# How much -None is needed to OD? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 20, 2007, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-none-is-needed-to-od/2606 "2007-03-20T19:40:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Goose](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Goose)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2007, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-none-is-needed-to-od/2606/1 "2007-03-20T19:40:36Z")
I thought I had this topic understood until I read that [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) contained 12mcg -none per spray šŸ˜® I thought that it was dangerous using 2+ sprays of TUTH which only contains 2.5mch per spray. About at what dose of -none does the danger of OD for a 18 year old start? 5,10,15,20? Also another quick question, how much -none does Ammo v1.0 contain per spray? ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2007, 8:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-none-is-needed-to-od/2606/2 "2007-03-20T20:15:00Z")
It depends on the individual. There are some where just the slightest touch is an OD, and there are some, like Gegogi, who can literally bathe in it. So we canā€™t give you hard and fast numbers, youā€™ll have to start out small and increase until you find the point on you. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2007, 8:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-none-is-needed-to-od/2606/3 "2007-03-20T20:15:11Z")
honestly, you could be in the danger zone with just 1 spray. You may be able to wear a lot before and OD as well. Lets you are an average mildly athletic male. You -none product would be pretty high at the age of 18. If you have O blood type then it would be even higher. Now if you had A or B for your blood type (i think ab is included as well) then your -none production would be less, and 1 spray would probably be ok. If you are asian, you may be able to pull of 2 spays as they produce next to no -none. Itā€™s realy hard to say. An OD isnā€™t as bad as it sounds, and sometimes you get strong responses with ODā€™s. Instant jerk uses that philosiphy, and one should expect negative results when using that product. The best idea is to test out your OD limit, and sacrifice one night to intentionaly increase dosage until you hit an OD level. (yes this might suck as you could have a target responding then turn her off, or you may ramp the situation up and have her responding to OD levels) Think of -none like an engine. If play it safe and run rich on your air/fuel mixture you wonā€™t produce as much power as possible, but your motor wonā€™t blow up. If you get the mix perfect you will produce optimal power, and increase longevity of the motor. If you lean it out, you produce more power than a perfect mix, but go just a little bit to far and BOOOM! Pistons will be shooting out of the bottom of the engine and tiny pieces of metal will be coming out of the exaust. Every racer has blown up at least one engine. You gain knowledge and experience through failure. So go out and blow up an engine or two. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2007, 11:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-none-is-needed-to-od/2606/4 "2007-03-20T23:16:37Z")
ā€œ_You better blow an engine or two_ā€ with whistling in the background from the film Oliver. [Targa Tasmania](http://www.targa.org.au/) Have you heard of the NASCAR version of Whereā€™s Waldo? The idea is the same, but in each picture you have to find the one woman without the two black eyes.šŸ˜® ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2007, 12:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-none-is-needed-to-od/2606/5 "2007-03-21T00:19:15Z")
> [@](#): > > If you are asian, you may be able to pull of 2 spays as they produce next to no -none. I can easily wear 10 dabs of NPA with fun results at parties and bars. No aggressive male behavior and drives the womenfolk nuts. Just be sure to wear appropriate cover so you donā€™t OD on the rank piss/armpit smell. ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 1:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-none-is-needed-to-od/2606/6 "2007-03-23T01:54:29Z")
ā€œInstant Jerkā€ is designed to be a over-the-top androstenone OD product that is to be used at your own riskā€¦ thatā€™s why itā€™s known as a ā€œfantasyā€ product. Androstenone is very tricky. As was said, some can OD with just a whiff, others can take a bath in it. I for one think it is overrated and often unnecessary. Then again Iā€™m an old fart whoā€™s ā€œbeen there done that,ā€ and Iā€™m not sure my age-peer group would react all that well to the stuff (over 50), although my ā€œtargetā€ age range might (35+). If you want to experiment go with a To Go size [Turn Up the Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) or similar at a relatively low dose. Or go with a high dose and be prepared to duck.