# How often does androtics make new batches? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 30, 2010, 2:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215 "2010-08-30T02:18:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![johnnyhammersticks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e0b2c6/32.png) [@johnnyhammersticks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/johnnyhammersticks)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 2:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/1 "2010-08-30T02:18:44Z")
So i got a faaaat paycheck today. Come on here all excited to buy some new mones, and EVERYTHING I want is out of stock šŸ˜• Hahaha does anyone have a vague idea of how often they release new batches of the products, or should I just kick back and wait for them to magically appear? ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 2:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/2 "2010-08-30T02:48:27Z")
2 weeks or so ---
**Author:** ![johnnyhammersticks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e0b2c6/32.png) [@johnnyhammersticks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/johnnyhammersticks)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 3:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/3 "2010-08-30T03:42:30Z")
good to know, ill be poised hahaha. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 3:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/4 "2010-08-30T03:46:57Z")
FYI [AMMUNITION FF22 ā€œWorld Editionā€. :: Archive & Alternative Versions :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) in stock ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 4:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/5 "2010-08-30T16:31:32Z")
LOL, not sure how anything is out of stock when we have numerous posts of people working around the clock šŸ˜‰. I think Mickaelia restocked this morning when her and I began work.šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/6 "2010-08-30T20:02:58Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > LOL, not sure how anything is out of stock when we have numerous posts of people working around the clock šŸ˜‰. I think Mickaelia restocked this morning when her and I began work.šŸ™‚ _Cough_ MX353 _Cough_ ---
**Author:** ![Vivid\_Boy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vivid_boy/32/2225_2.png) [@Vivid\_Boy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vivid_Boy)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 8:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/7 "2010-08-30T20:12:58Z")
> [@paradox1](#): > > _Cough_ MX353 _Cough_ _elbow jab_ MX353 _elbow jab_ ---
**Author:** ![johnnyhammersticks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e0b2c6/32.png) [@johnnyhammersticks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/johnnyhammersticks)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/8 "2010-08-31T00:04:55Z")
> [@vivid boy](#): > > _elbow jab_ mx353 _elbow jab_ _poke_ mx353 _poke_ ---
**Author:** ![ppHamelin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pphamelin/32/758_2.png) [@ppHamelin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ppHamelin)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 4:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/9 "2010-08-31T04:42:33Z")
MX353 P93Steveā€™s special concotion more powerful than MX353ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/10 "2010-08-31T13:13:20Z")
> [@johnnyhammersticks](#): > > So i got a faaaat paycheck today. Come on here all excited to buy some new mones, and EVERYTHING I want is out of stock šŸ˜• > > Hahaha does anyone have a vague idea of how often they release new batches of the products, or should I just kick back and wait for them to magically appear? What did you want thatā€™s not in stock, dear? Weā€™re still shaking out the cobwebs from our recent move, but rest assured Iā€™ve working hard with John, Jacob and Ben to get everything working smoothly again. That definitely includes restocking admidst all the other duties. We have a few goodies already made. Thereā€™s MX390, which is [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) with FF21 (the default scent in Ammo) instead of Akuto. Thereā€™s an anol and anone split test pack, which will show people with real-world examples of how differing synthesis processes create different results. Chemistry isnā€™t as magical and standardized as some believe. Results do vary depending on who does the chemistry, and how they do it. We also made up 48 packs of part 1 of ā€œProject UFā€. Weā€™re helping a partner build the type of mix we normally donā€™t promote much here, but itā€™ll be of interest to many men. Weā€™re holding off on releasing all of this until Tuesday or Wednesday (today or tomorrow) since weā€™re also retooling how we release. Just so everyone knows (pass the word), shipping costs are one of the primary things that killing us (literally). We want to pick just 1 day every week or two to inject both new and re-issued MXs. That way we can hopefully reduce the small orders that we break even or lose money on. To continue on releasing anything at all, we have to avoid whatā€™s called called ā€œprofitless revenueā€. Thatā€™s where you may see money coming in, but as much or more goes out for the same order. That really kills companies, especially now in this very fragile (and _weird_!) economy. To help get us adapt to the ā€œnew economyā€, weā€™re also in the middle of testing a new product delivery system with a partner, to see if we can drive shipping costs down on basics from A314 and the Instant Line. Maybe even some tried & true MXs. The stuff everyone likes. I want to see if I can get most non-custom orders physically _out_ of our LA lab so it can focus more on formulating. More on new MXs and custom orders and less on shipping the things that anybody competent could ship. It costs _a lot_ to run our specialized operation. Too often more than we earn. From the very finest American chemicals from one of the worldā€™s top chemists, to discounted FedEx and DHL shipping (where we eat some costs), to all the slow and labor-intensive custom work we do every single day, this couldnā€™t be much more complicated and more expensive project to run. Donā€™t let the standard looking shopping cart fool you. This nothing like the typical internet business behind the scenes. This is more like bolting a shipping department onto Appleā€™s R&D lab, shipping 5 to 50 versions of the ipad and letting you choose which one you like the best! Itā€™s a tall order. Like most businesses, though, we also donā€™t have ā€œthe floatā€ or ā€œoperating cushionā€ that credit used to offer in the US back when banks made loans and offered credit lines. We used to really on those lines heavily for growth, and also to get us through bad months. Now with minimal credit (at no fault of our own except for being US based), itā€™s like being in one of the worldā€™s hardest circusā€™ without a safety net. Thatā€™s why weā€™re trying our hardest to reorganize our resources to stay afloat in this very difficult business environment, and hopefully get back to innovating again. This project is _wayyyy_ too hard and complex to continue to be worth the effort without the satisfaction we get from innovation. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/11 "2010-08-31T13:16:21Z")
when you do something in ff21 is it in cologne strength or normal cover scent strength? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 2:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/12 "2010-08-31T14:00:27Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > when you do something in ff21 is it in cologne strength or normal cover scent strength? Depends on the application. We try to use the right tool for the job. I think in the new FF21 based version of MX297 itā€™s 15%, which is a lot higher than weā€™d use with [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/), but MX297 itself was almost cologne strength. Since most people donā€™t seem to use more than 2 or 3 sprays of 297, that might be okay. It probably couldā€™ve been lower, though, huh? Itā€™s not used much for cover in this one, though. The contents of MX297 donā€™t smell too bad. Itā€™s mostly to match the old MX297 in scent-strength, and to help with both fixation and diffusion (the two things that are always with each other, but which you always need!) Project UF, Iā€™m pretty sure is 20% (full cologne strenght) due to the mones used. Iā€™m guessing probably reek horribly with less, so 20% probably is ā€œnormal cover strengthā€ for a special project like this. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 2:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/13 "2010-08-31T14:21:14Z")
Project UF? Are you just talking about [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) or something separate? Also what is the difference between ammo and ammo world edition? šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Vivid\_Boy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vivid_boy/32/2225_2.png) [@Vivid\_Boy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vivid_Boy)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 2:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/14 "2010-08-31T14:23:25Z")
jasmin any clue when the mx353 is coming in? or did you adress that in your initial post and i was too half asleep to notice it? ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 3:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/15 "2010-08-31T15:25:07Z")
> [@Vivid\_Boy](#): > > jasmin any clue when the mx353 is coming in? or did you adress that in your initial post and i was too half asleep to notice it? Might not be in for a while from what Iā€™ve read. I think theyā€™re working on other options. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 3:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/16 "2010-08-31T15:27:45Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Depends on the application. We try to use the right tool for the job. > > I think in the new FF21 based version of MX297 itā€™s 15%, which is a lot higher than weā€™d use with Neroli, but MX297 itself was almost cologne strength. > > Since most people donā€™t seem to use more than 2 or 3 sprays of 297, that might be okay. It probably couldā€™ve been lower, though, huh? > > Itā€™s not used much for cover in this one, though. The contents of MX297 donā€™t smell too bad. Itā€™s mostly to match the old MX297 in scent-strength, and to help with both fixation and diffusion (the two things that are always with each other, but which you always need!) > > Project UF, Iā€™m pretty sure is 20% (full cologne strenght) due to the mones used. Iā€™m guessing probably reek horribly with less, so 20% probably is ā€œnormal cover strengthā€ for a special project like this. šŸ™‚ Jas, Since you decided to go with 15% was it because Neroli was too strong, or is it because FF21 is a better fixative for the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) in MX297? The reason Iā€™m asking is Iā€™m curious to find out if Akuto has that effect on diffusion and fixing molecules on the skin that just works well with MX297. BTW thanks for responding to our requests for a different scented option. ---
**Author:** ![level](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85e7bf/32.png) [@level](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/level)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 1:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/17 "2010-09-01T01:04:12Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > What did you want thatā€™s not in stock, dear? > > Weā€™re still shaking out the cobwebs from our recent move, but rest assured Iā€™ve working hard with John, Jacob and Ben to get everything working smoothly again. That definitely includes restocking admidst all the other duties. > > We have a few goodies already made. Thereā€™s MX380, which is MX297 with FF21 (the default scent in Ammo) instead of Akuto. Thereā€™s an anol and anone split test pack, which will show people with real-world examples of how differing synthesis processes create different results. Chemistry isnā€™t as magical and standardized as some believe. Results do vary depending on who does the chemistry, and how they do it. > > We also made up 48 packs of part 1 of ā€œProject UFā€. Weā€™re helping a partner build the type of mix we normally donā€™t promote much here, but itā€™ll be of interest to many men. > > Weā€™re holding off on releasing all of this until Tuesday or Wednesday (today or tomorrow) since weā€™re also retooling how we release. > > Just so everyone knows (pass the word), shipping costs are one of the primary things that killing us (literally). We want to pick just 1 day every week or two to inject both new and re-issued MXs. That way we can hopefully reduce the small orders that we break even or lose money on. > > To continue on releasing anything at all, we have to avoid whatā€™s called called ā€œprofitless revenueā€. Thatā€™s where you may see money coming in, but as much or more goes out for the same order. That really kills companies, especially now in this very fragile (and _weird_!) economy. > > To help get us adapt to the ā€œnew economyā€, weā€™re also in the middle of testing a new product delivery system with a partner, to see if we can drive shipping costs down on basics from A314 and the Instant Line. Maybe even some tried & true MXs. The stuff everyone likes. > > I want to see if I can get most non-custom orders physically _out_ of our LA lab so it can focus more on formulating. More on new MXs and custom orders and less on shipping the things that anybody competent could ship. > > It costs _a lot_ to run our specialized operation. Too often more than we earn. From the very finest American chemicals from one of the worldā€™s top chemists, to discounted FedEx and DHL shipping (where we eat some costs), to all the slow and labor-intensive custom work we do every single day, this couldnā€™t be much more complicated and more expensive project to run. > > Donā€™t let the standard looking shopping cart fool you. This nothing like the typical internet business behind the scenes. This is more like bolting a shipping department onto Appleā€™s R&D lab, shipping 5 to 50 versions of the ipad and letting you choose which one you like the best! Itā€™s a tall order. > > Like most businesses, though, we also donā€™t have ā€œthe floatā€ or ā€œoperating cushionā€ that credit used to offer in the US back when banks made loans and offered credit lines. We used to really on those lines heavily for growth, and also to get us through bad months. Now with minimal credit (at no fault of our own except for being US based), itā€™s like being in one of the worldā€™s hardest circusā€™ without a safety net. > > Thatā€™s why weā€™re trying our hardest to reorganize our resources to stay afloat in this very difficult business environment, and hopefully get back to innovating again. This project is _wayyyy_ too hard and complex to continue to be worth the effort without the satisfaction we get from innovation. cant you use UPS or USPS for competitive pricing? Just curious &trying to help.. šŸ™‚ level ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 1:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/18 "2010-09-01T01:28:16Z")
> [@empath](#): > > Project UF? Are you just talking about MX297 or something separate? > > Also what is the difference between ammo and ammo world edition? šŸ˜› Project UF is a new project that weā€™re doing with an outside interst, an type of extension of ā€œThe Great Androstenone Experimentā€ we did years ago. We want take that basic research into great [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) pairs and start to build a killer mix with it. MX297 is completely separate. Ammo smells more like Creed Green Irish Tweed, and World smells more like Silver Mountain Water. The simple reasoning being that Americans tend to dig GIT more, and non-Americans SMW (read up on [basenotes.com](http://basenotes.com) and youā€™ll see) šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Wolfishgrin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfishgrin/32/1082_2.png) [@Wolfishgrin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfishgrin)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/19 "2010-09-01T01:31:00Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Ammo smells more like Creed Green Irish Tweed, and World smells more like Silver Mountain Water. The simple reasoning being that Americans tend to dig GIT more, and non-Americans SMW (read up on [basenotes.com](http://basenotes.com) and youā€™ll see) šŸ™‚ Any insight into what would smell more like Game scent Jasmin?! ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215/20 "2010-09-01T01:31:11Z")
> [@Vivid\_Boy](#): > > jasmin any clue when the mx353 is coming in? or did you adress that in your initial post and i was too half asleep to notice it? It already went up, and was gone in a few minutes. Due to the cost of this mix, and the fact that itā€™s old (not innovative), weā€™d prefer to not release it again until we can do a ā€œ1 per customerā€ limit in the cart itself. We are building a new cart which does exactly that. We want to make you happy, but we really need to focus more on innovation with the limited resources we have. We canā€™t afford to waste certain molecules that are hard and expensive to make. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-often-does-androtics-make-new-batches/41215.md?page=2)