) on my upper lip, under my nose, keeps me going the entire day. The first time I tried this it was like being temporarily stoned. The second and third times it has been a lot smoother transition from applying to “feeling” it. The energy is very uplifiting, and much stronger than any caffeinated drink. In fact, it doesn’t make me jittery either, which is awesome. Vince, perhaps what you experienced was the sudden effects of just recently applying. On the product pages and on many posts, users have said that the first 15-20min within application, you’ll get the strongest effects. Perhaps after the 1.5hrs you were still getting effects of it, but since they were not as pronounced, you didn’t notice? I don’t have much experience under my belt with Instant Shine, so take that with a grain of salt - I’m also somewhat curious about your question. ---
**Author:** ![PrinceVince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@PrinceVince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PrinceVince)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2006, 9:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-how-long/1168/5 "2006-12-16T09:27:35Z")
i have the normal version ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2006, 10:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-how-long/1168/6 "2006-12-16T10:00:24Z")
The “want to be close” thing you describe is interesting. I have the impression that “personal space violation” is one of the more clear-cut effects of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). Let’s consider how much “action” there is, and for how long, from a dose of IS spray. The first, intense self-effects. On others, the first moment of “surprise” – a level of pheromone high enough to covertly command their conscious attention; but also unconsciously ‘push’ them to get closer physically (along with other “core” effects of the IS molecules.) So then, as the level of molecules fades over time, the unconscious and conscious mind are occupied with performing the molecule-inspired behaviors. But both conscious and unconscious are also going to be busy noticing responses and analyzing those responses. If you use an invisible molecule to “push” some behavior in a person, it shouldn’t be surprising that they stand back and try to figure out why they did what they just did. The more profound / surprising the effect, the more puzzled the average person **should be** about just why they acted as they did. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Pongo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Pongo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pongo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2006, 10:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-how-long/1168/7 "2006-12-16T10:23:50Z")
from MarkL \>\>\> If you use an invisible molecule to “push” some behavior in a person, it shouldn’t be surprising that they stand back and try to figure out why they did what they just did. The more profound / surprising the effect, the more puzzled the average person **should be** about just why they acted as they did. There is a woman at work that touches me a couple of times a week (in a friendly way) and I think se wishes she hadnt, thats the way it looks to me anyway yet she keeps doing it - I’m still trying to figure that one out, she makes about 12 times what I make so I’m not going to ask her out - I think she might feel insulted by it - besides the sexual tension is a blast 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Grumble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@Grumble](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Grumble)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2006, 10:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-how-long/1168/8 "2006-12-16T10:57:07Z")
I went out with a spray on each wrist of the normal strength last night. I didn’t notice any effects at all, didn’t feel anything myself either, though it smells nice Was the first time I used it so will try again with more. Also had one spray of female magic on the back of my neck as well. ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2006, 12:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-how-long/1168/9 "2006-12-16T12:31:10Z")
PrinceVince, I have the normal strength. Grumble, wrist application is a good idea for pheromones that you _don’t_ want to affect you (like [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), perhaps, or sometimes Instant Honesty) … Instant Shine is one that I definitely want to affect me, so I apply it closer to my nose. The upper lip, as smoothplayer describes, is an excellent place for IS. Some of us take a shot directly to the face! You can almost bathe in IS! The more you inhale it, the better it will work. The self-effects of IS are a huge part of how it works. As far as noticing others’ reactions, it’s best to apply and then forget about it - don’t get really self-conscious, watching other’s responses all day; people find that a little creepy or insecure-appearing! - just go about your life and then review events at the end of the day. I keep a little phero log to track my experiences. ---
**Author:** ![PrinceVince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@PrinceVince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PrinceVince)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2006, 12:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-how-long/1168/10 "2006-12-17T00:40:54Z")
ok so basically what you’re saying is, instant shine is useless…it only affects you but has pretty much no affect on others, but just makes you happier, and only a little bit if you spray by the nose? it seems like an effect that anyone who makes a bit of effort even without [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) could achieve relatively easily ??? ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2006, 1:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-how-long/1168/11 "2006-12-17T01:03:29Z")
> [@PrinceVince](#): > > ok so basically what you’re saying is, instant shine is useless…it only affects you but has pretty much no affect on others, but just makes you happier, and only a little bit if you spray by the nose? > > it seems like an effect that anyone who makes a bit of effort even without pheromones could achieve relatively easily > > ??? It makes you AND anybody else in the area more upbeat. It’s just that IShine is often worn by people who want to affect _themselves_ as much if not more than someone else. (This is actually true of all the phero products too. Depends on what it is you are trying to do.) It’s going to depend a bit on where you apply it as well. How well it gets “out there.” Those who apply under nose or to face etc are looking mostly to affect themselves. If you want to affect others as well, then you’d apply to a wider area of your body for example, like arms, chest, neck, etc. (bare, exposed skin). ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2006, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-how-long/1168/12 "2006-12-17T02:24:33Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > It makes you AND anybody else in the area more upbeat. It’s just that Instant Shine is often worn by people who want to affect _themselves_ as much if not more than someone else. ( **This is actually true of all the phero products too**. Depends on what it is you are trying to do.) > > It’s going to depend a bit on where you apply it as well. How well it gets “out there.” Those who apply under nose or to face etc are looking mostly to affect themselves. If you want to affect others as well, then you’d apply to a wider area of your body for example, like arms, chest, neck, etc. (bare, exposed skin). Exactly - That’s the real secret of phero use. Their effects on you subtly influence your behavior and _that_ influences how you’re perceived by others, as much as the pheromones directly influencing them. Which means that you’ll be congruent - your behavior and your pheromones will match, thus appearing _natural_.