# How to PROPERLY make ICM (MX301) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 13, 2010, 5:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595 "2010-10-13T17:52:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 10:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/101 "2010-11-29T22:25:17Z")
A drop is a drop, not 20 drops 😕. One post! I suggest you stick with consumer line products for the best results.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![fbh1989](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/59ef9b/32.png) [@fbh1989](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fbh1989)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 11:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/102 "2010-11-29T23:07:28Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > A drop is a drop, not 20 drops 😕. One post! I suggest you stick with consumer line products for the best results.🙂 Thanks for the reply Steve. That’s not what I was saying, I said there are 20 drops per ml of fluid (or .05 mL =1 drop) roughly. This is a somewhat rough (but widely accepted) approximation for the volume of 1 drop. The only reason I am interested in this is because I was trying to determine the volume of each component, and the resulting total volume. All I was pointing out was that you said total volume was half as much as would be expected using the value of .05mL/drop, which made me wonder if that was your error, or if the approximation for a drop size was that far off from actual. Also, please don’t assume just because this is my first post that I’m a complete newbie. I’ve used MX301 in the past with excellent results, otherwise I wouldn’t be spending this amount of money just to try something out. I look forward to your ICM2.0, but it seems like that still might be far out from being released, so I’m being impatient. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 11:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/103 "2010-11-29T23:10:30Z")
I was speaking of one drop from a pipette. Its only rational to assume someone with one post is new 😉. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 11:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/104 "2010-11-29T23:14:37Z")
Also please confirm how this theory of 20 drops per mL is widely accepted and from where. I am very curious where this comes from since I have never seen reference to what a drop is. Wouldn’t that depend on the pipette itself and accordingly most droppers are not uniform. Just interested, that’s all 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![fbh1989](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/59ef9b/32.png) [@fbh1989](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fbh1989)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 11:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/105 "2010-11-29T23:38:06Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Also please confirm how this theory of 20 drops per mL is widely accepted and from where. I am very curious where this comes from since I have never seen reference to what a drop is. Wouldn’t that depend on the pipette itself and accordingly most droppers are not uniform. Just interested, that’s all 🙂 [Drop (unit) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_%28unit%29) Looking at other articles it appears that pipette radius and the fluid’s surface tension are the two main factors in drop size, so you are correct. I assume you used the androtics dropper and the total final volume was a measured value instead of a derived value? If so, that’s all I needed to know. Thanks again for your feedback. ---
**Author:** ![ppHamelin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pphamelin/32/758_2.png) [@ppHamelin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ppHamelin)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 7:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/106 "2010-11-30T07:11:59Z")
Or we can ask AD to make Mx301 a consumer line…and everybody’s happy 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 7:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/107 "2010-11-30T07:14:57Z")
> [@ppHamelin](#): > > Or we can ask AD to make Mx301 a consumer line…and everybody’s happy 😉 Well I won’t take away your dreams 😃 ---
**Author:** ![phissith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@phissith](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phissith)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 8:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/108 "2010-11-30T08:35:54Z")
Steve, Can you tell me again why a widely successful mix like MX301 is outdated and no longer available. And that this forum want to push ahead with newer mixes?? What is the reason behind it is what I am asking. Seemed like a lot of people here love MX301 and I am as sure as hell want one after reading all this posts. Okay let me reiterate the question, I am saying what’s trial and true shouldn’t be pull of the market, and that it being on the shelve does not prevent further research. So I just don’t understand AD approach on this. What ever happen to supply and demand? ---
**Author:** ![jackslater](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jackslater/32/1476_2.png) [@jackslater](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jackslater)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 11:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/109 "2010-11-30T11:53:29Z")
I’d like to hear the answer to that; since I was wondering the same thing. From a purely business stand point…these are possible scenarios… -They are profiting more from selling the mones as separate items. -They are overstocked on the putatives, and want to get rid of some stuff. -They are still running field tests, and haven’t yet developed a name for it yet, or decided on whether or not it is worth adding to the line. -They want to sell more of their current line, before introducing mx301. -They have planned a release, but the release date won’t be until next year; reasons may vary. > [@phissith](#): > > Steve, > > Can you tell me again why a widely successful mix like MX301 is outdated and no longer available. And that this forum want to push ahead with newer mixes?? What is the reason behind it is what I am asking. Seemed like a lot of people here love MX301 and I am as sure as hell want one after reading all this posts. > > Okay let me reiterate the question, I am saying what’s trial and true shouldn’t be pull of the market, and that it being on the shelve does not prevent further research. So I just don’t understand AD approach on this. What ever happen to supply and demand? ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 1:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/110 "2010-11-30T13:37:54Z")
> [@phissith](#): > > Steve, > > Can you tell me again why a widely successful mix like MX301 is outdated and no longer available. And that this forum want to push ahead with newer mixes?? What is the reason behind it is what I am asking. Seemed like a lot of people here love MX301 and I am as sure as hell want one after reading all this posts. > > Okay let me reiterate the question, I am saying what’s trial and true shouldn’t be pull of the market, and that it being on the shelve does not prevent further research. So I just don’t understand AD approach on this. What ever happen to supply and demand? > [@jackslater](#): > > I’d like to hear the answer to that; since I was wondering the same thing. > > From a purely business stand point…these are possible scenarios… > > -They are profiting more from selling the mones as separate items. > -They are overstocked on the putatives, and want to get rid of some stuff. > -They are still running field tests, and haven’t yet developed a name for it yet, or decided on whether or not it is worth adding to the line. > -They want to sell more of their current line, before introducing mx301. > -They have planned a release, but the release date won’t be until next year; reasons may vary. There have been many posts here about the availability of molecules at AD’s disposal. Remember that they use top grade chemicals to synthesize the molecules and does not sacrifice on quality, they also deliver consistent doses and results from all their lines. To do that they have chemists that synthesize these chemicals for them, however, with the US economy being the way it is, there have been rolling blackouts of certain chemicals. We can guess why they won’t make it, or why they won’t mass produce it, but quite frankly, if AD can’t make it, or are saving the resources for something else, then let it be. MX301 (ICM) was made by SteveO, whom if you read also is in development of V2. Do you think SteveO would have come up with a secondary version if he stopped researching and made things better just because he was satisfied with it? Probably not. Look at also the costs. MX301 has about 5-6 molecules, with about 27mcg/spray (going with the old formula) of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). That’s almost double the amount in most of the Instant Lines, and quadruple what is in AMMO. Realistically, some of these are probably more expensive than others so you’re looking at 100-125% more than what the consumer line is going for now. Realistically, if people have a price issue with A314, and it works amazingly well in all facets, do you think people would spend about that much on a 30ml spray? Personally, I like MX301 and I would, but business wise, I highly doubt anyone new would do that. Do I hope it comes back, yeah, I’m almost out. But there is a high probability that it won’t. ---
**Author:** ![jackslater](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jackslater/32/1476_2.png) [@jackslater](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jackslater)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 1:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/111 "2010-11-30T13:46:50Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > There have been many posts here about the availability of molecules at AD’s disposal. Remember that they use top grade chemicals to synthesize the molecules and does not sacrifice on quality, they also deliver consistent doses and results from all their lines. > > To do that they have chemists that synthesize these chemicals for them, however, with the US economy being the way it is, there have been rolling blackouts of certain chemicals. > > We can guess why they won’t make it, or why they won’t mass produce it, but quite frankly, if AD can’t make it, or are saving the resources for something else, **then let it be.** > > MX301 (ICM) was made by SteveO, whom if you read also is in development of V2. Do you think SteveO would have come up with a secondary version if he stopped researching and made things better just because he was satisfied with it? Probably not. > > Look at also the costs. MX301 has about 5-6 molecules, with about 27mcg/spray (going with the old formula) of pheromones. That’s almost double the amount in most of the Instant Lines, and quadruple what is in AMMO. Realistically, some of these are probably more expensive than others so you’re looking at 100-125% more than what the consumer line is going for now. > > Realistically, if people have a price issue with A314, and it works amazingly well in all facets, do you think people would spend about that much on a 30ml spray? Personally, I like MX301 and I would, but business wise, I highly doubt anyone new would do that. > > Do I hope it comes back, yeah, I’m almost out. But there is a high probability that it won’t. Good point. ---
**Author:** ![phissith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@phissith](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phissith)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 2:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/112 "2010-11-30T14:47:22Z")
P51Mustang, In a sense I do see your point. However something that work so well (this thread proves that) there is a market for us: 1. Peeps who are experienced with mones and certain that it exist and work. 2. Wealthy individual who has the money to spare and also know that mones just works. So, I am not sure how much it was selling for but just as you compare A314 to all other lower cost mones, ones can say that this product is another tier up, a high-end product so to speak. Whats works will always be in demands IMO. Also that is why AD have double money back guarantee after all, isn’t it? I am not here trying to hard handle (force AD, not that I can) in to producing it, I am just curious as to why it discontinued and why there is encouragement to push forward. For better of word, I want my cake and eat it too? I want to have MX301 in my arsenal and still further the research on the mixed. There is no harm in that right? Steve have success with MX301 doesn’t at all stop him from going for 2.0, so the same argument can be said for the rest of us. However I really have no place to say that as I have not done enough mixed of my own. I am just stating the obvious which is, the product works! I like to benefit from (Giant like Steve) Steve trials who had gone before me (isn’t that also one of the reason for this forum). Sure I know it must cost him and other here a lot of money but I don’t think you are saying that you guys want to hoard the knowledge you’ve attained and keep the inexperience at bay and fend for themselves right? Anyway, you have good point, the mix is not very efficient as it require extremely high dosage, also if AD is in low supply that too I can understand. But the way it was post “MX301 is outdated and old, move on with newer line” did not settle well with me hence the question. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 4:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/113 "2010-11-30T16:01:23Z")
> [@phissith](#): > > P51Mustang, > > In a sense I do see your point. However something that work so well (this thread proves that) there is a market for us: > > 1. Peeps who are experienced with mones and certain that it exist and work. > > 2. Wealthy individual who has the money to spare and also know that mones just works. > > So, I am not sure how much it was selling for but just as you compare A314 to all other lower cost mones, ones can say that this product is another tier up, a high-end product so to speak. > > Whats works will always be in demands IMO. Also that is why AD have double money back guarantee after all, isn’t it? > > I am not here trying to hard handle (force AD, not that I can) in to producing it, I am just curious as to why it discontinued and why there is encouragement to push forward. For better of word, I want my cake and eat it too? I want to have MX301 in my arsenal and still further the research on the mixed. There is no harm in that right? > > Steve have success with MX301 doesn’t at all stop him from going for 2.0, so the same argument can be said for the rest of us. However I really have no place to say that as I have not done enough mixed of my own. I am just stating the obvious which is, the product works! I like to benefit from (Giant like Steve) Steve trials who had gone before me (isn’t that also one of the reason for this forum). > > Sure I know it must cost him and other here a lot of money but I don’t think you are saying that you guys want to hoard the knowledge you’ve attained and keep the inexperience at bay and fend for themselves right? > > Anyway, you have good point, the mix is not very efficient as it require extremely high dosage, also if AD is in low supply that too I can understand. But the way it was post “MX301 is outdated and old, move on with newer line” did not settle well with me hence the question. You do have valid points. I just tried to reason with you and give you a cliff notes version of what I’ve read here in the past. Plain and simple, AD won’t make it anymore because they’re looking at other options and other mixes and after all they are a research company at the end of the day. Also for the wealthier clients, they can go ahead and buy the neccesary molecules to make and composite MX301 and they’ll be all set, it’s more cost efficient that way as well. ---
**Author:** ![jackslater](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jackslater/32/1476_2.png) [@jackslater](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jackslater)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 11:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/114 "2010-11-30T23:11:26Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Also for the wealthier clients, they can go ahead and buy the neccesary molecules to make and composite MX301 and they’ll be all set, it’s more cost efficient that way as well. As I said earlier, it’s all about money. ---
**Author:** ![phissith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@phissith](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phissith)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 7:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/115 "2010-12-01T07:01:11Z")
We will never know but who cares, beggar can’t be chooser. I have just place my very first order with AD. Although I meant to qualify for ordering $60 plus for free S&H. But I made a mistake and used a 500 point toward $5 off so my order is $57 plus $6 for S&H. By the time I know about it I was too late!! So here I go trying to save little bit of money by using the point ended costing me more lol!! Such is my life! Off topic here but I went to Air and Space Muesium here in D.C today and there is a meter that I must load up, ask the local if I could park here he said “Sure its almost 5 pm so you are fine” I was looking for change in my car found a whole bunch, remember the guy said after 5 pm its free. So I stood there looking at my clock its 4:30 pm so 4 quarters will buy me 30 mins, I am fine and walk away even though I had read the sign writting on the meter that said contrary to the local guy after 6:30 pm its free. Not sure why I couldn’t put two and two together, should have caught myself to think that I should trust the sign on the meter not the local. So I came back and got hit with $25 parking fine. All I had to do was pay 8 quarters more which I had in my car and I would have been cover. Guess it was one of those day when I just have to loose money for dump reasons. Anyhow, I have ordered AP314, AMMO, IS and TUTH. All to go bottle of course. Will be posting my result. P51Mustang was the one who give me the final push to go ahead and buy these. Not sure how long togo will last but definately will buy more if the product is better than what I am using now. I can tell you that the first thing I’ll do is try your pattern P51. After that will do with experimenting my sweet spot one by one. Thanks everyone for the support. Wish me good luck!! ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 12:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/116 "2010-12-01T12:28:18Z")
> [@jackslater](#): > > As I said earlier, it’s all about money. Not really, you’re still looking at close to 500 bucks worth of stuff. Plus some of the molecules are OOS. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 12:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/117 "2010-12-01T12:34:04Z")
> [@jackslater](#): > > I’d like to hear the answer to that; since I was wondering the same thing. > > From a purely business stand point…these are possible scenarios… > > -They are profiting more from selling the mones as separate items. > -They are overstocked on the putatives, and want to get rid of some stuff. > -They are still running field tests, and haven’t yet developed a name for it yet, or decided on whether or not it is worth adding to the line. > -They want to sell more of their current line, before introducing mx301. > -They have planned a release, but the release date won’t be until next year; reasons may vary. I’m guessing that you were referring to this. Putatives, for the most part, are sold at a loss. AD makes most of their money from the Instant/A314 lines and that’s used to fund the research project (experimones, putatives) Most RU’s are given a discount and there is an even bigger price drop for them. The price I gave you is a non-ru pricing, which for some molecules, again are sold at a loss. ---
**Author:** ![jackslater](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jackslater/32/1476_2.png) [@jackslater](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jackslater)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 1:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/118 "2010-12-01T13:28:39Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > I’m guessing that you were referring to this. > > Putatives, for the most part, are sold at a loss. > > AD makes most of their money from the Instant/A314 lines and that’s used to fund the research project (experimones, putatives) > > Most RU’s are given a discount and there is an even bigger price drop for them. > > The price I gave you is a non-ru pricing, which for some molecules, again are sold at a loss. I’ll have to step away from this discussion, as it seems to just be turning into a “who’s more right” argument. If neither of us are the owners of AD, than we really have no valid arguments to begin with. It’s meaningless to discuss this matter any further. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 2:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/119 "2010-12-01T14:29:45Z")
> [@jackslater](#): > > I’ll have to step away from this discussion, as it seems to just be turning into a “who’s more right” argument. > > If neither of us are the owners of AD, than we really have no valid arguments to begin with. > > It’s meaningless to discuss this matter any further. I’m not saying who’s right or not. I’m was trying to be nice instead of telling you “go search John Sebastian and Jasmin’s posts” and I gave you a truncated version of what’s been going on with AD (that they publish) and the forum (what I’ve read) over the last 4-5 months. I wasn’t going to get into a pissing contest with you, I was simply trying to state what’s already in the forum. ---
**Author:** ![jackslater](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jackslater/32/1476_2.png) [@jackslater](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jackslater)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595/120 "2010-12-01T20:54:42Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > I’m not saying who’s right or not. > > I’m was trying to be nice instead of telling you “go search John Sebastian and Jasmin’s posts” and I gave you a truncated version of what’s been going on with AD (that they publish) and the forum (what I’ve read) over the last 4-5 months. > > I wasn’t going to get into a pissing contest with you, I was simply trying to state what’s already in the forum. NO prob. 🆒 I just don’t know enough about the business relations AD. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595.md?page=5) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595.md?page=7)