# How quickly does A314 start to show effects on others? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 4, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555 "2009-06-04T02:25:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/1 "2009-06-04T02:25:27Z")
I know that in an environment where people are used to your “signature”, they do not always react right away to a new “signature”. How long has it taken to see changes in others (people who already know you) behaviors and perceptions of you, with A314? And with new people, who are encountering you for the first time, is there thus no “learning curve”? ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 2:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/2 "2009-06-04T02:57:25Z")
Depends on how often you see them… thus the… You look so good, or You have lost weight. Change in perception of smell / likeness over time I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/3 "2009-06-04T02:59:51Z")
What about people you see every day, like at work? ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 3:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/4 "2009-06-04T03:01:14Z")
I would think if it changes everyday / encounter you could not become familiar with it thus would be on the lookout for changes or variation… Ie. You smell good today, or You smell good like our second date good. ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/5 "2009-06-04T03:08:27Z")
No, but lets say I wear A314 every day to work. So at first their attitudes might not change, because they are still used to my “old” signals. How many days of exposure would it take before their behaviors towards me change in accordance with my “new” signals? ---
**Author:** ![BLADE](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blade/32/2083_2.png) [@BLADE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BLADE)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 4:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/6 "2009-06-04T04:27:03Z")
Hiya Silly 🙂 I can’t speak for A314 as I haven’t tried it as yet, but I tend to notice less impact with people that see me regularly and have already formed an opinion of who I am and what I’m like. Occasionally at work I’ll notice a clear, out of the ordinary response that I can attribute to what I’m wearing, but for the most part any changes in other’s perception of me has been verrrrrryyyyyy gradual - to the point where I usually only notice in retrospect… one of those “That wouldn’t have happened a year ago” kind of moments. That said, I’ve been working here 7 years. I would imagine it will depend on how long you’ve been working there and how well ingrained your image is to other people. But, having sounded like a total party pooper 🙂, you **can** change the perception and it’s a lot more natural and lasting if it occurs over a little bit of time rather than overnight. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 4:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/7 "2009-06-04T04:51:25Z")
For the past 2 years, I’ve worn A314 nearly everyday at work, a college campus (well I’m now off for the summer). More than anything, I find it to be a mild intensifier of an existing command structure. For example, if I act the least bit commanding, people really jump, deliver the goods, answer right back, etc. So things run smoother and I enjoy a higher level of cooperation from peers and students. It’s not very social unless I extend considerable effort. It’s not usually sexual or attractive to women, although some younger women really dig the fatherly alpha vibe it imparts (difficult to get rid of them). I find reactions to be immediate–so seconds to kick if they’re in my personal space. However, A314 reactions can not be separated from my body language, words or tone of voice. If I “tread water” and act like a friggen buddha head, there are absolutely no reactions. Zippo deluxe. So actual reactions are strongly tied to the social environment, your status and your behavior. I’m guessing if a subordinate or a student helper wore it, even if they played the fatherly alpha role to the hilt, reactions would be very different because of their status. When wearing it around people Im very close to, say my GF or mother, reactions are no different than sans mones. I usually wear A314 with SOE and/or TAA spray. Otherwise I end up eating lunch alone… ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 5:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/8 "2009-06-04T05:13:45Z")
Okay, but lets say I want to change certain people’s perceptions of me at work. I have always been respected in past jobs, and carry myself with confidence. However, due to totally slanderous and false things that have been said about me to the pseudo admin and others (and believed, because the slanderer is a smooth-talking real estate agent who could sell milk to cows even), I do not enjoy the respect that I have always enjoyed in my professional life. My excellent job performance is not seen by anyone, because I basically work alone. I have not done a thing wrong, to deserve this, except to occupy a full time position that another person covets. So, some people (not all, but unfortunately ones that count more) have a totally erroneous perception of me, based solely on false gossip. Can A314 help to change this, or am I forever doomed here, no matter what I do? ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 5:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/9 "2009-06-04T05:58:18Z")
I don’t think this is really a mone matter. Sure they help give your persona a little more impact, but changing a perception based on slanderer ain’t gonna happen with a little stinky oil. I would extend effort to inform admin and my peers of the situation and hopefully get them on my side. If it continues, I would probably confront the slanderer, but that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 6:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/10 "2009-06-04T06:57:38Z")
Fortunately HR is starting to finally listen to me and believe me, though unfortunately I think the pseudo admin and the slanderer are part of a little bitch clique. Its like fighting this constant battle, unless of course I take it to the union HGEA. But I’m just so tired… The pseudo admin is due to retire soon, unless they hire a real admin, who of course I’ll have to get to before the slanderer does, I heard they’re interviewing, but I’ve heard that for awhile now. I have confronted the slanderer, but that doesn’t stop her. This has been going on for a couple years now. I can handle it, but its just so emotionally exhausting… ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 11:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/11 "2009-06-04T11:28:56Z")
> [@Sillykitty](#): > > I know that in an environment where people are used to your “signature”, they do not always react right away to a new “signature”. > > How long has it taken to see changes in others (people who already know you) behaviors and perceptions of you, with A314? > > And with new people, who are encountering you for the first time, is there thus no “learning curve”? It might be months before you see signs of people treating you subtly differently. And it could be years before you start to appreciate the full impact. I would also caution that if you don’t back up your signature with congruent actions there is a risk of weak people trying to put you down in order to make themselves feel better (removing feelings of relative inferiority). ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 12:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/12 "2009-06-04T12:04:50Z")
Hey SK, I think if a guy is consistent in wearing it to work, by which I mean wearing it on a regular basis, but not nescessarily everyday, he would see identifiable results in the situation you describe in the weeks to months range. Being that you are female, all bets are off. I know for a guy to successfully pull off TAL he needs to wear plenty of -none and -Rone. I’m guessing for a girl to wear -Rone she’ll need plenty of TAL and TAH. Be the best you you can be, stand up to those who put you down, and stand by those who build you up. I think you’re doing a great experiment with A314 and look forward to hearing about what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/13 "2009-06-04T18:26:16Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > It might be months before you see signs of people treating you subtly differently. And it could be years before you start to appreciate the full impact. > > I would also caution that if you don’t back up your signature with congruent actions there is a risk of weak people trying to put you down in order to make themselves feel better (removing feelings of relative inferiority). My behavior hasn’t changed since I’ve started working here 3.5 years ago (except perhaps for a bit of depression, which I was able to overcome, thanks in part to starting with pheros). I am confident, honest and good at my job. Months. huh? Perhaps I should make this an ongoing experiment…after all, what have I got to lose? > [@renny](#): > > Hey SK, I think if a guy is consistent in wearing it to work, by which I mean wearing it on a regular basis, but not nescessarily everyday, he would see identifiable results in the situation you describe in the weeks to months range. > > Being that you are female, all bets are off. I know for a guy to successfully pull off TAL he needs to wear plenty of -none and -Rone. I’m guessing for a girl to wear -Rone she’ll need plenty of TAL and TAH. > > Be the best you you can be, stand up to those who put you down, and stand by those who build you up. I think you’re doing a great experiment with A314 and look forward to hearing about what happens. Hmm, thanks for the tips. I have worn it here and there, but today is the 2nd day of the “real testing”. I had only planned to do it for maybe a week, but after reading your replies, as I said, maybe I should make it an ongoing thing. What do you guys think? Yesterday and today, I just wore A314 and some cops. Tips and guidance are totally welcomed and appreciated!! I’m trying to decide how long to just wear it “straight” (though with the cops, then its not really straight). Maybe I should not use cops for now? ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 6:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/14 "2009-06-04T18:40:43Z")
I seem to remember one of the MX’s (MX134??) was listed as the “Girl A-314”. Maybe you should be wearing that instead?? ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/15 "2009-06-04T18:51:55Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > I seem to remember one of the MX’s (MX134??) was listed as the “Girl A-314”. Maybe you should be wearing that instead?? Maybe I should be. I do have it, and have been wearing it to work on a fairly regular basis. But then I noticed that A314 is worn pretty much exclusively by males, yet there is no reason that women can’t wear it also (or is there?). So I thought, why not check it out? I was able to find very few reports of women wearing A314, that mostly indicated that A314 is quite strong for a woman, and needs to be tempered with something. Of course, if I’m going to do this right, I need to wear it unbuffered at first, so that I can notice effects of it that way. Once I’ve done that, then I’ll try buffering it with different things. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/16 "2009-06-04T19:07:20Z")
Well, the major mone in it, Rone is a very male mone. But then again, there are guys wearing cops… ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/17 "2009-06-04T19:10:41Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > Well, the major mone in it, Rone is a very male mone. But then again, there are guys wearing cops… hmm, I thought -rone was okay for girls, but -none is not. Though I’m still somewhat new, and of course still learning 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/18 "2009-06-04T20:06:56Z")
Hey SK, I was under the impression that perhaps you couldn’t get MX134 and hence the test of A314. There has been so much crazieness around the product line for the last several months. As much as I would like to see you testing for testing sake, if the situation is very serious and it sounds like it is, I think you’d be better off sticking to ISa and MX134. One question how much time do you spend in the same room with the people you are trying to influence? ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/19 "2009-06-04T20:31:12Z")
> [@renny](#): > > Hey SK, I was under the impression that perhaps you couldn’t get MX134 and hence the test of A314. There has been so much crazieness around the product line for the last several months. > > As much as I would like to see you testing for testing sake, if the situation is very serious and it sounds like it is, I think you’d be better off sticking to ISa and MX134. > > One question how much time do you spend in the same room with the people you are trying to influence? Actually, MX134 is now MX300, and I was using it successfully at work. Someone sent me a little sample of A314, so then I thought, why not? And it has been used successfully by women, according to the few reports I was able to find. And I guess also I’m feeling so F/U towards my workplace, I almost don’t care how they perceive me anymore, because they seem to be making up their own minds when they don’t even know me. Whats funny is, you probably know me better than they do. They are told BS and crap, that I am this rude, uncaring and selfish person, when anyone who knows me at all, knows that I am one of those people who will do whatever she can for anyone (within reason), and I care very much about anything I put my attention to, I don’t just do things for the sake of doing them. I don’t spend much time around them all, though I may pass within smelling distance maybe once or twice a day (if I have to go to the office to make copies or something) ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555/20 "2009-06-04T20:36:11Z")
Androsterone is often described as a “peaceful alpha mone” and helps impart a mature and fatherly authority. On a woman, I can’t imagine the message it sends: “ah have ah big kahuna sugar daddy at home” so I’m da shit? I know cops on a man have a similar message: “ah have ah big sugar mama at home” so I’m da shit. The other male mone, androstenone, is more aggressive and dangerous. Women, especially gym rat types, actually produce it albeit in lesser quantities than men. I could smell it on a former GF after she worked out. I’m guessing androstenone might be more intimidating than A314/androsterone. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-quickly-does-a314-start-to-show-effects-on-others/29555.md?page=2)