# How to avoid the "friend zone" with Women? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 7, 2009, 3:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-avoid-the-friend-zone-with-women/32240 "2009-09-07T03:26:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 24
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 11:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-avoid-the-friend-zone-with-women/32240/24 "2009-09-07T23:44:36Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > Very true. The problem I used to have was RECOGNIZING that the woman was interested in me. It wouldn’t even cross my mind that they might be attracted to me. After a while of not noticing they just assumed that I wasn’t interested. Then I’d find out through a third person that I’d missed a great opportunity. Now that I know what to look for, things are a lot easier for me to know that a woman is interested. This used to be my problem too. I guess it was a confidence thing - confidence was definitely something I needed to work on, and once I started working on it, my success went through the roof (this was - partly - coupled with me discovering Androtics) what a difference not even two years can make. > [@](#): > > The big problem i am having is avoiding the friend zone. What didn’t help me personally was all the pickup material I read giving vague, general and often cryptic advice: show less interest and attention, don’t be needy, give her the gift of missing you, let her chase, etc, etc. What I didn’t realise is that I was _already_ showing _too little_ interest - I wasn’t turning up with any bait, and after reading PUA material I wasn’t even turning up with a fishing rod. PUA material has helped me a lot, but it took me a long time to internalise it and really _get_ it. I got worse before I got better - I did pretty much instantly remove a lot of self defeating behaviour and gain a basic understanding of female psychology however, so PUA material is something I’d recommend but be weary of how you interpret it at first. Basically to avoid the friend zone (sorry, can’t help with escaping it) when you first meet a girl show her (don’t tell her) that you are interested in her, also demonstrate that you are a friendly enough guy (smile). Eventually during an interaction you have to qualify, in fact I find you have to repeatedly qualify all the way until the start of a relationship – this may sound paradoxical when compared to the ‘baiting’ theory, but really when done correctly, it is baiting. You state what you like about the person and then return to whatever you were talking about before. The guy who finds himself in the friendzone is probably either doing too much qualifying or none at all (as it was in my case), it’s a balancing act – qualifying is baiting. This might help makes things a little clearer: [Under Qualified](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/under-qualified/28847) My final tip is [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) related and is a testament to how much they can enhance how you are perceived (90/10 🙄).When wearing something like Ammo a lot of girls will have a harder time believing that you are interested in her, consequently you may have to bait more than usual, demonstrate more interest - but still not _too_ much. The reason for this - I think - is because a lot of girls perceive you as more being more attractive, higher value, than they perceive themselves to be (even the beautiful, high self esteem girls) Ammo really does seem to make you _very_ attractive in the eyes of a _lot_ of girls, so all I can say is qualify and Kino (Kino could also be considered baiting and qualifying) --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-avoid-the-friend-zone-with-women/32240)._